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Michio Kaku

He is literally the coolest dude alive right now IMO.
He's pretty much my hero.
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i agree with his one world government stance
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He's smart and interesting, but his ego is absolutely out of control.
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robbyberto said: He's smart and interesting, but his ego is absolutely out of control.
I second that. Many many people know what he knows and are as smart as him yet he acts like a god.
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many people act like a god, and they are just reality show actors or musicians, if i was that smart id be a douche too, itd olmost be a curse to be able describes some shit to someone and their just like ,
....uuhhhhh what?
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He ain't that smart compared to someone like ed witten or terence tao. There are thousands and thousands of people that would make michio kaku look like mickey mouse. he's conceited as hell.
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robbyberto said: He's smart and interesting, but his ego is absolutely out of control.
I second that. Many many people know what he knows and are as smart as him yet he acts like a god.
Science needs more public figures. The only way to get the attention of pop culture in our society seems to be to act in an imposing and self-righteous manner.
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Reminds me of the guy off ahhh Tokyo drift
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Does he really get the attention of pop culture? He seems to get just as much attention as a lame joke. He's a one-hit wonder to pop culture.
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neil degrasse tyson> michio kaku
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QFT. I was just about to say this.
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DrugsRGood said: Does he really get the attention of pop culture? He seems to get just as much attention as a lame joke. He's a one-hit wonder to pop culture.
Clearly he does more so than any of the physicists quietly doing their research in labs, only ever heard from via scientific journals. Plenty of people who don't know dick about science know his name and some general concepts he pushes in his constant media appearances. In turn raising general awareness in the masses since people more easily identify with a familiar name.
What 'hit' exactly is he a 'one hit wonder' for that makes the rest of his academic carrier insignificant?
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You got a point there.
Many people in his position seem to be in love with themselves a bit too much though. I'm not too sure he needs to be this way to gain attention.
But hey I guess I judged him cause I only look at his videos. Who knows who he really is. Maybe he's just an excellent showman.
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Yeah, I don't think he's all that egotistical really, he just knows what he's talking about so it may come off that way.
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DrugsRGood said: Who knows who he really is.
People who do a little research/thinking before making highly generalized arguments. Not sure what i'm doing expecting either around here tho.
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No some of his lectures start off with how he built an atom-smasher in high school and how he got a scholarship from Harvard because of it and there is really no reason to include that information except for him to suck his own dick.
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DrugsRGood said: Who knows who he really is.
People who do a little research/thinking before making highly generalized arguments. Not sure what i'm doing expecting either around here tho.
So what if I did? I realized after.
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robbyberto said: No some of his lectures start off with how he built an atom-smasher in high school and how he got a scholarship from Harvard because of it and there is really no reason to include that information except for him to suck his own dick.
He's just trying to establish mood.
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He just trying to establish mood.
It seems like he's just trying to be a smarty pants prick, IMO.
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robbyberto said: No some of his lectures start off with how he built an atom-smasher in high school and how he got a scholarship from Harvard because of it and there is really no reason to include that information except for him to suck his own dick.
Yes.. clearly all autobiographical introductions only ever exist for the speaker to suck their own dick and not to give the audience a sense of connection/relation of how inspiration on a subject can be used to paint a path toward increasing achievement..
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robbyberto said: No some of his lectures start off with how he built an atom-smasher in high school and how he got a scholarship from Harvard because of it and there is really no reason to include that information except for him to suck his own dick.
Yes.. clearly all autobiographical introductions only ever exist for the speaker to suck their own dick and not to give the audience a sense of connection/relation of how inspiration on a subject can be used to paint a path toward increasing achievement.. 
Dude there must be thousands of other ways to do that with out making most everyone feel like stupid pieces of shit. It makes him impossible to relate to or care about.
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robbyberto said: No some of his lectures start off with how he built an atom-smasher in high school and how he got a scholarship from Harvard because of it and there is really no reason to include that information except for him to suck his own dick.
Yes.. clearly all autobiographical introductions only ever exist for the speaker to suck their own dick and not to give the audience a sense of connection/relation of how inspiration on a subject can be used to paint a path toward increasing achievement.. 
