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Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study * 3
    #19283125 - 12/16/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well... this (if true) would certainly help explain the stupidity of so many.


Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study

The habit of smoking pot during teen years causes long-term brain damage, according to a Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine study.

Two years after young adults (early twenties) quit smoking marijuana, researchers found changes in the sub-cortical regions of their brains associated with memory and reasoning, indicating the long-term effects of chronic use. They were also found to perform poorly on memory tests.

"The study links the chronic use of marijuana to these concerning brain abnormalities that appear to last for at least a few years after people stop using it," Matthew Smith, an assistant research professor in psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and lead study author, said in a press release. "With the movement to decriminalize marijuana, we need more research to understand its effect on the brain."

According to Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, the marijuana usage by teens, aged 12 to 17, was reduced to 9.5 percent last year from almost 12 percent in 2002. These figures are predicted to increase due to the legalization of marijuana, allowing more access to underage smokers.

For the study, Smith's team compared MRI scans of a controlled group (44) with 10 people with cannabis use disorder, 15 with cannabis use disorder and a diagnosis of schizophrenia, and 28 with schizophrenia but no reported use of marijuana in the past.

The participants, who were aged mid-20s at the time of the testing, had been heavy users as teens.

Through the MRI scans, the researchers found that heavy users displayed abnormalities in all the three brain regions (striatum, thalamus and globus pallidus), irrespective of whether they had schizophrenic disorder or not. The volume of the thalamus was found greatly reduced in heavy users.

Then the participants were asked to undertake four memory tests, like recollecting a sequence of numbers. Heavy users fared badly than healthy controls and non-using schizophrenics.

"The abuse of popular street drugs, such as marijuana, may have dangerous implications for young people who are developing or have developed mental disorders," said co-senior study author John Csernansky, M.D., chair of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and Northwestern Memorial Hospital. "This paper is among the first to reveal that the use of marijuana may contribute to the changes in brain structure that have been associated with having schizophrenia."

The finding has been published Monday in the journal Schizophrenia Bulletin.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 2
    #19283181 - 12/16/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Basically this article says:

Don't do anything even remotely dangerous because you will be damaged permanently.

Let's all just sit at home, shut up, be extremely careful, and don't attempt anything dangerous at all and we will 'live' til we're 100.

Yea, right.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 10
    #19283187 - 12/16/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I take everything with a grain of salt when it comes to studies like these. But I'll be honest, this does not really surprise me. I'm no neuroscientist, so I'd never start lecturing someone on the long term effects of marijuana, I simply do not know enough about the brain. Either way, it seems ridiculously naive to believe that smoking marijuana everyday, several times a day, isn't going to cause SOME change. I'm not necessarily saying itll cause damage, but come on, your CONSTANTLY exposing your brain to a psychoactive compound, do people really believe that won't effect their brain.

I'm sure I'll get shit for this post, I'm up for a good debate though. Personally, I love marijuana and I'd love to smoke it everyday, but I don't, partially because it does mess with my memory, I notice it especially when in school, and also because I just think absuing a substance every single day is not wise. But, I believe people should have the right to smoke everyday if they'd like, I've got friends who do, I don't lecure them. I just personally just to keep my smoking to only once or twice a week :shrug:


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: OliverJames] * 5
    #19283220 - 12/16/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm calling shenanigans.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 11
    #19283269 - 12/16/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
These figures are predicted to increase due to the legalization of marijuana, allowing more access to underage smokers.





:notcoolman:

Go and ask any teenager what is harder for them to get, alcohol or weed.

Almost all of them will say alcohol.

Drug dealers dont card people.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: NotTheDevil] * 5
    #19283286 - 12/16/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I hate this article. And, I am sensing that they are on the opposite side of legalization. :rolleyes:

Cannabis fucks with your memory... we already knew that. And I swear I saw a news post pretty recently that said marijuana not linked to schizophrenia?

