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single cake spawned to only verm?
#19280567 - 12/15/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I read it was a good idea to spawn cakes to only verm to reduce risk of contam while making a casing to increase yield. I spawned one cake to a little container about 12 by 6 and 4 inches deep. I layed the verm out an inch or so deep and crumbled the cake over it and covered that with more verm, After about a week it showed signs of aerial myc growth, and after about a week of watching that grow and spread over the surface I noticed the entire contents was lightly held together by the invisible growth throughout which I can't see, even from the bottom no white can be seen, and its going on 3 weeks. I patched the growth with light verm to even out the rest of the growth but I am just wondering how long I am going to be waiting for this. any advice appreciated.
I have it in complete darkness, sides of container blacked out so no side pinning, and the humidity is always at 90%, temp usually around 75 deg F. Thanks for any help in advance!
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19280576 - 12/15/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know where you read all that but I think you're going to have to start over on this one.
We roll PF cakes in verm after we take them out of the jar they get dunked for ~24 hours then rolled in verm. The verm sticks to it and that's like a casing.
You could put them in a tray crumbled up and case them too but a casing layer is 1/4-1/2 inch thick and it goes on top.
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19280578 - 12/15/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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for future refrence there's no need/benifit to crumbling cakes and casing them, and you really only need to let it sit for a couple days and fruit it. light doesn't cause side pins, the micro climate between the container and the sub does
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: cronicr]
#19280586 - 12/15/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That too ^
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19280795 - 12/15/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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so Is there anyway to save this, I mean it is growing? so is it going to work? should I just put it in light now and see what happens?
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19280799 - 12/15/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psychotikfuck said: so Is there anyway to save this, I mean it is growing? so is it going to work? should I just put it in light now and see what happens?
it's always worth a shot i guess
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19280877 - 12/15/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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in lower right corner i scraped away the top layer and you can see its chunks of myc, so it's working, but slowly, should I just induce pinning and leave it out in the light? cause I did dunk the cake before breakng it up, idk, guess I should of just fruited it. damn.
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19280990 - 12/15/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If it seems to still be growing I'd treat the verm as a bulk substrate and let it colonize to 100%, if it's not growing then it can't hurt to fruit it. Vermiculite is nutritious, but likely not a very balanced diet for mycilium so maybe that's why it stopped colonizing it? Generaly myc will colonize anything that's wet though if only to grab the moisture which is probably where most of your benefit here will probably be with the verm. If it does work out successfully you might actually get a lot more out of the cakes by spawning them simply because the vermiculite will provide a lot more moisture than small pf cakes can.
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: krypto2000]
#19281035 - 12/15/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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just fruit the thing! crumbled cake with verm on top= fruit that thing! since your verm is your casing you should have fruited it at about 20-30 percent colonization
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19281087 - 12/15/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Verm has some minerals that mycelium can use, thus it's a bulk substrate ingredient and also the reason we mix rice flour with it for brf cakes. However, brf cakes are already 2/3 verm. Now, you've essentially made a cake that's 9/10 or more verm.
Fruit it, but don't expect much. Next time, mix some manure or coir with that verm. RR
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19290153 - 12/17/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Verm has some minerals that mycelium can use, thus it's a bulk substrate ingredient and also the reason we mix rice flour with it for brf cakes. However, brf cakes are already 2/3 verm. Now, you've essentially made a cake that's 9/10 or more verm.
Fruit it, but don't expect much. Next time, mix some manure or coir with that verm. RR
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RogerRabbit said: Verm has some minerals that mycelium can use, thus it's a bulk substrate ingredient and also the reason we mix rice flour with it for brf cakes. However, brf cakes are already 2/3 verm. Now, you've essentially made a cake that's 9/10 or more verm.
Fruit it, but don't expect much. Next time, mix some manure or coir with that verm. RR
yeah I guess I just rushed into this cause I didn't have any plans with this cake. but even since I set it out without the lid on it under a light you can see the entire contents getting more solid, its almost like the myc is so invisible underthe verm you cant tell, but I disected a whole entire chunk froma corner just to make sure it was growing densely and it for sure is.
Should I leave the light on it without a lid on or put the lid back on? also should I mist? I have never fruited like this, only in FC's
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck] 1
#19294126 - 12/18/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I put it in the light, humudity dropped, I think growth is going to just stop, but an experienced friend told me to leave it in the light and just induce pinning. =( wish I could get more input on how to fruit it, any help appreciated
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19294156 - 12/18/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psychotikfuck said: I put it in the light, humudity dropped, I think growth is going to just stop, but an experienced friend told me to leave it in the light and just induce pinning. =( wish I could get more input on how to fruit it, any help appreciated
I'd put it in a SGFC quick. Light acts as a secondary pinning trigger. You need FAE and humidity to induce pinning.
