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lessismore
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
#19250195 - 12/09/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechimp said: Ok so ive never had that heavy mind bending trip til last winter. Ive taken high does of lsd,mdma, candy flipped, but never had that mickey mouse dancing in the corner type of trip til last winter. Last winter I finally got the urge to take the big dose. Im unsure of how much it was at the time(fucking stupid), but I ate everything I had dryed and everything that was drying on my plate. It was a large handful and filled up one of my cheeks like a chipmunk. Dont start flaming me i realize how stupid this was looking back. I would guess it was way over the 5 gram mark. As i was coming up I started having anxiety.....chest tightening and waves of energy that started at my toes and moved all the way up my whole body. I could handle that though. I would just slowly take some deep breaths and slowly it would go away and i could handle it. The peek of the experience, now this was another thing. I would go through parts of this trip in complete Ecstasy and complete terror. There were times in my trip when i would have to talk myself down telling myself its just the drug, your not going to die, just hang on for a few hours. There were things i did to to calm down but they didnt work. I took a shower, and the whole shower was curved like i was standing in a submarine. Then I stared at the bathmat for 30 minutes watching the patterns wiz by. I also went for a walk, that didnt really work either. The field in front of me had all these octagon patterns in it. Every other one had light shining out of it like light was coming out of the ground and going to the heavens. I also tried to laying down on my bed and closing my eyes. I felt like I was sinking in quick sand. I opened my eyes and my guitars neck looked like a wet noodle swaying back and forth. The come was a great relief. I did have a hell of and afterglow. I tried to just "let go" during my experience, but i couldn't. How do you guys let go or avoid the anxiety during heavy dosing. Ive wanted to go deeper into the experience, but im sorta gun shy since then. The largest dose ive taken since then has been 2 grams. Ive taken large doses of lsd and it never took me for a ride like this. I thought i was well prepared with my past dabbling.....guess i wasn't.
Such a long post, you got a lot of thoughts there ;-) just relax, dont fear your mind, lock doors, hide phone, know your dose http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18561673 that will help give good trips 99% of the time if you know what set,setting,dose means lay down, lots of lights on I prefer, psytrance
my dose seems to be 4g chocolates max, can be pretty intense, so intense I only want to do it every 3 years maybe :-) I prefer 3-3.5g chocolates or so
btw chocolates remove all anxiety, only good trips, since no nausea/sickness etc. usually get sick a little with any other method of eating them, which distracts from the trip
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: stellarshnap] 1
#19250200 - 12/09/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'll usually chant some mantras, or sing a song. Also i tell myself to relax, to let go, that everything will be okay. I then start to relax each, and every msucle starting with my toes, slowly working up to my head. Then just do some breathing exercises. usually balances me right out. If worse comes to worst, i take a benzo.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Legend]
#19250251 - 12/09/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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First thing to do is realize what is putting you down then change it. Otherwise, do what I have been doing since ayahuasca took me, embrace it. I now quite enjoy a good bad trip now and then. Because that's what a true tripper appreciates in his journey, knowledge and perspective.
To put it in broader terms, I will turn on some tunes, preferrably in headphones to simplify my world, or go for a walk. If I can't do those things either someone needs to go or I need to realize it's part of the experience I was granted. A bad trip, or a stressful one, can be a beautiful thing.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: larry.fisherman]
#19279433 - 12/15/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dont think ive ever had a bad trip per se. Just overwhelming and a little to much to take in at that moment.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
#19279562 - 12/15/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I stretch and do some 1/2 ass'd yoga.

It's great. The 'pain' is transformed into something else. I can hold poses, or just hamstring stretches, for much longer...
Some of the yoga poses are strenuous, so you're burning off some anxious energy as well.
You're grounding yourself, hopefully, in your body. But basically, nothing is going to help if you aren't paying attention to set and setting before taking handfuls (or platefuls) of drugs.
For instance, I would never walk outside, tripping face.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp] 1
#19279581 - 12/15/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A lot of the posts before have already mentioned the things I like to do: meditation, mantras, accepting the state, etc..
Another thing I like to do is sing! I put on one of my favorite songs, and sing along. No matter how weird my voice sounds, singing always makes me feel better. Krystle Cole AKA Neurosoup suggests this as well, and it seems to work for me!