Are they really hoping these studies will prevent cannabis from being legalized? Let us look at 2 drugs that are legal, like alcohol and tobacco. All of their studies must have concluded that they have no negative effects. :doublefacepalm:


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: LSDreams] * 1
    #19283323 - 12/16/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They didn't explain at all how cannabis use changes the brain.  I want to know exactly how cannabis alters neurophysiology.  It seems that all the negative hype about cannabis never shows their work in how they draw conclusions.  I think mj is good, via proof of contradiction.  If mj increased suffering, people wouldn't use it.  Fact is I've only seen someone who sits at home smoking all day, a little more nuerotic.  It helps to toke in the woods.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #19283360 - 12/16/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If mj increased suffering, people wouldn't use it.




Then they would say something along the lines of: "well the people cant stop using it because it is so dangerously addictive" :ancientaliens:


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: Morel Guy] * 2
    #19283414 - 12/16/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If mj increased suffering, people wouldn't use it.




This, children, is an example of an illogical statement.  There are many substances that increase suffering, people still use them.  Marijuana is not a wonder-drug, it has caused suffering in some people's lives. 

With that said, the issue of legalization should not be centered around an argument of 'safe/unsafe'.  There is an infinite number of ways that people can damage their bodies and their brains without drugs.  As human beings, we should have the freedom to do what we want with our bodies and our minds.  Additionally, we should have the prudence to research the effects of our actions in order to make informed decisions.  Studies like this (if conducted in good faith, without bias) are great, but they are not an argument for (or against) legalizing drug use.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: rawrrawr]
    #19283469 - 12/16/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Smoking weed daily does clog up the synapses of ur brain since THC is so lipophilic (dissolves in fat easily). This does effect memory and other cognitive functions but it does clear up with time. I wouldn't say it damages ur brain, it inhibits it's maximum potential. It's not nearly as bad as alcohol tho


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: rawrrawr]
    #19283472 - 12/16/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was actually going to say exactly what you said at first, but didnt feel like picking on anybody. :lol:


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: LSDreams]
    #19283508 - 12/16/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The habit of smoking pot during teen years causes long-term brain damage, according to a Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine study.




I think abusing any drug during the teen years is not good for a developing brain. Yet they shove adderall and ritalin down kids throats like it's nothing.

I tend to ignore articles like this. It's obvious what their agenda is. I know enough successful and well adjusted potheads to not worry about these "dangerous" long term effects.

I wasn't a "heavy user" till 19 and the brain scans I had at 22 showed absolutely no abnormalities. I've also used mdma which supposedly puts holes in your brain and I had no holes...

Propaganda. Obviously 14 year olds shouldn't be smoking pot but it's going to happen.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: rawrrawr]
    #19283524 - 12/16/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I believe this could be possible to some degree, however probably not to the extent they are making it out to be. Chronic daily use of any substance is going to have an impact on the mind and brain while it is developing.

But, on the other hand, there isnt much information on the study I could find. I would like to see how they controlled for things like consumption of nicotine, alcohol, and other drugs. Also, how did they concretely confirm that marijuana use caused these issues, and that they were not present before hand. It is possible that these people were predisposed to to addictive behaviours?


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: LSDreams]
    #19283527 - 12/16/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This article doesn't provide any real evidence for its claims, or even make a real point :P. Of course its going to have an effect on your brain, most things you put in your body will, but weed causing brain damage and mental disorders are things that have already been scientifically debunked. It may be habit forming but again, many things are, eating burgers can be habit forming, its not physically addictive and I agree that it effects your memory, but as this is not a long term effect, and its not severe anyway. This study annoys me because it seems like these people are making large assumptions without any actual in-depth research.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: DylanOM]
    #19283537 - 12/16/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Doesn't suprise me.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: Can-i-bus] * 2
    #19283572 - 12/16/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

temporary changes to brain chemistry caused by the introduction of a drug ≠ permanent destruction of brain cells (aka, brain damage)

also, the studies used people in the 20s who had started using in their teens--a ten year time frame, max--yet has the audacity to say that the effects carry on for life? Not sure how "brain abnormalities that appear to last for at least a few years after people stop using it" leads one to the sensationalist headline of "marijuana damages brain for life".

though, I think this is more a case of shitty scientific reporting on the side of the university herald, than with the study itself. here is a press release from the researchers that is much more reasonable:

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Heavy marijuana users have abnormal brain structure and poor memory

Drug abuse appears to foster brain changes that resemble schizophrenia

CHICAGO --- Teens who were heavy marijuana users -- smoking it daily for about three years -- had abnormal changes in their brain structures related to working memory and performed poorly on memory tasks, reports a new Northwestern Medicine® study.