Dude there must be thousands of other ways to do that with out making most everyone feel like stupid pieces of shit. It makes him impossible to relate to or care about.
That in no way makes me feel like a stupid piece of shit, nor do I think it would make most people feel like that...
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robbyberto said: No some of his lectures start off with how he built an atom-smasher in high school and how he got a scholarship from Harvard because of it and there is really no reason to include that information except for him to suck his own dick.
Yes.. clearly all autobiographical introductions only ever exist for the speaker to suck their own dick and not to give the audience a sense of connection/relation of how inspiration on a subject can be used to paint a path toward increasing achievement.. 
Dude there must be thousands of other ways to do that with out making most everyone feel like stupid pieces of shit. It makes him impossible to relate to or care about.
Guess thats why he's so well known.. cuz his whole media approach is based around making everyone feel like a stupid piece of shit.. Maybe you just are? All he ever does is try to break complex ideas down for the layman. Perhaps go study something else?
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Well you must not know how difficult that is then. And to the guy above me, my IQ is VERY high.
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How difficult it is has no bearing on how it makes me feel honestly...
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Whatever makes you feel less insecure.
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You're kind of a chode. Ok lets say he leaves that stuff out of his lectures, what information are you intellectually missing out on? Zippo.
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This thread was for a while.
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None, but like we've already said, it's just a little personal bit he throws in to get the audience engaged, many(most?) speakers do it...
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I guess you're right but I think he could use something of a less intimating anecdote. My skills tend more towards the verbal side so of course I am jealous and confounded by such an anecdote. Hey all and all I love his lectures!
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Whatever makes you feel less insecure.
If you think I'm a stupid/ unintelligent person then our society is in real fucking trouble broheim.
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Holy crap this Kaku guy is a dipshit. Schrodinger's Cat was a critical thought experiment designed to show that the Copenhagen school of quantum mechanics has problems describing classical states. Here he's going on about a dichotomy concerning God vs dinosaur wavefunctions happening in the room. Schrodinger could have put a dinosaur in the box instead and the point still would have been lost on Kaku apparently.
Fuck this guy seriously. He's doing the public a major disservice. He should go join the Ramtha cult.
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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: Viveka]
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Ive watch quite a few of his interviews about Fukushima lately
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robbyberto said: Well you must not know how difficult that is then. And to the guy above me, my IQ is VERY high.
Whatever makes you feel less insecure.
If you think I'm a stupid/ unintelligent person then our society is in real fucking trouble broheim.
I think our society has bigger problems than what i might or might not think of someone on a forum.
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Saying might or might not is entirely redundant, fuckstick.
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robbyberto said: Saying might or might not is entirely redundant, fuckstick.
You trying to prove your worth to me is even more so. Why are you so bothered by someone you deem less intelligent?
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Whatever imma eat hotpckets son.
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There's probably 10 to 15 regular posters here on the shroomery that would give him a run for his money. He ain't no great shakes. You'd be surprised how far self promotion will carry you.
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Yeah, no. I really doubt that many posters have graduated with a degree from Harvard uni.
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Holy crap this Kaku guy is a dipshit. Schrodinger's Cat was a critical thought experiment designed to show that the Copenhagen school of quantum mechanics has problems describing classical states. Here he's going on about a dichotomy concerning God vs dinosaur wavefunctions happening in the room. Schrodinger could have put a dinosaur in the box instead and the point still would have been lost on Kaku apparently.
Fuck this guy seriously. He's doing the public a major disservice. He should go join the Ramtha cult.
I don't think you're the one that understands. Kaku brought up the Many Worlds interpretation as an alternative solution to the Schrodinger's Cat paradox. That interpretation states that at each event, each possibility occurs, causing a rift between worlds. That is, when an observer opens the box, in one world he sees the cat dead and in the other he sees the cat alive.
That is why Kaku says there are dinosaur wavefunctions in the room because everything is happening simultaneously, they just occur in different "worlds." So in one world, the dinosaurs did not go extinct, etc.
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Yeah, no. I really doubt that many posters have graduated with a degree from Harvard uni.
