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i don't think cancer will ever be cured
    #19276956 - 12/14/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

in the sense that there will be a pill or some magical treatment that basically puts it on the shelf next to polio.

cancer is a by product of our current civilization. the only way we will be able to solve these entropic problems is by ceasing the causes, not by merely trying to abate the symptoms.

seems to me that if it is true that our technological progression is causing more problems on an epidemic level then that same system is not going to produce a cure without first either recognizing the causes and stopping them, or making those technologies obsolete through more advanced technologies.

yes, we can look at the physiological cause of cancer as being a retarded self replicating cell that has a party in one or more organs... but surely the last 50 years has seen a tremendous spike in the amount of cancer. I also don't think it is merely "well we have better machines that can detect it so therefor we see more".

I believe our technological advances, be it through GMO's, 24/7 bombardment of all sorts of waves, increasing life expectancy or a latent subconscious desire to be a luddite are one of the possible causes of a spike in cancer and if any of that is true, there will be no pill, only a massive awareness campaign to stop doing X,Y or Z.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis] * 2
    #19277037 - 12/14/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

just live long enough and - cancer.  But lifestyle for sure, emotional and physical very likely both will have an effect.  I made it over 60. That's pretty amazing really. But from this point on the quality of life will likely (is) decline dramatically.  Living long without some sort of miracle drug to reintroduce youth into the aging body is a sad deal.

Sad I say. :curbyourenthusiasm:

Fucking sad. :haha:

Laughably sad. :nicesmile:


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
    #19277073 - 12/14/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If your erection persists for more than four hours, see your doctor - or nurse! See Alice.



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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 2
    #19277267 - 12/15/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so you have just relegated yourself to sustaining your own OTD in this corner of PSP?


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #19279080 - 12/15/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so if you got cancer you would be fine with just smoking weed?


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19279103 - 12/15/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Eventually we'll take every disease and disorder out of the human genome. So I think that you're right in a way, but that the way in which you're right will become irrelevant over time.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: robbyberto]
    #19279230 - 12/15/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

not all diseases are genetic...

and changing the genome to create resistance or immunity isn't exactly a zero sum. People with the genetic disorder sickle cell anemia cannot contract malaria, but not really sure which one is worse to have. they can cure malaria, they can't really cure sickle cell anemia. while malaria can be deadly, SCA isn't really great to have with its assortment of complications.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19280316 - 12/15/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Non-genetic diseases can almost always be cured or at least dealt with, however. In order to be effective a non-genetic disease can't be too virulent or deadly or also it will kill its host too quickly to spread.  This is why humanity wasn't wiped out by the plague. But you are correct.

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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: robbyberto]
    #19281008 - 12/15/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't believe cancer is genetic. At best there are genetic markers that might make you more susceptible to certain types of cancer, but ultimately that is my point: cancer is neither intrinsic nor extrinsic (which almost all diseases fall into) but rather a by product of technological advancements.

The studies that explore cancer as a genetic disease only show correlation at best. Just because women whose mothers had breast cancer are more likely to get breast cancer does not in any way show that it is genetic.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19281022 - 12/15/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Good point! Cancer is a real bitch!


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: robbyberto]
    #19281045 - 12/15/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It may not be, but you just gotta hope. Cancer really sucks, I've seen my best friends mom slowly die because of it, now my mom has it. D:


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: TakeItBreezy]
    #19281260 - 12/15/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wish someone would try to make cancer statistics, ignoring physical factors like race, diet, etc and focus solely on Non-physical variable like location, lifestyle, etc.

Like check these charts out http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/data/state.htm?mobile=nocontent

Why would there be patterns to cancer rates and cancer mortality rates if it had to do with genetics? If you drew a circle in the middle of the country, what could you say those areas have in common other than being adjacent? It isn't like healthcare is generally worse in the center of the US. The first thing I think about when I see the second map is the worst states are furthest from the oceans. Now that is stupid right? What would cancer have to do with your proximity to an ocean? I have no idea, but it isn't so ridiculous that things like it shouldn't be investigated.

The problem is that there is no study done anymore into areas that won't turn up findings that can ultimately be made profitable and/ or controllable.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19281281 - 12/15/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I will figure this out for you just let me get my amp script.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: TakeItBreezy]
    #19281491 - 12/15/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It may not be, but you just gotta hope. Cancer really sucks, I've seen my best friends mom slowly die because of it, now my mom has it. D:




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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19283612 - 12/16/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

cancer is more often than not a direct result of one's diet. the human species didn't start getting diseases like cancer, heart disease, stroke, and bone disease until we started eating the flesh of animals. our bodies were not made to, and that is precisely why the human body, after a certain point, is seemingly guaranteed to just start showing signs of serious illness. it's who we're eating.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Blau]
    #19283620 - 12/16/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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until we started eating the flesh of animals.




We've always eaten the flesh of animals. Look in the mirror at your teeth. See the two sharp ones? Their designed for tearing apart meat.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Blau]
    #19283642 - 12/16/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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cancer is more often than not a direct result of one's diet. the human species didn't start getting diseases like cancer, heart disease, stroke, and bone disease until we started eating the flesh of animals. our bodies were not made to, and that is precisely why the human body, after a certain point, is seemingly guaranteed to just start showing signs of serious illness. it's who we're eating.




bless your heart child... i bet you think Gluten causes allergies and vaccines cause autism...


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19283672 - 12/16/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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until we started eating the flesh of animals.




We've always eaten the flesh of animals. Look in the mirror at your teeth. See the two sharp ones? Their designed for tearing apart meat.




that's a pretty common misconception. canine teeth are something pretty exclusive to mammals; ungulates, primates, hippos, and pretty much every other mammal with the exception of animals like rabbits and rats have canines. if you want to compare your canines with that of, say, a lion's, why not also compare them to that of a gorilla? or the fangs on a horse? humans are not carnivorous by nature, and there's more than enough evidence to suggest that we are herbivorous animals. it's what our bodies tell us. this is science.

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cancer is more often than not a direct result of one's diet. the human species didn't start getting diseases like cancer, heart disease, stroke, and bone disease until we started eating the flesh of animals. our bodies were not made to, and that is precisely why the human body, after a certain point, is seemingly guaranteed to just start showing signs of serious illness. it's who we're eating.




bless your heart child... i bet you think Gluten causes allergies and vaccines cause autism...




i don't think there's a pretty large percentage of the population allergic to gluten, so no? i'm not sure how these things correlate to how the human diet decides our quality of life.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Blau]
    #19283770 - 12/16/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The war against microbes is futile. The inevitable result zombie apocolypse with me and Janus Prospero chick from resident evil the last hope of humanity.


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