A poor working memory predicts poor academic performance and everyday functioning.

The brain abnormalities and memory problems were observed during the individuals' early twenties, two years after they stopped smoking marijuana, which could indicate the long-term effects of chronic use. Memory-related structures in their brains appeared to shrink and collapse inward, possibly reflecting a decrease in neurons.

The study also shows the marijuana-related brain abnormalities are correlated with a poor working memory performance and look similar to schizophrenia-related brain abnormalities. Over the past decade, Northwestern scientists, along with scientists at other institutions, have shown that changes in brain structure may lead to changes in the way the brain functions.

This is the first study to target key brain regions in the deep subcortical gray matter of chronic marijuana users with structural MRI and to correlate abnormalities in these regions with an impaired working memory. Working memory is the ability to remember and process information in the moment and -- if needed -- transfer it to long-term memory. Previous studies have evaluated the effects of marijuana on the cortex, and few have directly compared chronic marijuana use in otherwise healthy individuals and individuals with schizophrenia.

The younger the individuals were when they started chronically using marijuana, the more abnormally their brain regions were shaped, the study reports. The findings suggest that these regions related to memory may be more susceptible to the effects of the drug if abuse starts at an earlier age.

"The study links the chronic use of marijuana to these concerning brain abnormalities that appear to last for at least a few years after people stop using it," said lead study author Matthew Smith, an assistant research professor in psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine. "With the movement to decriminalize marijuana, we need more research to understand its effect on the brain."

The paper will be published Dec. 16 in the journal Schizophrenia Bulletin.

In the U.S., marijuana is the most commonly used illicit drug and young adults have the highest -- and growing -- prevalence of use. Decriminalization of the drug may lead to greater use.

Because the study results examined one point in time, a longitudinal study is needed to definitively show if marijuana is responsible for the brain changes and memory impairment. It is possible that the abnormal brain structures reveal a pre-existing vulnerability to marijuana abuse. But evidence that the younger a subject started using the drug the greater his brain abnormality indicates marijuana may be the cause, Smith said.

The groups in the study started using marijuana daily between 16 to 17 years of age for about three years. At the time of the study, they had been marijuana free for about two years. A total of 97 subjects participated, including matched groups of healthy controls, subjects with a marijuana use disorder, schizophrenia subjects with no history of substance use disorders, and schizophrenia subjects with a marijuana use disorder. The subjects who used marijuana did not abuse any other drugs.

Few studies have examined marijuana's effect on the deep regions in the brain -- the 'subcortical gray matter' below the noodle-shaped cortex. The study also is unique in that it looked at the shapes of the striatum, globus pallidus and thalamus, structures in the subcortex that are critical for motivation and working memory.

The Marijuana and Schizophrenia Connection

Chronic use of marijuana may contribute to changes in brain structure that are associated with having schizophrenia, the Northwestern research shows. Of the 15 marijuana smokers who had schizophrenia in the study, 90 percent started heavily using the drug before they developed the mental disorder. Marijuana abuse has been linked to developing schizophrenia in prior research.

"The abuse of popular street drugs, such as marijuana, may have dangerous implications for young people who are developing or have developed mental disorders," said co-senior study author John Csernansky, M.D., chair of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and Northwestern Memorial Hospital. "This paper is among the first to reveal that the use of marijuana may contribute to the changes in brain structure that have been associated with having schizophrenia."

Chronic marijuana use could augment the underlying disease process associated with schizophrenia, Smith noted. "If someone has a family history of schizophrenia, they are increasing their risk of developing schizophrenia if they abuse marijuana," he said.

While chronic marijuana smokers and chronic marijuana smokers with schizophrenia both had brain changes related to the drug, subjects with the mental disorder had greater deterioration in the thalamus. That structure is the communication hub of the brain and is critical for learning, memory and communications between brain regions. The brain regions examined in this study also affect motivation, which is already notably impaired in people with schizophrenia.

