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How far are you willing to go?
    #19280081 - 12/15/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

To achieve those things you want in life?

I'm so tired man, and I don't see it getting any easier. That doesn't matter though, not if I really want what I think I do.

The road to success is a lonely one, few people are going to be able to come with you. Your not going to be able to sleep 8 hours a night, your going to be tired... Some days you'll make excuses and try to skip out on doing the things you know you should be doing, those are the days that will really test you.

The place you are now, you won't be in forever... But you'll need to change something to get to were you want to be one day. This is so hard, changing who you are is not easy and people are not going to understand. I wish I could say it will get easier, or that you can take a break but you can't.You can't stop because once you do it's that much harder to keep going. Every single day you need to get it done, your life needs to become your dream; <----and this.... Most won't understand.

Every day adds up, if you can get 1% closer day by day it will compound and become more.

I'm trying every day, and some days I fail. I fail more then I succeed sometimes.. I don't ever give up though.


I hope you find something from this thread, as I find reason in writing it. It helps me and I hope you feel something from it.

“When you change the way you look at things the things you look at change.” Wayne W. Dyer











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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: The5thElement]
    #19280090 - 12/15/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Green Day of all bands had a lyric that sounded;

" If it is not worth dying for, it aint worth fighting for"


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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: Icyus]
    #19280098 - 12/15/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just read Duff Macagen's autobio and that fucker was a hard worker. You should read it.


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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: eve69]
    #19280108 - 12/15/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I will check him out, thank for the suggestion :thumbup:


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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: The5thElement]
    #19280111 - 12/15/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Is it called "It's so easy, and other lies" ?


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    #19280183 - 12/15/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not far at all, nowhere, because I don't need to. It's all right here in the present moment, right now.

If the success I desired were to put me through gruesome boring fucked up experiences for years and years, then I would say that's not the right type of success for me.

The right kind of success, that's optimized for you personally, is something that doesn't come hard to you. I for one want to be a great artist some day. That requires endless practice. It's not boring for me, nor do I struggle the way I struggled in other fields of work I had before, that didn't fit me.

I've tried the struggle way and it didn't work. I doubt it will ever work, for anyone. Whatever your chosen skill or career, go for it, find pleasure in it and do it with all the joy you can every day. There's a balanced way FOR YOU of doing your own success. Find it, live it and thrive in it.

Good vibes :nyan:


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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: The5thElement]
    #19280229 - 12/15/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The5thElement said:
Is it called "It's so easy, and other lies" ?




yep


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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: Spacerific]
    #19280348 - 12/15/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Spacerific said:
Not far at all, nowhere, because I don't need to. It's all right here in the present moment, right now.

If the success I desired were to put me through gruesome boring fucked up experiences for years and years, then I would say that's not the right type of success for me.

The right kind of success, that's optimized for you personally, is something that doesn't come hard to you. I for one want to be a great artist some day. That requires endless practice. It's not boring for me, nor do I struggle the way I struggled in other fields of work I had before, that didn't fit me.

I've tried the struggle way and it didn't work. I doubt it will ever work, for anyone. Whatever your chosen skill or career, go for it, find pleasure in it and do it with all the joy you can every day. There's a balanced way FOR YOU of doing your own success. Find it, live it and thrive in it.

Good vibes :nyan:




I agree with most of what you said, and thank you for sharing as well. I enjoy what I do, I struggle with keeping up doing these things with working and finding time to sleep. I personally find motivation through hardships... If I didn't enjoy it I wouldn't do it.

The only thing I don't fully agree is that one can't find success through times of perseverance.. If that is what you meant. I may have misunderstood you if not.


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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: The5thElement]
    #19282031 - 12/16/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just have a problem with framing this success business, as a struggle. Like I want to have some stuff/object/skill in the future, and so I'll put myself through hardships now.

Many people put themselves through all kinds of things, trainings and feats of education and conditioning, in order to achieve whatever they want to achieve and feel drawn to.

That's great and joyous, when it is real and comes from within. All extraordinary skills and achievements require great activity to perfect. I just have a problem with associating that activity with unpleasantness and struggle and strain.

IMO once you find something that fascinates you, the training and pursuing of that thing is not at all a strain for you, as it might be for others who don't share your fascination. In fact, it becomes harder not to do it. You feel weirder not following your passion, than following it and putting in the hours
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and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: Spacerific]
    #19284081 - 12/16/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's worded quite well, makes me rethink my situation. I can't say I'm passionate about my goals, If I were to be honest I couldn't say I was 100%.. Which is kinda unsettling.The thing Is I believe I can be, but am not 100% right now if that even makes sense.


