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d0urd3n
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What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes)
#19277107 - 12/14/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Decent pinning. Mist plus fan 3 or 4 times a day. Proper lighting. Proper SGFC. Is it just the MS genetics? Am I misting too heavily? Perhaps this is normal but I see a ton of huge mushrooms on here. A decent number tore their veils and they are only about one inch tall maybe 1.5 by one inch caps. Maybe I am getting overly worked up about this? Maybe the other pins will do fine but it seems to be happening a lot like 5 or more mushrooms already none have gotten big. These are the first of the batch. Maybe the rest will get large but I am afraid they will all be small.
Thanks in advance for the advice.
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: d0urd3n]
#19277134 - 12/14/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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d0urd3n said: Decent pinning. Mist plus fan 3 or 4 times a day. Proper lighting. Proper SGFC. Is it just the MS genetics? Am I misting too heavily? Perhaps this is normal but I see a ton of huge mushrooms on here. A decent number tore their veils and they are only about one inch tall maybe 1.5 by one inch caps. Maybe I am getting overly worked up about this? Maybe the other pins will do fine but it seems to be happening a lot like 5 or more mushrooms already none have gotten big. These are the first of the batch. Maybe the rest will get large but I am afraid they will all be small.
Thanks in advance for the advice.
It could be contams but as always PIC'S Maybe???
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d0urd3n
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: HostileX420]
#19277218 - 12/15/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am quite positive its not contams. Looked perfect in the jars and colonized at a good rate. Have only been in the FC for four days.
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d0urd3n
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: d0urd3n]
#19278648 - 12/15/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ideas? Is this simply genetics?
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: d0urd3n]
#19278660 - 12/15/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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genetics, conditions/heavy misting too, contams, etc.. pictures
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: bodhisatta]
#19278671 - 12/15/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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again... (sorry op i've just seen this like 5 times this week, post a pic)
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: cronicr]
#19278694 - 12/15/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: again... (sorry op i've just seen this like 5 times this week, post a pic)

I've also seen this abnormally abundant this week. I wonder if it's due to a moon phase thing 
 but seriously it could be more than one reason or one of many reasons. Only pictures will help you get a reply you want to hear.
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: bodhisatta]
#19278815 - 12/15/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: d0urd3n]
#19278830 - 12/15/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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thats just a lack of moisture in your sub/genetics, larger fruits tend to come in later flushes
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: cronicr]
#19278832 - 12/15/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wouldn't think it would lack of moisture in the sub they were dunked for 25 hours?
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: d0urd3n]
#19278839 - 12/15/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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those look fine perhaps a tad dry. That's pretty OK for a PF cake. Sometimes they're bigger but with MS genetics it's pretty average. I wouldn't call those premature. You're not going to get forearm length cubes from cakes.
just to clarify you have quarter inch holes spaced in a two inch grid pattern on ALL six sides. 4-6 inches of moistened perlite. The SGFC is elevated off the ground and has ~6 or more inches of space on all the sides?
Keep up the good work 
also you probably don't have to edit your pictures in paint. No one is going to guess where you live if they see your bookshelf in the background.
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: d0urd3n]
#19278847 - 12/15/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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d0urd3n said: I wouldn't think it would lack of moisture in the sub they were dunked for 25 hours?
you did great man, no worries! genetics is all that is
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: cronicr]
#19278854 - 12/15/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
those look fine perhaps a tad dry. That's pretty OK for a PF cake. Sometimes they're bigger but with MS genetics it's pretty average. I wouldn't call those premature. You're not going to get forearm length cubes from cakes.
just to clarify you have quarter inch holes spaced in a two inch grid pattern on ALL six sides. 4-6 inches of moistened perlite. The SGFC is elevated off the ground and has ~6 or more inches of space on all the sides?
Keep up the good work 
Yep all of that is correct. First time so I guess I shouldn't be too picky. Its very enjoyable just marveling at them.  Quote:
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d0urd3n said: I wouldn't think it would lack of moisture in the sub they were dunked for 25 hours?
you did great man, no worries! genetics is all that is
Thanks much appreciated!
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: d0urd3n]
#19278860 - 12/15/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ah I was going to ask since there are no pins on that cake, all are mature would you go ahead and dunk just that cake right? I wouldn't think you would want to wait until the rest are done fruiting?
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: cronicr]
#19278870 - 12/15/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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d0urd3n said: I wouldn't think it would lack of moisture in the sub they were dunked for 25 hours?
you did great man, no worries! genetics is all that is
I think genetics is probably half of it, but moisture probably played a role. They're definitely getting plenty of FAE, so kudos to you for that. After this harvest pick 'em up and see if they feel light. If they do, dunk them again. No need to roll this time.
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: d0urd3n]
#19278875 - 12/15/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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any without fruits can be dunked, the ones with pins you can sit in a saucer of water through out the day or over night
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: d0urd3n]
#19278900 - 12/15/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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In my opinion your millage may vary with subsequent dunking of cakes. What works for me with cakes is a simple 2-3 hour soak after the first flush. I've had cakes get to soggy and perform sub-optimal with a long dunk for subsequent flushes. Like I said it's probably going to take some trial and error though to figure out what's going to work for you. Some people say it's black and white and have their dunk rules for cakes all set in stone, but I try to read my cakes, It's going to take practice and experience to get that feel for what a cake needs, but I think after harvesting those mature ones you could dunk for a few hours at least. I would probably skip the misting for a day then and resume the next day as usual. Alternatively, you could bottom water them like Cronicr said just use a plate or saucer of water to set them in. This sometimes helps if you have a huge pinset. You have to do some watering to support large fruits if you do in fact get genetics that are going to produce large fruits on PF cakes. Sometimes cakes need maintenance water during a flush but it's always hard to judge until you've done a lot.
Keep us posted.
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: bodhisatta]
#19278943 - 12/15/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Too dry, too wet, lol, I though too much air flow caused them to open earlier and drop their spores? Shows what I know. I guess, wait for a 'Trusted Guide' to lead you toward some sort of answer, or at least:
take my 2¢ w/ a grain of salt.
There's some knowledgeable folks here already.
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: d0urd3n]
#19279000 - 12/15/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What are you using for lighting?
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Re: What is causing premature veil tearing and how to stop it (cakes) [Re: SuperSillyUs]
#19279008 - 12/15/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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SuperSillyUs said: Too dry, too wet, lol, I though too much air flow caused them to open earlier and drop their spores? Shows what I know. I guess, wait for a 'Trusted Guide' to lead you toward some sort of answer, or at least:
take my 2¢ w/ a grain of salt.
There's some knowledgeable folks here already. 
too much air flow is great for mushrooms. We want as much airflow as possible without dropping humidity too much. It inhibits contamination, and FAE is a pinning trigger, Also mushrooms breathe O2 In CO2 out.
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