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Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation?
#19281635 - 12/15/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just wondering if the coloring has anything to do with their ability to utilize light as it does with plants, and if so would this lead to a reduced yield from albino strains? Afaik we don't know how mushrooms utilize light so the former can only be guessed, but for the later should be easy enough to answer if you've grown enough of both. I'm wondering in peticular because I'm going to grow some A+ Albinos soon.
Edited by krypto2000 (12/15/13 10:33 PM)
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: krypto2000]
#19281672 - 12/15/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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good question
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19281785 - 12/15/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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AA+ are not albino but leucistic. That being said I have just finished harvesting a first flush of AA+ and I noticed that while most of my other varieties (excluding APE) would orient their caps toward the light, My AA+ grew straight up regardless of where the light was placed. Not sure of the reasons for this (if any) or if it was merely an oddity specific to the genetics (was a monoculture) but it was different enough that I noted it.
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19281798 - 12/15/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, for what I've read, mushrooms have a circadian rythm (day-night cycle) just like we do, but they don't utilize light like plants do (to create their food).
Remember that plants and mushrooms are from two totally different kingdoms (fungi and platae) and that the former are autotrophs (create their own food from CO2, water and light) whilst the former are heterotrophs (take premade food from the environment). Fungi lack chlorophil, which plants use to absorb light.
So in short, my guess would be: No, albinism does not affect how mushrooms deal with light in terms of nutrition, therefore, mushrooms being white does not affect the final yield.
Edited by Insider (12/15/13 11:31 PM)
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: Insider]
#19283193 - 12/16/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think there's more to it than just the circadium rythm because if you grow mushrooms in the dark or with little light you will get dramatically less yields, so whether they directly derive energy from light they at the very least need it to utilize the nutritional energy present. Maybe that is only an effect of improper cycles, but whatever the cause I'm wondering if there would be an impact in growing albinos with or without light. Chlorophyll is also just what plants use, but many other organisms, including humans, utilize sunlight via different means.
Pastywhite, how were your yields from the AA+ compared to other cubes? From grows I've seen they *seemed* to be in line, but then most people don't tend to post about lackluster grows so that may just be a perception bias.
Edited by krypto2000 (12/16/13 10:39 AM)
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: krypto2000]
#19283224 - 12/16/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is no doubt that there is benefit of light for p.cube. Doing nothing more than introducing indirect sun/6500k lighting, improves the appearance and certainly increases overall yield.
Humans need light for certain vitamins, irrelevant if we are brown, yellow, black or white. Our own pigment has no impact on needing sun for more than knowing that its time for work.
I think that no matter the color of the fruit, lighting is important.
Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19283243 - 12/16/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I read that light patterns even increase colonization times in jars? crazy shit.
I even started playing music for my jars
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19283765 - 12/16/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Regarding yield, the fruits were quite large for a first flush, but hollow. Was pretty average overall, about 30 grams dry per quart of spawn. I'm not working with ms however so maybe with some more diverse genetics I might see different results. I happened to have a pin pop up on a plate so I cloned it and went with that for my first experiments.
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19283810 - 12/16/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've recently gotten the bug for failbino. They seem to have quite a bit of "does not look like a cube" going for them.
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19283896 - 12/16/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I love APE for its looks like a fucking alien life form qualities.
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19284632 - 12/16/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whippy said: I've recently gotten the bug for failbino. They seem to have quite a bit of "does not look like a cube" going for them.
Why do you call them failbino? Are they tricky to grow or something?
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: krypto2000]
#19284763 - 12/16/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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F+ crossed with pf albino was called "falbino" one of the few that I do not have in my collection that I regret not getting. Unfortunately the wife is gonna kill me if I aquire anymore varieties/species.
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19284800 - 12/16/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: F+ crossed with pf albino was called "falbino" one of the few that I do not have in my collection that I regret not getting. Unfortunately the wife is gonna kill me if I aquire anymore varieties/species.
Sounds like you need to put some pants on  how would she know if you had another print somewhere.
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19284835 - 12/16/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: F+ crossed with pf albino was called "falbino" one of the few that I do not have in my collection that I regret not getting. Unfortunately the wife is gonna kill me if I aquire anymore varieties/species.
so get it and tell her it's just for her merry x-mas baby!
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: cronicr]
#19284843 - 12/16/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I got something for both of us since you say we don't connect as much as we used to.
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: Insider]
#19285013 - 12/16/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Insider said: Well, for what I've read, mushrooms have a circadian rythm (day-night cycle) just like we do, but they don't utilize light like plants do (to create their food).
Remember that plants and mushrooms are from two totally different kingdoms (fungi and platae) and that the former are autotrophs (create their own food from CO2, water and light) whilst the former are heterotrophs (take premade food from the environment). Fungi lack chlorophil, which plants use to absorb light.
So in short, my guess would be: No, albinism does not affect how mushrooms deal with light in terms of nutrition, therefore, mushrooms being white does not affect the final yield.
There's actually a black fungus living in the depths of the Chernobyl reactors that they suspect uses melanin (yup, the same pigment we use) to get its energy from the horrible radiation all around it. I'd be a little more hesitant to write off the possibility of autotrophy in fungi, especially where melanin is concerned. It also raises questions about our own heterotrophy--do we derive energy directly from radiation? Is that how melanin blocks UV photons without being degraded?
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albinoism affect proliferation? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19285050 - 12/16/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: F+ crossed with pf albino was called "falbino" one of the few that I do not have in my collection that I regret not getting. Unfortunately the wife is gonna kill me if I aquire anymore varieties/species.
Sounds like you need to put some pants on  how would she know if you had another print somewhere.
for real. its weird when people "can't do mycology because of a spouse." like, what? thats like not being allowed to garden
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albino's affect proliferation? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19285226 - 12/16/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: F+ crossed with pf albino was called "falbino" one of the few that I do not have in my collection that I regret not getting. Unfortunately the wife is gonna kill me if I aquire anymore varieties/species.
Sounds like you need to put some pants on  how would she know if you had another print somewhere.
for real. its weird when people "can't do mycology because of a spouse." like, what? thats like not being allowed to garden 
Oh its not like I'm not allowed to grow or nothing, its more like the scope of the projects that is the problem. She does try to take some interest in what I got going on and I'm lucky to have her support. Many times she has looked after my projects while I'm out of town, and she really likes harvest time. But she would take notice of a new albino, that's for sure. To be completely honest 13 cube varieties, 5 pan varieties, 2 stone producers, 3 woodlovers, and 5 edible projects are plenty to keep me occupied for the next 4 or 5 years I need to learn some restraint
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albino's affect proliferation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19285253 - 12/16/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am watching with great interest because I am starting a grow of PEUH.
Any takers on what that would stand for?
"Oh its not like I'm not allowed to grow or nothing, its more like the scope of the projects that is the problem. She does try to take some interest in what I got going on and I'm lucky to have her support. Many times she has looked after my projects while I'm out of town, and she really likes harvest time. But she would take notice of a new albino, that's for sure. To be completely honest 13 cube varieties, 5 pan varieties, 2 stone producers, 3 woodlovers, and 5 edible projects are plenty to keep me occupied for the next 4 or 5 years I need to learn some restraint "
No edibles?
Edited by bootster (12/16/13 06:11 PM)
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Re: Are albino strains able to utilize light, and does albino's affect proliferation? [Re: bootster]
#19285348 - 12/16/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh yes, I'm gonna be doing lots of edibles, especially once I achieve most of my cube goals. But there comes a point where you need to stop collecting stuff, especially if you have yet to grow half of it Right now the only thing I think I really want on top of what I already have would be some panellius stipticus.
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