Well that really don't mean all that much there's more than one way to learn. Where's his degree from the school of hard knocks. Are we supposed to wet our pants over his harvard degree and the patches on the sleeves of his tweed jacket and his hipster semi long grey hair. I'm not saying the guy ain't smart but he is definitely not the be all and end all.
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Holy crap this Kaku guy is a dipshit. Schrodinger's Cat was a critical thought experiment designed to show that the Copenhagen school of quantum mechanics has problems describing classical states. Here he's going on about a dichotomy concerning God vs dinosaur wavefunctions happening in the room. Schrodinger could have put a dinosaur in the box instead and the point still would have been lost on Kaku apparently.
Fuck this guy seriously. He's doing the public a major disservice. He should go join the Ramtha cult.
I don't think you're the one that understands. Kaku brought up the Many Worlds interpretation as an alternative solution to the Schrodinger's Cat paradox. That interpretation states that at each event, each possibility occurs, causing a rift between worlds. That is, when an observer opens the box, in one world he sees the cat dead and in the other he sees the cat alive.
That is why Kaku says there are dinosaur wavefunctions in the room because everything is happening simultaneously, they just occur in different "worlds." So in one world, the dinosaurs did not go extinct, etc.
Nonsense. You don't know what you are talking about. Kaku states that Schrodinger's cat shows that "observation determines existence" which he claims leaves you with a "horrible paradox" that either "the act of observation determines the existence of a cat or the cat is simultaneously dead and alive". At this point he is already so far off track he should just stop talking.
Schrodinger was not trying to say that the cat exists in multiple states until it is observed. He was making the point that anyone intuitively knows that the cat is in a classical state(i.e. alive, dead, asleep, etc.) and not a smear of probabilities unless it's observed. So Kaku either doesn't understand or is misrepresenting Schrodinger's Cat from the start.
As far as the "Many Worlds" interpretation, which is baseless, being an "alternate solution" to the paradox, that's total nonsense as well because Schrodinger's Cat is not a paradox, it's an object lesson on the limitations of maths to describe classical phenomenon, i.e.: cats in boxes.
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NDT and michio are both amazing. making science popular is a very good idea. especially with this dumbed-down stagnating media-addicted cesspool of a culture we live in. media and pop culture is the main thing most people pay attention to nowadays. with people bringing scientific ideas into the mainstream, we have an actual chance of educating the public to make a smarter society. and perhaps, just perhaps, enticing some more scientific interest in the public mind. wouldn't that be grand? what if instead of stupid "jersey shore fans" pages on facebook with a million followers, you would instead see "neutron star" fans and "ribosomes" fans. far out
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People need to stop leaning on the word "science" as if just uttering it lends weight and credibility to anything else they say. "Making science popular" tends to be a good intention with a bad result, the result being the dumbing down of "Science" so that all those stupid common folk can understand it because only those sciency Scientists understand science and if you're not a Scientist well, just listen to what Scientists are saying and you too can understand and benefit from Science. It's empty and stupid. How about some specificity and critical thought.
Then you get idiots like Kaku spouting off nonsense but because he bears the banner of Science! everything he says is wonderful. Then common knowledge about matters involving empirical and critical thinking becomes more and more diluted, rigor is lost and people believe anything because Science.
Science! has become dogma in popular culture.
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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: Viveka]
#19281878 - 12/15/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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you're deluded. i don't think you understand what draws people's attention and how attention works. attention drawing and thought-inciting can lead to divergent inquiry in people's thought processing.
of course "Science" is a label. it's a label used to describe the intellectual inquiry of the natural universe. it's not being "thrown around" any more than any other word is. you seem to be the one putting the word up on some kind of pedestal. only an elitist doof would believe that science could be "dumbed down" by exposing it to "dumb people". it doesn't work like that. science never "gets dumber", don't worry. science has been constantly and consistently improving and we've been getting better at it. calm down, everything is going to be okay. there's no need to get mad at michio kaku
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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: Envix]
#19281889 - 12/16/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Envix said: you're deluded. i don't think you understand what draws people's attention. or how attention works and how attention drawing and thought enciting can lead to divergent inquiry in people's thought processing.
of course "Science" is a label. it's a label used to describe the intellectual inquiry of the natural universe. it's not being "thrown around" any more than any other word is. you seem to be the one putting the word up on some kind of pedestal. only an elitist doof would believe that science could be "dumbed down" by exposing it to "dumb people". it doesn't work like that. science never "gets dumber", don't worry. science has been constantly and consistently improving and we've been getting better at it. calm down, everything is going to be okay. there's no need to get mad at michio kaku
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It's both at the same time!