"A tremendous amount of addiction research has focused on brain regions traditionally connected with reward/aversion function, and thus motivation," noted co-senior study author Hans Breiter, M.D., professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and director of the Warren Wright Adolescent Center at Feinberg and Northwestern Memorial. "This study very nicely extends the set of regions of concern to include those involved with working memory and higher level cognitive functions necessary for how well you organize your life and can work in society."

"If you have schizophrenia and you frequently smoke marijuana, you may be at an increased risk for poor working memory, which predicts your everyday functioning," Smith said.

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The research was supported by grants R01 MH056584 and P50 MH071616 from the National Institute of Mental Health and grants P20 DA026002 and RO1 DA027804 from National Institute of Drug Abuse, all of the National Institutes of Health.




http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-12/nu-hmu121013.php


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: DylanOM] * 2
    #19283590 - 12/16/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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This article doesn't provide any real evidence for its claims, or even make a real point




Perhaps that's because it's simply an article about the study as opposed to the actual study?

Methinks you be a young cannabis user.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: DylanOM] * 1
    #19283605 - 12/16/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This is a news article, they will never publish scientific details, too boring. If you find the journal article the actual results are published in it *should* go into more detail assuming it is a legitimate study.

*If you do find the article online and you need to subscribe to the journal to get it, post a link in the journal article request thread in the chem forum and someone with access will get it for you.

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I think this article has merit though. Taking in any drug while your brain is still in development will usually be detrimental. The aritcle seemed to only focus on users that started in adolescence and not ones that waited until they were in the 17-18+ age range. That can make a big difference.

And someone did bring up the adderall and ritalin argument which is only partially true. I do believe they over perscribe ADD/ADHD meds like crazy now but in some cases the benefits truly do outweigh the negative effects. That holds true for most perscription meds, a doctor *should* weigh the pros and cons of taking it before perscribing it. When it comes to recreational drugs a lot of people (especially teenagers) don't look at the negative effects. I don't even think someone under the age of 16-ish can even make an informed decision about self medicating themselves either.

*And that is purely a subjective number. Some people are mature enough at a young age and some aren't, but physiologically I don't believe a young person is ready for drugs*


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: suniced]
    #19283631 - 12/16/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have heard of similar results in studies before that have found it can damage memory and brain development, but it doesn't seem to have quite the effect on older peeps. Personally, it has helped me tremendously in my life. I was able to complete my science degree while smoking almost every single night without any noticeable effects of memory loss, certainly not enough to effect my school performance (however, I am NOT recommending that you should smoke weed and study.. Bad idea. I have been smoking gonj for three years now and am comfortable with the effects and I don't smoke when I am trying to learn). It helps me relax which helps me make better decisions. And when you make better decisions you get to live with better consequences, making it easier to enjoy your life more. It makes you think about things in a totally different and unrestricted way.

Some of you guys are right on with your comments about alcohol and tobacco. If we are talking about banning substances because they are dangerous, then lets face the truth and make tobacco and alcohol illegal too. Talk to a police sometime about their experience dealing with drunks.

Personally, I think people should be able to do whatever the frack they want, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody. I think we should be able to take risks against our own health too! Would you rather live a meaningful and exciting life until you're 75 or a boring fearful life until you're 100? I think if religion didn't have such a powerful effect on people's fear, we would all be able to think more rationally and live happier!!!!


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: PurpleHaze147]
    #19283637 - 12/16/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Smoking weed daily does clog up the synapses of ur brain since THC is so lipophilic (dissolves in fat easily). This does effect memory and other cognitive functions but it does clear up with time. I wouldn't say it damages ur brain, it inhibits it's maximum potential. It's not nearly as bad as alcohol tho





Lol what?

Care to explain how THC clogs up synapses to a neuroscience major?


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19283675 - 12/16/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Smoking weed daily does clog up the synapses of ur brain since THC is so lipophilic (dissolves in fat easily). This does effect memory and other cognitive functions but it does clear up with time. I wouldn't say it damages ur brain, it inhibits it's maximum potential. It's not nearly as bad as alcohol tho





Lol what?