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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: The5thElement]
    #19284119 - 12/16/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's like if I didn't have to work, yeah the two things that I enjoy doing now... I could see doing all the time and becoming passionate about giving most my time perfecting those things.... But right now, I'm tired with work and with sleep and at the same time I have all these thoughts running through my mind.

I'm just trying to find reason in my day-to-day, maybe enjoyment is enough reason to do anything :shrug:

Life is so strange


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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: The5thElement]
    #19284389 - 12/16/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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maybe enjoyment is enough reason to do anything :shrug:




This right here. But it should be said right now I'm on a Bashar "follow your enthusiasm" trip, so take with a grain of salt and draw your own conclusions. Certainly doing work that you enjoy but pays less (right now) is better than doing better paying work you completely hate. For me it was at least. Not looking to get back on the rat race any time soon :biggrin:


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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: Spacerific]
    #19284413 - 12/16/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't agree with everything tony robbins says, but he's a damned good life coach.


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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: Spacerific]
    #19285256 - 12/16/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Spacerific said:
I just have a problem with framing this success business, as a struggle. Like I want to have some stuff/object/skill in the future, and so I'll put myself through hardships now.

Many people put themselves through all kinds of things, trainings and feats of education and conditioning, in order to achieve whatever they want to achieve and feel drawn to.

That's great and joyous, when it is real and comes from within. All extraordinary skills and achievements require great activity to perfect. I just have a problem with associating that activity with unpleasantness and struggle and strain.

IMO once you find something that fascinates you, the training and pursuing of that thing is not at all a strain for you, as it might be for others who don't share your fascination. In fact, it becomes harder not to do it. You feel weirder not following your passion, than following it and putting in the hours
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I get what you're saying, but not completely. Some things take pain, persistence, grit. Sometimes you need to force yourself into uncomfortable situations so that eventually you will adapt and change into the person you want to be.

Yeah you should be happy with where you're at, and yes your end goal should be something from the heart, but there's no substitute for hard work. Even enlightened folks who have learned to simply be in the present moment had to work to get there. Meditation isn't always a walk in the park.


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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: jimboob]
    #19285606 - 12/16/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I get all that, I am just wondering about the usefulness of emphasizing the hard, uphill and struggle aspects of the work, as opposed to its natural, normal and joyous parts.

I am a painter. I find pleasure in drawing painting color mixing sketching and so on and so forth. The more I recognize these things as useful, important and representative of who I am, the more I will enjoy doing them. Like any specialist in anything, I expect a great portion of my life to be poured into these ventures, because there's no other way.

Most of the stuff I learned was above and beyond what art school asked of me, and in fact I left there as I noticed most teachers didn't have an OK attitude to art instruction. But most of this stuff came from within. I felt like googling, downloading, testing, lurking, asking on forums, etc. I feel most of us have it in us to get naturally dedicated to some field or fields, and take those fields to incredible heights, because they become addictive and rewarding to practice.

The one obstacle to that is framing the whole endeavor as a struggle, instead of a fun rewarding game in the present moment.


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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: The5thElement]
    #19286357 - 12/16/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I feel ya here

Three years ago I started something that I will finish now.
It's what life's all about I think.


Keep at it :thumbup:


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Re: How far are you willing to go? [Re: Spacerific]
    #19290397 - 12/17/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I get all that, I am just wondering about the usefulness of emphasizing the hard, uphill and struggle aspects of the work, as opposed to its natural, normal and joyous parts.

I am a painter. I find pleasure in drawing painting color mixing sketching and so on and so forth. The more I recognize these things as useful, important and representative of who I am, the more I will enjoy doing them. Like any specialist in anything, I expect a great portion of my life to be poured into these ventures, because there's no other way.

Most of the stuff I learned was above and beyond what art school asked of me, and in fact I left there as I noticed most teachers didn't have an OK attitude to art instruction. But most of this stuff came from within. I felt like googling, downloading, testing, lurking, asking on forums, etc. I feel most of us have it in us to get naturally dedicated to some field or fields, and take those fields to incredible heights, because they become addictive and rewarding to practice.

The one obstacle to that is framing the whole endeavor as a struggle, instead of a fun rewarding game in the present moment.




Yeah that's a good way of putting it. I really like to write. I don't aspire to be a great writer or anything (although I still enjoy making up stories on the side) but I've always hated the structures of your average writing class...I've also taken drawing classes expecting to be set free on a blank page, instead I was forced into all these instructions. I can draw a mean flower pot now, but it didn't enhance my creativity.

Like you said it's all about how you frame it. I agree that if you frame whatever your doing as an uphill struggle, you may end up disappointed at the top. Nothing is ever exactly as it seems in your mind.


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