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Re: iPhones vs Android [Re: Juicin]
#19286222 - 12/16/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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In what way are they sub-par if they deliver at least equal performance in real-world usage? A phone is an entire package and you need to treat it that way when you exam performance.
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pwnasaurus said: What's so funny? Care to use your words to refute my theory?
Android is software. Specifically an os based on linux. Battery life of the devices it can run on has little to do with its efficiency as a platform but rather the specific device and its manufacturer.
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Re: iPhones vs Android [Re: The_Ghost]
#19286232 - 12/16/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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pwnasaurus said: What's so funny? Care to use your words to refute my theory?
Android is software. Specifically an os based on linux. Battery life of the devices it can run on has nothing to do with its efficiency as a platform but rather the specific device and its manufacturer.
You completely missed the point. I was comparing Android to competing mobile OSs such as WP8 and iOS. Android is inarguably less efficient on system resources than either of them. It is literally my job to develop apps and I run diagnostics on my devices routinely while optimizing my apps.
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Just because it runs well doesn't mean it overcomes that gap.....Not when you can root and optimize. Same with the ios.
I'm sure a savy user would find the better hardware more useful. Not that I am that guy. But being in complete control of the OS really mitigates most of the difference. Besides user error
edit - Just being able to control all processes such a massive boost
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CosmicJoke said: I have a whole drawer of android phones....
You got one with the keyboard on it? I want one that I can install Kali on as a project box.
negatory, i have galaxy nexus, droid incredible, nexus one, umm i guess that's it, maybe a drawer full was a bit of an exaggeration.
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pwnasaurus said: What's so funny? Care to use your words to refute my theory?
Android is software. Specifically an os based on linux. Battery life of the devices it can run on has nothing to do with its efficiency as a platform but rather the specific device and its manufacturer.
You completely missed the point. I was comparing Android to competing mobile OSs such as WP8 and iOS. Android is inarguably less efficient on system resources than either of them.
I guess i did. I was addressing you saying that they cant make small devices. On to this point, how is it a fact exactly? They are entirely different operating systems, which have different sets of operations resulting in variable power consumption. If your proprietary locked down os happens to draw less power, its not because of its identical functionality.
All these arguments are still utterly pointless tho. The operating systems will draw slightly different power requirements. The variability of the devices android can run on is vast in comparison to whatever standard model iphone hardware consists of tho. If battery life is an issue.. get a phone with a bigger battery.. If screen size is an issue.. get a phone w a bigger screen.. thats the whole idea of android. Options and cross-compatibility. Its obviously going to come at a slight price in terms of minor performance factors compared to a device build specifically for a specific os.
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The only reason that Android devices are all that big is because Android is so inefficient that they need massive batteries to get decent battery life.
Well, I don't think that's true
I think it is absolutely true. Note how I said why they are all that big. It's not just a few of them. Certainly some people want bigger phones, but the iPhone has proven that a smaller form factor is certainly desirable to a pretty large portion of the population. If they could, some company would have made a smaller flagship Android device by now. I truly believe it's not possible.
Well, you can always make a thicker phone at 4.3", battery doesn't have to be spanned over the surface of a larger phone. It definitely is possible, but will look less sleek.
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The only reason that Android devices are all that big is because Android is so inefficient that they need massive batteries to get decent battery life.
Well, I don't think that's true
I think it is absolutely true. Note how I said why they are all that big. It's not just a few of them. Certainly some people want bigger phones, but the iPhone has proven that a smaller form factor is certainly desirable to a pretty large portion of the population. If they could, some company would have made a smaller flagship Android device by now. I truly believe it's not possible.
Well, you can always make a thicker phone at 4.3", battery doesn't have to be spanned over the surface of a larger phone. It definitely is possible, but will look less sleek.
Very true. I would like to see that actually.