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mjmihalov said: Yeah, I don't think he's all that egotistical really, he just knows what he's talking about so it may come off that way.
But so often he doesnt... Look at how he botches evolution:
Suffice it to say, I am not a fan. As the years go on, I am less and less of a fan. He over sensationalizes and opines on fields he is not an expert in. I posted a bit about him here; http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19267033#19267033
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i must say NDT is much more creative and linguistically expressive than Kaku, but that doesn't make him better or smarter necessarily. Michio Kaku may be redundant for a reason, maybe he has poor social skills? a common trait of your typical string theorist. however it may appear in the media, they are both brilliant minds and criticizing their efforts to popularize scientific thought will do nothing for people or science.
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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: Envix] 1
#19282108 - 12/16/13 01:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Envix said:Michio Kaku may be redundant for a reason, maybe he has poor social skills? a common trait of your typical string theorist.
Not in my experience... Where do you get this idea that string theorists have poor social skills? You're not basing your perception of physicists on the Big Bang Theory TV show are you?
I prefer Neil DeGrasse Tyson because he doesn't bullshit as much. He doesn't over sensationalize for ratings or preach about areas that are not his expertise.
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mjmihalov said: Yeah, I don't think he's all that egotistical really, he just knows what he's talking about so it may come off that way.
But so often he doesnt... Look at how he botches evolution:
Suffice it to say, I am not a fan. As the years go on, I am less and less of a fan. He over sensationalizes and opines on fields he is not an expert in. I posted a bit about him here; http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19267033#19267033
You wanna explain exactly how it is he 'botches' evolution? The only claims he makes in that clip in no way go against what our study of evolution and Paleontology show us.
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i never got all the michio kaku bashing. yeah it sucks he's anti-drugs and over-sensationalizes, but at least his enthusiasm draws attention. i know it does because it drew my attention. i don't pay much attention to michio kaku now, but i'll always respect him for sparking my interest enough to go off and explore science in my own way. i didn't reallllly become interested in science to be honest, until i was in highschool and read his "physics of the impossible". i didn't realize until reading that book the potential that science could offer to the world. he breaks it down really well, the kind of things that are scientifically possible/impossible, and scientifically probable/improbable.
anyway, i don't know much more about him apart from that book, so i won't comment much else about him. but he was the guy who got me super excited about learning science and pursuing my own scientific interests (now cognitive/computer science and BMI neuroscience).
NDT stretched my interests even further. do not criticize that which can incite curiosity and wonder in the natural world, whatever form it may take. it could be a little kid's fascination in poop that leads him to one day cure colon cancer. just because you deem it "distasteful" in some way does not make it any less valid as a "scientific influence"
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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: Envix]
#19284538 - 12/16/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Envix said: you're deluded. i don't think you understand what draws people's attention and how attention works. attention drawing and thought-inciting can lead to divergent inquiry in people's thought processing.
I'm deluded? Lol, I'm not the one spouting nonsense and misleading information. That would be Kaku and you by proxy for advocating for him.
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Envix said: only an elitist doof would believe that science could be "dumbed down" by exposing it to "dumb people".
Where did I say science could be dumbed down by exposing it to "dumb people" Now you're putting words in my mouth and completely misrepresenting my position. My point was that as Science! is championed in popular culture, because it's cool and intellectual and gives people a dogma alternate to religion, it gets diluted and the general concept of what constitutes science is dumbed down, especially when various "experts" and media purposefully dumb it down because they don't believe that people have the ability to understand concepts and data so it gets packaged into neat little pop consumables and memes for people to click thumbs up on social media.
