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FunkyBuddha
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Stomach pain from fresh shrooms?
#19282167 - 12/16/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay so basically I'm going to be birthing my cakes in about a week or so so I'm staying to plan my first trip now just to make sure I've got it all sorted.
I plan on taking 20 fresh grams (I'd like to go fresh first because I can't think of a better way to get a grasp of a substance than trying it in its totally unaltered form). First off, what do you guys think of that dosage? This will be my first time with shrooms but I'm an avid stoner and have used a fair few other psychedelics (25i once, 25c 7 or 8 times and one of those times I mixed it with 2cp and supposed LSD, which was either a low dose, shitty LSD or not LSD because I doubt people would be raving like they do about acid with my experience).
I'm going to have my girlfriend there to keep an eye on me and I'll have a decent amount of privacy so I'm open to taking more if you guys think it would be a good idea.
The main two questions are: do you think I'll get stomach pain? (Nausea I can deal with using either ginger tea or weed) and is it that bad that I would have to have something ready to alleviate it? And what's a natural way to do this?
Tl;dr first trip on shrooms, experienced with other psychs, 20g fresh, more? Is the stomach pain that bad and what's a natural way to fix it if it is?
Thanks
Edited by FunkyBuddha (12/16/13 01:48 AM)
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swampy

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Re: Stomach pain from fresh shrooms? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
#19282227 - 12/16/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've eaten 30g fresh and didn't feel any stomach pain, but my friend vomited haha. Just do it on an empty stomach and you should be fine (my friend also experienced no stomach pain)
Edited by swampy (12/16/13 02:32 AM)
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FunkyBuddha
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Re: Stomach pain from fresh shrooms? [Re: swampy]
#19282253 - 12/16/13 02:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome, that's good to hear I'll probably be trying to time it so I can watch the sunset as I come up so how long should I fast? If I just eat a light dinner the night before, a tiny bit of fruit in the morning and then nothing but fluids?
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Re: Stomach pain from fresh shrooms? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
#19282257 - 12/16/13 02:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah that sounds perfect. Good luck and enjoy them man, 20g is a pretty big journey!
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FunkyBuddha
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Re: Stomach pain from fresh shrooms? [Re: swampy]
#19282379 - 12/16/13 03:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the help dude yeah I'm looking forward to see what the mushrooms can teach me
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Re: Stomach pain from fresh shrooms? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
#19283001 - 12/16/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you worry about aches and pains, can predose yourself with some Advil or Tylenol an hour or so before you take the mushrooms. Eat a little something with them... Piece of bread or something so they don't sit on your bare stomach.
I have never had stomach pains... But You can always chops them up a little and toss them in a little hot water for a minute or so and then down both mushrooms and water... Make them a little easier to digest..
But I would just eat them...
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Re: Stomach pain from fresh shrooms? [Re: HarryL]
#19283076 - 12/16/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am more likely to experience stomach discomfort from dried mushrooms than I am fresh ones. I don't know why. Whatever discomfort I have ever felt on any of my trips has never been enough to make my experiences unpleasant either. You should be fine. 20g fresh is an excellent first dose if you are aiming to be submersed in the psychedelic experience. Have fun!
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Mmmmm hahah I remember my first PF grow. 70 grams split between my buddy and I was utterly fantastic. Laid down in the drive way looking at the stars listening to Mazzy Star -Into Dust,, I highly recommend doing something similar. It's amazing.
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Allisterem
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20 grams fresh has a different potency from dried? Or are you guys just that intense?
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Re: Stomach pain from fresh shrooms? [Re: Allisterem]
#19283981 - 12/16/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The general rule of thumb is 10g fresh = 1g dry because fresh shrooms are mostly water.
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RiparianZoneJunky
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20g fresh is my standard dosage for testing potency of a batch of mushrooms or a new species, it will generally be a nice solid trip but a totally manageable experience. I personally prefer tripping on fresh mushrooms when they are available, there is some potency loss and also something ineffable seems to be lost in the drying process that makes dried shrooms less enjoyable for me. I always make tea, so I'm not sure about how eating them wet would treat your stomach, but I highly recommend you use the recipe in my sig with 20g fresh, the best of my trips have all been doing it that way.
Edited by RiparianZoneJunky (12/16/13 02:07 PM)
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I'd advise 25-30, chopped and made into tea.
Maybe slightly stronger trip, but likely shorter and less nausea.
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FunkyBuddha
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Re: Stomach pain from fresh shrooms? [Re: GoldenArrow]
#19284908 - 12/16/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay maybe I will go for 25 or 30 and I know that tea is the best way to reduce pain and nausea but for my first ever experience I'd like to just try the absolute baseline experience. Plus I wanna feel like a crazy caveman that stumbled upon these funny looking shrooms and have them a go thanks to everyone for the help!
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Re: Stomach pain from fresh shrooms? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
#19285132 - 12/16/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Make tea
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Re: Stomach pain from fresh shrooms? [Re: nicechrisman]
#19285405 - 12/16/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I let my freshies soak in some OJ for a few minutes and then munch them down.
The citric taste makes it a little easier to get down the mushrooms.
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Re: Stomach pain from fresh shrooms? [Re: Rhizohunter]
#19285604 - 12/16/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Rhizohunter said: I let my freshies soak in some OJ for a few minutes and then munch them down.
The citric taste makes it a little easier to get down the mushrooms.
It also renders the actives more bioavailable and makes them kick in faster and harder.
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Quote:
FrozenHappiness said: The general rule of thumb is 10g fresh = 1g dry because fresh shrooms are mostly water.
Thank you
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Re: Stomach pain from fresh shrooms? [Re: Allisterem]
#19285978 - 12/16/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I find fresh are more potent, am I the only one? I take 20g fresh of my mushrooms, and I trip equal to an eigth of dried, if not more.
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Re: Stomach pain from fresh shrooms? [Re: rickjamez20]
#19286371 - 12/16/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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rickjamez20 said: I find fresh are more potent, am I the only one? I take 20g fresh of my mushrooms, and I trip equal to an eigth of dried, if not more.
Yeah I agree, weight wise, if you take 10g wet and dry it, it will be almost exactly 1g dry material, however, there is some amount of potency loss when drying due to oxidation, so 20 fresh is still more potent than 2g fresh. It's not a super big difference, I'd say more like a 10-20% loss, but it is certainly noticeable.
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FrozenHappiness
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Aye, I have noticed this as well. The the 10:1 rule of thumb if for some quick and dirty dosage calculation, wich I find is accurate enough. I tend to trip off of 20g fresh about as hard as I would off of 2.5-3g dry. And fresh shrooms are always way more visual for me too, something is definately lost when they are dried.
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