Care to explain how THC clogs up synapses to a neuroscience major?



I thought that sounded kinda strange too, lol.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: KingKnowledge] * 1
    #19283751 - 12/16/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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PurpleHaze147 said:
Smoking weed daily does clog up the synapses of ur brain since THC is so lipophilic (dissolves in fat easily). This does effect memory and other cognitive functions but it does clear up with time. I wouldn't say it damages ur brain, it inhibits it's maximum potential. It's not nearly as bad as alcohol tho





Lol what?

Care to explain how THC clogs up synapses to a neuroscience major?




Makes the action potential all lazy, doesn't want to get up off the couch, never mind rapidly rise and fall.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: LSDreams]
    #19283755 - 12/16/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I googled "Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine" and it's in Chicago. 

I wonder if they cared to make a similar study on the effects of heavy teenage adderall use and how it changes brain neurophysiology after cessation...??  and consider public schools are practically forcing ADHD treatments on families by the boatload.



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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: LSDreams]
    #19283790 - 12/16/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ugh, crap science reporting is crap.
The study press release,
"The brain abnormalities and memory problems were observed during the individuals' early twenties, two years after they stopped smoking marijuana, which could indicate the long-term effects of chronic use. Memory-related structures in their brains appeared to shrink and collapse inward, possibly reflecting a decrease in neurons."
Becomes,
"The habit of smoking pot during teen years causes long-term brain damage, according to a Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine study."

In a new study released today, the habits of modern journalism decrease users reading ability by at least 2-3 grade levels.
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    #19283854 - 12/16/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You gotta take the good with the bad. I love how everyone is cheering and agreeable when there is a posituve study on cannabis, then when a study is published that is even remotely negative everyone is all up in arms about it calling foul. Personally Im skeptical about everything but I try not to let my personal activites and interests introduce bias when it comes to science.


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    #19283861 - 12/16/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ok so wait . .  You are telling me marijuana affects the memory!?!?!?

Holy Shit! That is some news right there! we to get this out there and make people aware!!!


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    #19283866 - 12/16/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's because the vast majority of anti-marijuana research is straight up propaganda, and though the knee-jerk reaction is never ideal, it's definitely understandable why a lot of marijuana users have this reaction.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: niteman]
    #19283879 - 12/16/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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In a new study released today, the habits of modern journalism decrease users reading ability by at least 2-3 grade levels.
Remember kids, don't do journalism, it makes you stupid.





:lol:

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niteman said:
You gotta take the good with the bad. I love how everyone is cheering and agreeable when there is a posituve study on cannabis, then when a study is published that is even remotely negative everyone is all up in arms about it calling foul. Personally Im skeptical about everything but I try not to let my personal activites and interests introduce bias when it comes to science.





:fuckyou:


just kidding-- you have a valid point and while the studies are interesting and possibly full of truthiness they are obviously presented in a very biased and slanted manner.  Where are all the studies concerning teen drinking and it's effects??  or the effects of heavily processed foods that are the only menu option in most public school cafeterias? 

I dont doubt that smoking a lot of weed changes brain chemistry but so does drinking a  lot of coffee and I hate seeing studies such as these used as a weapon of intolerance.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19283894 - 12/16/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That is the biggest problem with drug laws/research in general. WAYYYYY too much bias.

I will never say any drug is necessarily "good" for everyone but there are several drugs that are definitely not "bad" for anyone. Most research slants one way or the other, needs to actually be independent and unbiased so we can see what the actually effects of a lot of these compounds are and not just have to go by people's unscientific experiences.


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    #19284129 - 12/16/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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but there are several drugs that are definitely not "bad" for anyone.





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    #19284130 - 12/16/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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For the study, Smith's team compared MRI scans of a controlled group (44) with 10 people with cannabis use disorder, 15 with cannabis use disorder and a diagnosis of schizophrenia, and 28 with schizophrenia but no reported use of marijuana in the past.




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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19284163 - 12/16/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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"With the movement to decriminalize marijuana, we need more research to understand its effect on the brain."



