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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19279515 - 12/15/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Pretty sure it's global warming. What's that snow isn't warm! You're right. but when you put more into a system you will get bigger extremes while the "bugs" are being sorted out.

Right now the planet is freaking out every which way trying to figure out what to do with all this extra energy until our oceans absorb it and begin warming.





you mind showing us the conclusive proof of this claim as opposed to the
speculation and models/simulations that show nothing but what someone puts
into it, especially since your statements are contradictory to what's being
claimed by the IPCC





Don't be that guy who runs around saying AGW isn't real.






OK, I wont

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/16643-top-scientists-slam-and-ridicule-un-ipcc-climate-report

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/100413-673966-networks-embrace-catastrophic-warnings-latest-ipcc-report.htm

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And since you're the one holding the position with less evidence, please show me (actual scientific data, not from one of those conspiracy sites) that the things i have said are not happening. Please show me the statements from the IPCC that contradict what I have said.




for starters, the IPCC has been changing their model because over the last 15 years their predictions havent even come close, yes, predictions based on a computer model that already claims the oceans to have been warming, that claim the ice caps are shrinking but dont take into account the thickness of the ice which shows them to be growing


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I'm all for intelligent debate but this is not intelligible. Let's say that AGW isn't real and that it's all a massive hoax... Why would you not want to take better care of the planet by adjusting our way or doing just about everything to have less impact on our planet?
Change and be safe, and if it is not real and you changed anyway... Well congratulations of the massive leaps forward we have made in technology and co-operation.




non sequitor





You have shown no actual evidence. Don't hide being right wing gossip columns and call it science.

Please address my questions seriously if you are actually trying to convince my self and others here of your position.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19279551 - 12/15/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The IPCC is not a scientific body.  It is a political one.  There is not one utterance of theirs that I accept as science. 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/08/21/the-new-york-times-global-warming-hysteria-ignores-17-years-of-flat-global-temperatures/

No warming for 17 years.  Thousands of historic warming periods utterly unrelated to human activity since humans didn't exist.  Concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is measured in the hundredths of a percent and none of the highly touted computer models that these nimrods are making bank on have made any accurate predictions.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19279601 - 12/15/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Wait, isn't Forbes a financial publication?

You reject an environmental body's view of AGW but go to a financial rag as authoritative?

That's like going to a kids birthday party looking for information on car insurance.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: broken]
    #19279695 - 12/15/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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they're liberals arent they






Yes Prisoner, all scientists who disagree with your viewpoint are liberals :rolleyes:
Seriously - what is wrong with some people...





we were discussing his college professors





so all college professors are liberals?




did I say all? maybe you should link to the post so we can all enjoy it


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19279699 - 12/15/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Wait, isn't Forbes a financial publication?

You reject an environmental body's view of AGW but go to a financial rag as authoritative?

That's like going to a kids birthday party looking for information on car insurance.



Do you dispute any of the facts in the article or any of the facts I provided?


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19279706 - 12/15/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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because conservatives and right minded people don't fare well in the education community. They are forced to preach something they do not believe in and if they don't like it they are fired or ostracized.





yet conservatives have a better understanding of education than liberals


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Mescalean]
    #19279713 - 12/15/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Geo engineering. Obama. REPTILIANS



ENERGY COMPANYS


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19279714 - 12/15/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You have shown no actual evidence.





neither has the IPCC


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #19279716 - 12/15/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

TROLLS!!!


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19279822 - 12/15/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Wait, isn't Forbes a financial publication?

You reject an environmental body's view of AGW but go to a financial rag as authoritative?

That's like going to a kids birthday party looking for information on car insurance.



Do you dispute any of the facts in the article or any of the facts I provided?





I didn't read it, for the reason I mentioned. It is stupid talking to or taking the "professional" opinion of people on a given topic when they are not specialists in that field.

Dawkins did the same thing in his book "The God Delusion". He got an opinion of someone who works in Maths regarding anthropology and history. He fails to mention it in his book because it's so ridiculous to begin with to do something and the position he was pushing is not accepted as factual.

So in answer to your question... If the article is saying that global warming isn't real or that we haven't shifted its progress forward immensely then yes. I am happy that the "facts" are not worthy of your time or intellect


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19279875 - 12/15/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130311091313.htm

As someone is who quite ignorant with the global warming debates, can someone enlighten me on what this means? Were we the ones who caused it's depletion? Have greener energy tactics caused a recovery process?

If anybody has ever been to China, they know the toll human pollution can have. I'm not one to say that an entire country of smog is going to destroy our atmosphere, but either way, we need to fix a massive problem with our species.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19279883 - 12/15/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Blindness is a necessary trait for the alarmists to succeed.  You do know the following to be facts, right?

