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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: ModestMouse] * 2
    #19280085 - 12/15/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What he said


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: ModestMouse] * 1
    #19280095 - 12/15/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: ModestMouse] * 1
    #19280143 - 12/15/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm on my phone so I'll be quick...
Zappa: some of those things aren't true stop listening to politicians with oil tycoon buddies. It's the politicians here in AUS dismantling anything to do with climate change I'm sure it's the same in most countries. Anything international is always grounded in politics. Stick to scientists.
Prisoner: You haven't provided anything at all to back up your argument. You're acting like a troll.

Edit: added detail for clarification


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: ModestMouse] * 1
    #19280151 - 12/15/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Truth....



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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19280218 - 12/15/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner: You haven't provided anything at all to back up your argument. You're acting like a troll.






neither has the IPCC

of course you didnt read the links provided because they'd show you that I did


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: P-O]
    #19280226 - 12/15/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Truth....







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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: illa]
    #19280235 - 12/15/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130311091313.htm

As someone is who quite ignorant with the global warming debates, can someone enlighten me on what this means? Were we the ones who caused it's depletion? Have greener energy tactics caused a recovery process?




Nothing to do with warming.  Supposedly it was caused by CFCs (common aerosol propellants) which were restricted
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If anybody has ever been to China, they know the toll human pollution can have. I'm not one to say that an entire country of smog is going to destroy our atmosphere, but either way, we need to fix a massive problem with our species.




I suggest you go protest in China and see where that gets you.  They have no intention of stopping anything until their people riot and kill the leaders in their beds.  They've done it before.





I don't intend to go anywhere that considers a pack-of-smokes-a-day air habitable haha.




I suspect the pack a day thing would be the least of your worries


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: ModestMouse]
    #19280264 - 12/15/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm on my phone so I'll be quick...
Zappa: some of those things aren't true stop listening to politicians with oil tycoon buddies. It's the politicians here in AUS dismantling anything to do with climate change I'm sure it's the same in most countries. Anything international is always grounded in politics. Stick to scientists.
Prisoner: You haven't provided anything at all to back up your argument. You're acting like a troll.

Edit: added detail for clarification




I do stick to scientists.  They do not universally accept AGW and they have told me that CO2 concentrations are measured in hundredths of a percent, polar ice has not disappeared, climate change is a constant and their computer models have not accurately predicted anything.  You say anything international is political and yet you cited the IPCC as an authority on science

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:lol:Not much effort put into it but funny nonetheless


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19280321 - 12/15/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If a panel of a thousand climate scientists can't convince but financial publications can then something is wrong.

Still waiting Prisoner :pm: me when you get there


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19280360 - 12/15/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If a panel of a thousand climate scientists can't convince but financial publications can then something is wrong.

Still waiting Prisoner :pm: me when you get there





what panel of a thousand climate scientists?


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19280373 - 12/15/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

When you consider all the scientists who are receiving soft grants to provide positive proof of climate change, those numbers become meaningless.

Cigarette companies hire scientists to do studies that prove that cigarettes aren't bad for you, aren't addictive, and don't cause cancer, and guess what. Their studies by the way they are structured prove those exact points. Of course it isn't true, but that doesn't mean the studies can't be structured to get to a predetermined conclusion. They're being paid by the cigarette company, so they work for them. Exactly how the "climate scientists" who are funded by the billions of dollars poured into climate change research are coming to conclusion which align with those who give them their paychecks.

It's really not all that hard to understand.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19280437 - 12/15/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If a panel of a thousand climate scientists can't convince but financial publications can then something is wrong.

Still waiting Prisoner :pm: me when you get there



You can't refute a single fact I posted?  Not even one?


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19280473 - 12/15/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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When you consider all the scientists who are receiving soft grants to provide positive proof of climate change, those numbers become meaningless.

Cigarette companies hire scientists to do studies that prove that cigarettes aren't bad for you, aren't addictive, and don't cause cancer, and guess what. Their studies by the way they are structured prove those exact points. Of course it isn't true, but that doesn't mean the studies can't be structured to get to a predetermined conclusion. They're being paid by the cigarette company, so they work for them. Exactly how the "climate scientists" who are funded by the billions of dollars poured into climate change research are coming to conclusion which align with those who give them their paychecks.

It's really not all that hard to understand.



People disclose any biases as required. It is easy to track the cigarette companies doing what you describe and the same goes for any other study.

Zappa: You haven't posted facts to support your argument. But if you had, I can't. I can point you to people who can. But you don't seem like you want to get involved in reading it. But if you like check out @DoctorKarl on twitter.

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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19280492 - 12/15/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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People disclose any biases as required. It is easy to track the cigarette companies doing what you describe and the same goes for any other study.






really? what panel of a thousand climate scientists?


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19280507 - 12/15/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't twitter.  Twitter is for retards with no attention span

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/23/getting-very-close-to-meeting-santers-17-year-warming-test/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/09/23/antarctic-sea-ice-hit-35-year-record-high-saturday/
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
The mole fraction is expressed as parts per million (ppm). Example: 0.000400 is expressed as 400 ppm.

Why can't you point me to people with facts to refute mine?


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19280538 - 12/15/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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People disclose any biases as required. It is easy to track the cigarette companies doing what you describe and the same goes for any other study.






Exactly, because other scientists who aren't funded by the cigarette companies run the same studies and come to different conclusions. Generally speaking you'll get something a little closer to the truth because they come from an unbiased standpoint. A system of checks and balances so to speak.

I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.

Climate change research/funding is estimated to be around 4 billion dollars a year.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19280544 - 12/15/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i knew i would get a reply something like this.

i believe in solutions to problems, not excuses for them.

go grassroots, get like-minded people heavily involved in PTA.
education is a liberal priority because liberals make it a priority.
if conservatives would focus their energy on such social issues instead of war, profits, corporate welfare, "drill baby, drill", gay marriage, distraction, distraction, distraction, they could get the real change that they wanted on these social issues.





To be honest the line between democrat/republican has blurred so badly in the last few years I don't know which way is up anymore. You got democrats cutting funding to education and welfare programs, republicans proposing gun control legislation, and everybody pointing there finger at somebody else for the problems at hand. Personally I think the differences between the parties are dissipating and the whole group is slowing merging into a single agenda.








I couldn't agree more.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: broken]
    #19280552 - 12/15/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree too.  But they aren't merging in a good way.  Politicians of both parties are starting to act as if government control of everything is good.  When you're a hammer everything looks like a nail.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: zappaisgod] * 3
    #19280602 - 12/15/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, a logical well stated post from Zappa.
The end is near.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19280634 - 12/15/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Jonny - are you able to show vested interest in proving AGW is real? I'd be keen to see it :smile: it doesn't seem as obvious as the interest in dis-proving.

Zappa- I'll be back in a few hours with some peer-reviewed gear for you. Don't have access as I'm still on my phone... Sorry :frown:

Mean while you could get a twitter account, it's a very long opinionated conga line, you'll fit right in :lol: follow me and I'll follow back same handle as my shroomery name :wink:


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