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The abuse of popular street drugs, such as marijuana, may have dangerous implications for young people who are developing or have developed mental disorders," said co-senior study author John Csernansky, M.D., chair of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and Northwestern Memorial Hospital. "This paper is among the first to reveal that the use of marijuana may contribute to the changes in brain structure that have been associated with having schizophrenia."




Yeah, try to be as objective as possible...
This study is a piece of shit. 
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For the study, Smith's team compared MRI scans of a controlled group (44) with 10 people with cannabis use disorder, 15 with cannabis use disorder and a diagnosis of schizophrenia, and 28 with schizophrenia but no reported use of marijuana in the past.



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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: fapjack]
    #19284236 - 12/16/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What is "cannabis use disorder"?? Because I think i'm suffering from that. :kidsmirk:


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: niteman]
    #19284271 - 12/16/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You gotta take the good with the bad. I love how everyone is cheering and agreeable when there is a posituve study on cannabis, then when a study is published that is even remotely negative everyone is all up in arms about it calling foul. Personally Im skeptical about everything but I try not to let my personal activites and interests introduce bias when it comes to science.



Yes, because we don't automatically agree with studies like these, were all biased morons.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19284332 - 12/16/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

President Reagan is still alive to push the ol' H-bomb schtick, eh? Nice.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #19284341 - 12/16/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What about if the kid was like 6 years old?  That's got to do something to the brain.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: sunshine]
    #19284520 - 12/16/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They should be doing (probably are) long term studies on children smoking medical marijuana in states that allow it.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: sunshine]
    #19284550 - 12/16/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Speaking of Biases, this study was funded by the National Institute of Drug Abuse.
"As the National Institute on Drug Abuse, our focus is primarily on the negative consequences of marijuana use, We generally do not fund research focused on the potential beneficial medical effects of marijuana." - National Institute of Drug Abuse

So basically you must show dangers of marijuana if you want to keep your funding.
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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19284732 - 12/16/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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but there are several drugs that are definitely not "bad" for anyone.





Such as?




I should have said everyone instead of anyone. There are definitely specific cases in which any drug can be harmful to someone.

If you take weed as an example there are definitely cases where it can be beneficial to someone, and there are a handful of cases in which a person shouldn't smoke it because of adverse reactions, but for the majority of people I would say the health effects are mostly inconclusive since there is so much bias and too much conflicting research to draw accurate conclusions.

Same goes for hullicinogens, for the majority of cases I wouldn't rule them as "bad" in the way the media/government would.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: Smushroom]
    #19284755 - 12/16/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It affects reasoning such as,

choosing to watch the news and listen to the media while sober
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    #19285161 - 12/16/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What about an article about how short term memory is destroyed the more tv/movies you watch? We don't exactly see it uncommon for kids to be sitting around watching 8+hours of tv a day, especially with weed. Could be the fact there is no stimulation occurring while stoned. One of my favorite past times was to get high then do calculus. Was easier that way than sober.


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    #19285639 - 12/16/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

LiquidGlass said:
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but there are several drugs that are definitely not "bad" for anyone.





Such as?




I should have said everyone instead of anyone. There are definitely specific cases in which any drug can be harmful to someone.

If you take weed as an example there are definitely cases where it can be beneficial to someone, and there are a handful of cases in which a person shouldn't smoke it because of adverse reactions, but for the majority of people I would say the health effects are mostly inconclusive since there is so much bias and too much conflicting research to draw accurate conclusions.

Same goes for hullicinogens, for the majority of cases I wouldn't rule them as "bad" in the way the media/government would.




I'm inclined to agree.  People who are researching drugs are often looking for a pro- or a anti-drug argument from their research.  Especially with pot/psychedelics/MDMA.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19285675 - 12/16/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19285721 - 12/16/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Makes me worry how my heavy daily use of synthetic weed in my teens has effected my brain :braindamage:


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Synthetic weed is a whole other beast all in itself. Not the same at all


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    #19285747 - 12/16/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've never really been able to find any studies on how it effects the brain long term. I defiantly figured out after high school that real weed was a different animal


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #19286148 - 12/16/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This is bullshit. Straight up.