1.  There has been no warming for 17 years even as CO2 concentrations have continued to go up
2.  None of the alarmist's predictions have panned out.  There aren't more storms and the polar ice is not extinct.
3.  The IPCC is a political body.
4.  Climate change has always happened and will continue to happen as long as there is an earth.
5.  CO2 concentrations are measured in hundredths of a percent.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: illa]
    #19279895 - 12/15/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130311091313.htm

As someone is who quite ignorant with the global warming debates, can someone enlighten me on what this means? Were we the ones who caused it's depletion? Have greener energy tactics caused a recovery process?




Nothing to do with warming.  Supposedly it was caused by CFCs (common aerosol propellants) which were restricted
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If anybody has ever been to China, they know the toll human pollution can have. I'm not one to say that an entire country of smog is going to destroy our atmosphere, but either way, we need to fix a massive problem with our species.




I suggest you go protest in China and see where that gets you.  They have no intention of stopping anything until their people riot and kill the leaders in their beds.  They've done it before.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19279930 - 12/15/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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illa said:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130311091313.htm

As someone is who quite ignorant with the global warming debates, can someone enlighten me on what this means? Were we the ones who caused it's depletion? Have greener energy tactics caused a recovery process?




Nothing to do with warming.  Supposedly it was caused by CFCs (common aerosol propellants) which were restricted
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If anybody has ever been to China, they know the toll human pollution can have. I'm not one to say that an entire country of smog is going to destroy our atmosphere, but either way, we need to fix a massive problem with our species.




I suggest you go protest in China and see where that gets you.  They have no intention of stopping anything until their people riot and kill the leaders in their beds.  They've done it before.





I don't intend to go anywhere that considers a pack-of-smokes-a-day air habitable haha. I'm just using their state as an extreme example of what is a plausibility. I feel that before long it wont be individuals protesting, but entire countries getting pissed from smog winds traveling the planet.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19279938 - 12/15/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Wait, isn't Forbes a financial publication?

You reject an environmental body's view of AGW but go to a financial rag as authoritative?

That's like going to a kids birthday party looking for information on car insurance.



Do you dispute any of the facts in the article or any of the facts I provided?





I didn't read it, for the reason I mentioned. It is stupid talking to or taking the "professional" opinion of people on a given topic when they are not specialists in that field.





had you read the articles I posted then you'd certainly have seen that
professionals in the field were coming out against the AGW claim from the
IPCC and you'd have seen how the IPCC is changing their model to fit the
observations

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Dawkins did the same thing in his book "The God Delusion". He got an opinion of someone who works in Maths regarding anthropology and history. He fails to mention it in his book because it's so ridiculous to begin with to do something and the position he was pushing is not accepted as factual.




much like the IPCC and the global warming alarmist using politicians and the media to push their political/financial agenda

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So in answer to your question... If the article is saying that global warming isn't real or that we haven't shifted its progress forward immensely then yes. I am happy that the "facts" are not worthy of your time or intellect





you're willing to speculate on something you didnt read and clearly dont
have knowledge about yourself while claiming that something else you arent
actually versed in must be true because some group of government employees
are saying it is and their evidence is the presentation of a few graphs and
charts based on erroneous computer models which have them scrambling to
save face by changing the outcomes

nice... way to show us all


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19279980 - 12/15/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The Earth does a pretty incredible job of protecting itself. Notice the Ozone concentrations around areas of high pollution. I don't think you'll find a single person here that doesn't agree with the fact that pollution is a bad thing, and of course we should take measures to protect the earth and its resources. I just don't like the idea of information that is twisted and manipulated to fit an agenda before it is presented to the people.

I don't like the idea of people making money on scare tactics and threats. Nor do I like to be intentionally deceived. Perhaps that's why I'm so critical when it comes to both global warming and guns. The agenda is so ridiculously blatant that it's a slap in the face of the general public. They're taking us all for fools.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19279996 - 12/15/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

LOL, you're all fighting over a photoshopped pic.
Zappa and pris, nothing is ever black and white ... :sunny:


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    #19280022 - 12/15/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19280045 - 12/15/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The Earth does a pretty incredible job of protecting itself. Notice the Ozone concentrations around areas of high pollution. I don't think you'll find a single person here that doesn't agree with the fact that pollution is a bad thing, and of course we should take measures to protect the earth and its resources. I just don't like the idea of information that is twisted and manipulated to fit an agenda before it is presented to the people.

I don't like the idea of people making money on scare tactics and threats. Nor do I like to be intentionally deceived. Perhaps that's why I'm so critical when it comes to both global warming and guns. The agenda is so ridiculously blatant that it's a slap in the face of the general public. They're taking us all for fools.





Well said, I completely agree.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: KremrBigSikter] * 9
    #19280079 - 12/15/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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