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Juicin said: http://www.gizmag.com/htc-one-vs-iphone-5s-specs-comparison/29086/
The actual battery and everything else are sub par in the 5s.......But HTC isn't exactly giving you a deal either
The hardware is superior, apple probably has some edge due to designing the phones to run ios and the apps are tuned for the hardware as well.
edit - and the screen for bat life
What do you mean by "sub-par", and what is everything? You seem to be basing your points entirely on the clock speed of the CPU or something and not on performance.
At the end of the day specs like amount of RAM and clock of CPU aren't remotely important - it's about real-world performance.
The A7 chip (the CPU in the 5s) has been benchmarked higher than literally every other processor on the market. It even competes with a prototype Intel tablet chip. Have a look:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/5
It's actually the GPU performance that truly cums all over the face of competitors, and it shows in iOS games...
from anandtech's benchmarks:
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It's both actually 
 Keep in mind the Bay Trail is a tablet chip that is not even out yet.
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Yah I'm just saying in real world use, I think that GPU is where you'll see the phone scream. I'm more interested in processor efficiency otherwise, we need the haswell of phones that redefines battery life in a tremendous way.. Hasn't really happened yet, they're fast enough imho, would rather see marginal performance gains and all focus on efficiency.
change apple's sales pitch from "thinner, lighter, faster"
to "longer, longer, longer"
for the 6 and i'll early upgrade it, fuck it.
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CosmicJoke said: Yah I'm just saying in real world use, I think that GPU is where you'll see the phone scream. I'm more interested in processor efficiency otherwise, we need the haswell of phones that redefines battery life in a tremendous way.. Hasn't really happened yet, they're fast enough imho, would rather see marginal performance gains and all focus on efficiency.
change apple's sales pitch from "thinner, lighter, faster"
to "longer, longer, longer"
for the 6 and i'll early upgrade it, fuck it.
My company buys me all the new toys as test devices
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I'm actually chillin' on my apple fetish these days, down to 15" rmbp, 13" mba, iphone 5s.. and err mac mini server..
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Re: iPhones vs Android [Re: The_Ghost]
#19286644 - 12/16/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only reason that Android devices are all that big is because Android is so inefficient that they need massive batteries to get decent battery life.
Well, I don't think that's true
I think it is absolutely true. Note how I said why they are all that big. It's not just a few of them. Certainly some people want bigger phones, but the iPhone has proven that a smaller form factor is certainly desirable to a pretty large portion of the population. If they could, some company would have made a smaller flagship Android device by now. I truly believe it's not possible.
Always nice to see 'true belief' based on absolutely zero objective evidence or technological understanding.
There are many small and sleek android devices, have you not actually done any research on this at all or something?
The HTC One Mini, just for one example that I was researching a little about earlier, it is defintely a very well built sleek smaller phone, there are many of them like that...
They do make more bigger phones than littler phones, but there are plenty of smaller androids out there that are very nice phones.
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We were talking top tier hardware phones, and they gimped the specs for the 4.3" htc one mini.... Just because you want a smaller phone, doesn't mean you want the lesser specs or don't have money... And there's no reason to think that a smaller phone with the same specs couldn't be engineered, it was a pricing thing for ppl who didn't want to shell out for the big brother... Not for the tech enthusiasts who prefer a smaller phone.
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I really don't care about the benchmarks when the phone is a midget phone.. no thank you.
(talking about the iphones, not responding to any one person, I'm just putting it out there.)
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But I can see why some people might prefer a smaller phone.. me on the other hand prefer the opposite.. a big ass phone.
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The HTC One Mini, just for one example that I was researching a little about earlier, it is defintely a very well built sleek smaller phone, there are many of them like that...
They do make more bigger phones than littler phones, but there are plenty of smaller androids out there that are very nice phones.
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QFT. Sounds like YOU don't have a clue what you're actually talking about.
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I like Android.
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Re: iPhones vs Android [Re: Shroomism]
#19286854 - 12/17/13 01:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I could have sworn I saw these talked about like 4-5 years ago at least if not more
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