I'm an epileptic. My condition is "unknown, needs further research" ... Meaning, I'm not your typical epileptic and the doctors do not know my cause. Do I give a shit? Naaaa...

My point is, I go in for multiple brain scans each year.
CT.CAT.MRI..EEG..ECG ...

Know what they find abnormal? Nothing ...

Now this is the part where people may flame me for having such a condition and smoking pot. If so, "fuck you hypocrites".... I'm hoping that's not the case.

My major point is, take a bunch of dumbasses claiming to be potheads and put them into a study ... They're bound to have brain-damage. Their participation shows this.

It's not the pot. It's their own neurological fuckup.

After DMT, Mushrooms and A LOT of Pot, My brain is just the same as it has been for the past 12 years.

Studies like this wouldn't share my medical history however.
It's not "media friendly" ...

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    #19286365 - 12/16/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Smoking weed daily does clog up the synapses of ur brain since THC is so lipophilic (dissolves in fat easily). This does effect memory and other cognitive functions but it does clear up with time. I wouldn't say it damages ur brain, it inhibits it's maximum potential. It's not nearly as bad as alcohol tho




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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19287167 - 12/17/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Marijuana damages the brain for life!.........for a few years after ceasing use.
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    #19287191 - 12/17/13 05:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19287575 - 12/17/13 08:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So it this more typical snobbery that marijuana has no ill-effects? It's funny, really, when you consider that being open-minded would be valued in this community--but not the idea that marijuana could have a single strike against it. I am not a scientist by any stretch, but deductive reasoning would lead me to the conclusion that smoking pot probably has some effects on the brain/body that are not desirable, if not negative. Again, I'm not a scientist, but I can still figure that out in all my infinite stupidity.


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    #19287626 - 12/17/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Marijuana Damages Brain for Life

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The study links the chronic use of marijuana to these concerning brain abnormalities that appear to last for at least a few years after people stop using it,




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    #19287632 - 12/17/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The schizophrenia bulletin
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    #19287747 - 12/17/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I do believe cannabinoids build up at synapses.  Much safer than SSRI's blowing up or swelling receptor sites.  Cannabis doesn't shrink the entire brain like new anti-psychotics do, or cause parkison syndromes.

I believe I get more from cannabis than I lose from it.  It's always up to everyone to decide for themselves.  I don't care to see everyone smoking it anyhow.  I'd rather have a world where nobody knows what cannabis is, but it's too late for that.

People that find a drugs effects to be too harmful for them, usually stop using it.  Lot's of us stop because it's just to difficult to procure, as is my situation.  I don't think anything is more powerful than personal will power, other than group will power.  In my case group will power has proved stronger than my personal will.


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    #19288508 - 12/17/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Its well established that using psychoactive medication during the brain's development leads to negative consequences.  This is true for almost every psychoactive medication, and it has been established that marijuana does indeed cause cognitive development problems.  This study does not tread any new ground.  What they surveyors/media are doing is spinning the wording of the results to tend for people to assume the message that marijuana use in general causes brain damage.  This has never been proven and the links between marijuana and schizophrenia have been studied in people who began before and after the completion of brain development.  The studies do back up the idea that marijuana consumption before 21 leads to an increased disposition to schizophrenia, almost a 3-fold increase.  However, by the same token, there is no observable increase in the incidence of schizophrenia in people who began after 21.

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    #19288654 - 12/17/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Did anyone else notice how in the headline they put "Damages Brain for Life", but then when they actually quoted the researcher, all he said was that it was for at least a few years?


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    #19288760 - 12/17/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I guess they can just stop using cannabis to treat Alzheimer's, it seems this form of treatment would make it worse, don't you think?  But wait, they haven't found that out yet?  In fact, they've found it to improve the brain function despite the disease????  What?