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Envix said: science never "gets dumber", don't worry. science has been constantly and consistently improving and we've been getting better at it. calm down, everything is going to be okay. there's no need to get mad at michio kaku
Politics and pop culture stupidity do in fact damage the public perception of what constitutes "science" and the scientific method itself, which should be based on empirical observation. Instead, people take away ideas, like Kaku's butchering of concepts, and rely on appeals to authority and peer review instead of researching, thinking and understanding for themselves. That's cute that you became "super excited about learning science" by reading Kaku but it doesn't mean that everyone should be expected to champion his nonsense. You might want to confirm for yourself any understanding you think you've gleaned from Kaku considering that much of his information is dubious.
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In my opinion, in the realm of science popularizers, Carl Sagan is number one, followed by NDT then Michio Kaku.
Those involved in science tend to be divided, in my experience, between those that detest the science popularizers and those that support them. I definitely support them.
I love what I do, and without being inspired by some of Carl Sagan's books and "the cosmos" tv series I honestly doubt I would have pursued science in the way that I have.
I am for the science popularizers. I understand disliking the way it makes people believe things simply because Science. But, honestly those people are gonna blindly believe anything anyway I think a world where most people believe a botched version of the Big Bang theory (not the show...) is preferable to to blindly believing god made the world in seven days because a book said so.
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DieCommie said: Making up jargon outside of your field of expertise is usually reserved for crackpots and posers.
really i thought it was cool to make up new words xD
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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: g00ru]
#19285159 - 12/16/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My main qualm with Michio Kaku is how he sometimes misrepresents his ideas as facts. I've seen documentaries where he describes what extra dimensional worlds would look like, and that is in the realm of science fantasy/fiction IMO. He has books on the subject too I believe. It is impossible to comprehend what anything in higher dimensions look like. Any attempt to do so is pure speculation. So in a way, I feel he is using his standing as a physicist to sell science fiction.
I found the documentaries he was in to be interesting though, so I'll give him that.
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MisterSandman said: neil degrasse tyson> michio kaku
Sean Carroll>Neil Degrasse Tyson>Michio Kaku
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MrBlueYoMind said: My main qualm with Michio Kaku is how he sometimes misrepresents his ideas as facts. I've seen documentaries where he describes what extra dimensional worlds would look like, and that is in the realm of science fantasy/fiction IMO. He has books on the subject too I believe. It is impossible to comprehend what anything in higher dimensions look like. Any attempt to do so is pure speculation. So in a way, I feel he is using his standing as a physicist to sell science fiction.
I found the documentaries he was in to be interesting though, so I'll give him that.
I agree completely. He totally misrepresents theories just to sell them.
Still I think it's better than more fucked up reality stars n stuff
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i enjoy how he actually talks about humanity's distant future a la Carl Sagan.
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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: Viveka]
#19285562 - 12/16/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Viveka said:You might want to confirm for yourself any understanding you think you've gleaned from Kaku considering that much of his information is dubious.
i didn't say kaku taught me anything, i said he was an influence in exciting a personal scientific interest in me, one of many influences. for that reason i respect him, and he's probably done that for a lot of other people too. i know the wu tang clan have influenced people to become scientists, because they get fan mail from scientists about that exact thing. all i'm saying is that you're wrong to discredit someone's attempts at popularizing science by proclaiming their efforts are somehow toxic to society, just because you don't agree with how they conduct their information.
there are more important people to criticize. why the hell are you wasting time and attention on a scientist who's main passion is to incite scientific interest in society. why don't you criticize the oil companies or the textile industries or the automotive industries or the energy companies which are all seriously suppressing scientific advancement on massive scales, only to maintain the current paradigm and power structure. why don't you criticize the military industrial complex for sucking up the majority of our nation's wealth that could be better spent on improving our technology for the betterment of society, just as what michio kaku tries to talk about all the time mainly, and then gets derailed, criticized, misinterpreted, and misrepresented for things that are nothing but trivial in the bigger picture.
such is the society we live in
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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: Envix]
#19285659 - 12/16/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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why don't you criticize the oil companies or the textile industries or the automotive industries or the energy companies which are all seriously suppressing scientific advancement on massive scales, only to maintain the current paradigm and power structure. why don't you criticize the military industrial complex
Because this thread is about Michio Kaku. I came into it with an open mind with no real opinion on Kaku either way until I saw him spewing nonsense in one of the videos I watched.
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