The one thing that ALWAYS works for me, however, is putting on some Phish. I like putting on a funky Phish recording and jam out, because nothing makes me want to groove while I'm tripping more than Phish.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: MindDrips]
#19279917 - 12/15/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find eating some sugar helps with anxiety - lucozade or chocolate are very good.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: MushroomBilly]
#19281218 - 12/15/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You have to dance and touch other people.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
#19281587 - 12/15/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Watch funny things, have cigs and sometimes good beer. Otherwise I embrace the chaos
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#19281592 - 12/15/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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smoke a lil ganj
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: rickjamez20]
#19282208 - 12/16/13 02:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I once squashed a bad trip by picturing a fat man dressed in striped pyjamas, shirt tucked into his chest high pants and dancing to Peter Bjorn and John's second chance while holding an umbrella in the rain, worked a treat. Failing that chant. If all else fails....yes benzo's
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: octopus]
#19282403 - 12/16/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Benzos never fail. Sometimes all the dancing, chanting and stretching in the world don't help.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: SuperSillyUs]
#19282635 - 12/16/13 07:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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houseplants, pets
and a walk in nature on the comedown always
lots of lights in the room, psytrance
just observe the houseplants :-P , for 12hrs lol and my birds make any trip good, always take them out when tripping, they come flying onto my head
also my #1 rule, no other drugs when tripping, + dose high no anxiety if dosing high enough
eat healthily on the day etc., just listen to psytrance and observe nature, that can be a pretty nice trip and draw while listening to psytrance / play guitar etc. (guitar is very hard when mindfucked, but drawing is possible on the comedown)
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: lessismore]
#19283176 - 12/16/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Takes practise to let go completely. We get comfortable with a certain threshold and let go easily as long as we are still in that comfort zone. Once you get blasted out to a place you haven't been before- it's just best to try as hard as you can and keep diffusing various mind-mines before things get nasty over time- you learn to let go even in the most intense experience. Personally, I have taken about 7 grams at most. It was so intense that I couldn't even choose to let go- I was just ripped from whatever I was holding onto and it happened so fast that I didn't even get to feel the anxiety and fear. I'm very sensitive to drugs. I noticed I usually have double effects from average doses when compared to other people. So you might as well say I took about 14 grams I don't even remember the experience that much anymore. Just some highlights
But I've found that I enjoy small doses most because that has allowed me to virtually eliminate the dose-related anxiety. Not because I don't trip as hard- I actually trip very hard. The funny thing I've found in my own experience with psychedelics is that you don't have to train to attain a mind that can live through an intense level 5 trip. There's a much more subtle way of reaching level 5 (the so called 'enlightenment experience'). I think that thinking you just need a LOT of the drug to experience this is a complete misconception born of a collective consumptive mentality and how we are used to treat other drugs that don't affect consciousness. Yes, you're dragged deeper- but your mind isn't necessarily ready to function on that intensity. That's when things get nasty. I have been experimenting with small doses and came to a delightful conclusion:
You can learn to trip. But not in the sense of "letting go" when things get rough (that's more a coping technique for specific trip situation) or set and setting (more of optimising vibes)- no no no. Rather on a much more subtle level. All you really need is a small dose and try to sort of "sink" into the experience via various thought patterns, meditation sessions, concentration exercises. You sort of have to become sensitive to the flow of the experience. It's hard to put into words and of course, one has to have experienced and become familiar with how the depths of a psychedelic experience can be. But there's a way to get so deep into the experience without monstrous doses that you actually start tripping very hard and yes, you can reach level 5 that way. And it becomes an incredibly serene experience.
The hallucination are different in such experiences as well. Most people only tend to value full blown hallucination that seem separate from this world or too obscurely connected for us to notice, when I'm much more intrigued and delighted by the subtle visual hallucination of shifting perspective, change in detail, beginning to see patterns and compositions in ordinary things. At some point you become so sensitive to psychedelics that you only need a very very small dose and you will have a completely normal trip but the best part is- it is completely non-overwhelming, safe, serene and beautiful.
So do NOT overestimate the power of dose and underestimate the power of yourself. By all means, learning to dose right, how to behave in certain unexpected trip-situations, how to make your surroundings safer and pleasant. But the most important part is learning how to ride that psychedelic wave, how to enhance your senses to the experience. If you do that- you'll virtually never have to deal with the anxiety again. In my own case- I am an anxious person. I can't get around that. I just tend to worry much. And people say that if you're kinda of a worrier and you're in a rough patch in life- don't trip. I say on the contrary! Take a small dose, lay on your couch and ride it some of my best trips where like that.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
#19283197 - 12/16/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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MotherNaturesSon said: Takes practise to let go completely. We get comfortable with a certain threshold and let go easily as long as we are still in that comfort zone. Once you get blasted out to a place you haven't been before- it's just best to try as hard as you can and keep diffusing various mind-mines before things get nasty over time- you learn to let go even in the most intense experience. Personally, I have taken about 7 grams at most. It was so intense that I couldn't even choose to let go- I was just ripped from whatever I was holding onto and it happened so fast that I didn't even get to feel the anxiety and fear. I'm very sensitive to drugs. I noticed I usually have double effects from average doses when compared to other people. So you might as well say I took about 14 grams I don't even remember the experience that much anymore. Just some highlights
But I've found that I enjoy small doses most because that has allowed me to virtually eliminate the dose-related anxiety. Not because I don't trip as hard- I actually trip very hard. The funny thing I've found in my own experience with psychedelics is that you don't have to train to attain a mind that can live through an intense level 5 trip. There's a much more subtle way of reaching level 5 (the so called 'enlightenment experience'). I think that you just need a LOT of the drug to experience it is a misconception. Yes, you're dragged deeper- but your mind isn't necessarily ready to function on that intensity. That's when things get nasty. I have been experimenting with small doses and came to a delightful conclusion:
You can learn to trip. But not in the sense of "letting go" when things get rough (that's more a coping technique for specific trip situation) or set and setting (more of optimising vibes)- no no no. Rather on a much more subtle level. All you really need is a small dose and try to sort of "sink" into the experience via various thought patterns, meditation sessions, concentration exercises. You sort of have to become sensitive to the flow of the experience. It's hard to put into words and of course, one has to have experienced and become familiar with how the depths of a psychedelic experience can be. But there's a way to get so deep into the experience without monstrous doses that you actually start tripping very hard and yes, you can reach level 5 that way. And it becomes an incredibly serene experience.