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Edited by TheMaster (12/18/13 04:50 PM)
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: TheMaster]
#19294207 - 12/18/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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well the tub its in already acts like SgFC with the lid on it, i even have a humidity gauge on the lid, and with the lid on, I'm able to get up to 60-75% humidity but don't I need it at around 90%? I had a heater available when it was colonizing in the dark area. might have to move my space heater over in the lighted area now.
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19294286 - 12/18/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psychotikfuck said: well the tub its in already acts like SgFC with the lid on it, i even have a humidity gauge on the lid, and with the lid on, I'm able to get up to 60-75% humidity but don't I need it at around 90%? I had a heater available when it was colonizing in the dark area. might have to move my space heater over in the lighted area now.
SGFC will eliminate these issues. People fruit trays in them all the time.
If the lid has holes in it you are drying out your substrate (pinning trigger yes) and would need to mist frequently to maintain humidity and moisture levels. If your lid doesn't have holes then make some. A SGFC is still your best bet at success.
As long as you are comfortable so are the mushrooms. A space heater would only be needed if it was very cold inside. They will grow more slowly at colder temps but I've seen no issues between 60-80°.
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: TheMaster]
#19297751 - 12/19/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm just going to mist in the tray under light I guess from time to time, I have a FC but it has perlite from my last grow in it and I can't sterilize it at the moment and clean it out, have guests over. I really hope some pins pop up from the top layer of verm within the next few days.
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19297756 - 12/19/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Y sterilze the perlite....its a rock
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: cronicr]
#19297987 - 12/19/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I want to sterilize the entire FC it's been sitting in dust forever.
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19298188 - 12/19/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psychotikfuck said: I want to sterilize the entire FC it's been sitting in dust forever.
When the sun shines in through your window if you look at it the right way you'll see 1000000s of dust particles that you breathe in every second. As long as it's not nasty and shit you should be good to go. Just put the whole SGFC in the tub and turn the shower on for a bit to rehydrate it and clean any excess dust.
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19298282 - 12/19/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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alright I'll try it.
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19301074 - 12/20/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19301099 - 12/20/13 02:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: cronicr]
#19301628 - 12/20/13 06:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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take that as a good sign lol
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19301660 - 12/20/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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make sure to keep your humidity up....mist and fan will promote pinning
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: 1down5up]
#19301680 - 12/20/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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since I put in FC humidity has gone from 40 to 86 and has been fluctuating between 81 and 86, but I put a space heater near it on low and have been fanning and misting about 3 times daily. still have this feeling inside myself the myc is gonna try to colonize everythingbefore pinning
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19301693 - 12/20/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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get rid of the heater, at least move it away from your FC...better to up the ambient temp of the room than the temp of your FC. THe extra heat may be drying up your cakes...the reason why your humidity is low.
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: 1down5up]
#19301767 - 12/20/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Perhaps try mixing some properly pasteurized substrate in and letting THAT colonize? Seems you've been at this for a while..hope you have other projects running. Seems at this point that verm has likely taken on LOTS of bacteria and spore so mixing in bulk at this point would invite all of that to germinate...that would be bad...and smelly...
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: 1down5up]
#19303363 - 12/20/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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it's just far away enough to not effect the FC, I made sure of that
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19303380 - 12/20/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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just keep up with your misting and your rh will be fine
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: Nakor420]
#19303390 - 12/20/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Actually haven't been into this very long, I have fruited 2 BRF cakes, and am moving into the bulk growing arena, which is why I started out with this little tub, my next project I am going with the big tub, bricks of coir and rye bags most likely, less work and more yield from what I have seen and heard. I don't have my own place yet but when I eventually get one I'm setting up a room just for mycology, it's something that really interests me beyond tripping balls lol
by the way, since putting that space heater about 3 feet from the FC which is raised on top of jars, the humidity has risen to 90% and the temp is now at 67.9 deg F, definitely getting better.
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19303405 - 12/20/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: cronicr]
#19303807 - 12/20/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Excellent
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: 1down5up]
#19307125 - 12/21/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19312055 - 12/22/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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NO pins yet... I feel like there should be something by now..
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19312073 - 12/22/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psychotikfuck said: NO pins yet... I feel like there should be something by now..
they always do...lol, patients
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: cronicr]
#19322314 - 12/24/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psychotikfuck said: NO pins yet... I feel like there should be something by now..
they always do...lol, patients
I don't think it will
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Re: single cake spawned to only verm? [Re: psychotikfuck]
#19324514 - 12/25/13 06:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's not fruiting cuz you're watching it....they're like santa clause....just forget about it, and the next thing you know, they'll be here.
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