"Alzheimer's: New Method To Protect Brain Cells From Neurodegenerative Diseases Found.
Researchers at LSU Health Sciences Center New Orleans, provides evidence that one of the only naturally occurring fatty acids in the brain that has the ability to interact with the receptors originally identified as the targets of THC (the psychoactive component of marijuana) can help to protect brain cells from neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. Published in the Journal of Biological Chemistry, "

http://safeaccess.ca/research/alzheimers.htm
 
The media contradicts itself yet again, offering nothing but fear, sex, and consumerism.  They'd rather you pump yourself with chemicals they can profit from than something natural within our control.


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    #19288767 - 12/17/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I guess they can just stop using cannabis to treat Alzheimer's, it seems this form of treatment would make it worse, don't you think?  But wait, they haven't found that out yet?  In fact, they've found it to improve the brain function despite the disease????  What?

[gradient:#D4C7D3,#CCC7D4]"Alzheimer's: New Method To Protect Brain Cells From Neurodegenerative Diseases Found.
Researchers at LSU Health Sciences Center New Orleans, provides evidence that one of the only naturally occurring fatty acids in the brain that has the ability to interact with the receptors originally identified as the targets of THC (the psychoactive component of marijuana) can help to protect brain cells from neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. Published in the Journal of Biological Chemistry, "[/gradient]

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    #19288897 - 12/17/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Did anyone else notice how in the headline they put "Damages Brain for Life", but then when they actually quoted the researcher, all he said was that it was for at least a few years?



That's because it is a known fact that from the moment you first smoke weed, you'll be dead within 3 years.


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    #19294895 - 12/18/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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niteman said:
You gotta take the good with the bad. I love how everyone is cheering and agreeable when there is a posituve study on cannabis, then when a study is published that is even remotely negative everyone is all up in arms about it calling foul. Personally Im skeptical about everything but I try not to let my personal activites and interests introduce bias when it comes to science.



Yes, because we don't automatically agree with studies like these, were all biased morons.





Obviously I did not say that. I don't take shit like that personally is all. I don't agree with this study but that is because of the data not because I love the ganja. There is a difference between being objective and being delusional is all.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: niteman]
    #19294919 - 12/18/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

they are outright lying about schizophrenics though

some schizophrenics perform better on memory test if they smoke pot

http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/05/marijuana-may-both-trigger-and-suppress-psychosis/

http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/30/marijuana-compound-treats-schizophrenia-with-few-side-effects-clinical-trial/

there was also a time study on 10,000 people over the course of 10-20 years that found nothing that stood out


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: Konyap]
    #19294922 - 12/18/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

oh crap wrong likns...


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: travelleler]
    #19294934 - 12/18/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No I agree that this study is bullshit and of course there are much bigger problems when it comes to health. I just know there are people on here that don't even read the article or the information becore spouting something like "Fuck the drug war" or "ignorant propaganda"  without really knowing wtf they are talking about. I'm more taking issue with some peoples sensationalistic comments (which are just as useless and inflammatory as the bullshit spewed by the news media) in response to the articles posted. Its fine to be passionate about an issue you believe strongly in but don't sink to the level of a yahoo news writer.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: niteman]
    #19294944 - 12/18/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

plenty of people that bring up these studies are morons and dense though lol


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    #19295483 - 12/18/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Its funny how there's those stating they have proof that marijuana is harmful, then others who say they have proof that marijuana is not harmful as others say. Like wtf? I am thinking morons are freaking out over the legalization trend and throwing there last attempts out to stop it. lol


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: Konyap]
    #19296625 - 12/19/13 05:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Illyabo said:
plenty of people that bring up these studies are morons and dense though lol




And plenty are not. I brought it up because it's news, it shows what's out there and gives people things to be aware of.

It's a shame so many would rather rail about stupid shit as opposed to educating themselves. I can't help it if you'd rather remain ignorant to this type of stuff. There are others who don't wish to remain ignorant.


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19297531 - 12/19/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

this isn't stuff though I already pointed out how they were wrong about memory and schizo's and they were doing there test with god knows what marijuana strain with a different testing group that admittedly smoked heavy doseges everyday


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Re: Marijuana Damages Brain for Life, Study [Re: Konyap]
    #19297683 - 12/19/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Great

So we've gone from taking 1 hit to kill you to taking a hit damages brain for life

What is next? Taking 1 hit increases your risk of mental illness by 10000%?

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