The hallucination are different in such experiences as well. Most people only tend to value full blown hallucination that seem separate from this world or too obscurely connected for us to notice, when I'm much more intrigued and delighted by the subtle visual hallucination of shifting perspective, change in detail, beginning to see patterns and compositions in ordinary things. At some point you become so sensitive to psychedelics that you only need a very very small dose and you will have a completely normal trip but the best part is- it is completely non-overwhelming, safe, serene and beautiful.
So do NOT overestimate the power of dose and underestimate the power of yourself. By all means, learning to dose right, how to behave in certain unexpected trip-situations, how to make your surroundings safer and pleasant. But the most important part is learning how to ride that psychedelic wave, how to enhance your senses to the experience. If you do that- you'll virtually never have to deal with the anxiety again. In my own case- I am an anxious person. I can't get around that. I just tend to worry much. And people say that if you're kinda of a worrier and you're in a rough patch in life- don't trip. I say on the contrary! Take a small dose, lay on your couch and ride it some of my best trips where like that.
 Great post, the older I get the lower the dose I need to take to get to those transcendent moments, it really is about learning how to explore the mind while on psychedelics, and not so much the taking of obscene doses.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
#19283212 - 12/16/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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RiparianZoneJunky said:
 Great post, the older I get the lower the dose I need to take to get to those transcendent moments, it really is about learning how to explore the mind while on psychedelics, and not so much the taking of obscene doses. 
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: SuperSillyUs]
#19283227 - 12/16/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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SuperSillyUs said: Benzos never fail. Sometimes all the dancing, chanting and stretching in the world don't help.
what you said.. a little Xanax goes a LONG way.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: avarrin]
#19283315 - 12/16/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The best way to handle anxiety: let go and fall into the experience. You most likely feel anxiety because you are not fully allowing your mind and your body to be engulfed by the trip. Once you embrace the experience, everything becomes much better.
But also, remember that tripping is heaven and hell. It isn't guaranteed to be a great ride. Psilocybin definitely oscillates between waves of heavenly ecstasy and some dark feeling places. This is probably the draw of tripping to many people. After weathering out such a strong experience, it can make someone's personality so much more strengthened, or for some people, it can really break them and they can enter depersonalization.
It's all in your head.... hahaha
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: RickyJ]
#19283405 - 12/16/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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RickyJ said: The best way to handle anxiety: let go and fall into the experience. You most likely feel anxiety because you are not fully allowing your mind and your body to be engulfed by the trip. Once you embrace the experience, everything becomes much better.
But also, remember that tripping is heaven and hell. It isn't guaranteed to be a great ride. Psilocybin definitely oscillates between waves of heavenly ecstasy and some dark feeling places. This is probably the draw of tripping to many people. After weathering out such a strong experience, it can make someone's personality so much more strengthened, or for some people, it can really break them and they can enter depersonalization.
It's all in your head.... hahaha
Yeah letting go is really the only way to deal with anxiety: complete and utter submission to the experience, good and bad. As long as you are fighting the negative emotions and evil visions, you will get the fear. Once you learn to stare down your ugliest, darkest visions with acceptance love and courage you'll never have anxiety during a trip again, and that mental fortitude will serve you well in sober life.
And of course benzos will abort the experience, but that's not dealing with the anxiety, that's chemically chasing it away, I will take some at the end of a trip just to be able to fall asleep instead of dealing with the unpleasant jitteryness of the afterglow, but taking them during the trip seems counterproductive, either choose to trip or not, don't bail out half way in. Another way to ensure little to no anxiety is to hippy flip, too high a dose of MDMA and you just start rolling and the visuals all but disappear, but if you take a super light dose of molly with a high dose of shrooms the visuals turn to pure coruscating diamond light and your headspace is pure joy and euphoria without any of the dark side of the mushrooms. Some would say that is cheating, and in some ways it is, but it's certainly an experience worth trying a few times.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
#19283434 - 12/16/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ride it out.
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