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No soak/simmer
    #19278858 - 12/15/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Whats everyones thoughts on this tek? Ive been using 400ml birdseed to 200 ml water when using a syringe and pressure cooking for 90 min, when pressure drops open and shake until everything is loose with no problems.

But lately ive prepared my jars like this and let them sit for a week without opening until I was ready for em and found the mean green inside, this common with the tek or do I have a faulty PC?


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: juggaloblink420]
    #19278868 - 12/15/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

be sure to vent the steam before putting your weight on, iprefer to soak/simmer for it's reduction of bursted kernels


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: juggaloblink420]
    #19278971 - 12/15/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have been using no soak no simmer for a long time, mostley because it clogs drains etc. If girlfriend can't take a shower because you put 100lbs of wbs through strainer and clogged the drain, your still eating pussy, it's just 2 days old.

So since only like fresh Pro-V pussy, I changed my method to this.

Fill Jars with 400ml wbs 180ml tap water'
Let them sit for 4 hours soaking in jar then shake
8 hours later load pressure cooker,
I still run my PC for 2 hours because I cut out rinse / some soak
This method still activates most of the endospores, some grains will not however which is why I run 2 hour pc runs.

WAY CLEANER AND EZ TO DO -- FUCK SOAK RINSE / SIMMER -- Less than 1% contam, which I linked to plastic lid w/ filter underneath no being able to release steam between lid and filter.

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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: LifeIzGood]
    #19279041 - 12/15/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

^^ One way to put it haha.

To my knowledge soaking for endospores was old info, I thought the idea was to just hydrate grain to not burst.


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: juggaloblink420]
    #19279044 - 12/15/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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^^ One way to put it haha.

To my knowledge soaking for endospores was old info, I thought the idea was to just hydrate grain to not burst.



thats exactly what it's for


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: cronicr]
    #19279063 - 12/15/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

To much old/bad info around anymore =/. So you think my issue isnt the no soak/simmer tek but the way I run my PC with the weight on from turn on to shut off?


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: juggaloblink420]
    #19279086 - 12/15/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yes you should be venting the steam for a few minutes before putting the weight on


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: juggaloblink420]
    #19279099 - 12/15/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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To much old/bad info around anymore =/. So you think my issue isnt the no soak/simmer tek but the way I run my PC with the weight on from turn on to shut off?




That's exactly why you fail.

You are building 15 psi of air pressure. What you want is 15 psi of steam pressure.  This means you have to leave the weight off for a few minutes after you see steam venting.  This gets rid of all the air in the pressure cooker, ensuring the entire area is saturated with steam.  At this point put the weight on to build pressure.

The method of simply putting grains and water in a jar to pressure cook is how we did it for decades.  We also had to deal with clumpy grains, a higher fail ratio, and slower colonization due to all the grain dust and dirt.  It isn't however the source of your contamination-that's your incorrect pressure cooker operation.
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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19279154 - 12/15/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm confused about the soak/simmer now.

Is soaking the grain, for slightly less than 24 hours to 'hatch' bacterial endospores so many of them can die during pressure cooking, 'old / wrong information'?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18198507#18198507 <-- FrankHorrigan (Trusted Grower) from seven months ago.


If done for less than 24 hours, does it increase contamination rates?


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: SuperSillyUs] * 1
    #19279265 - 12/15/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The mean green is a fungus, which doesn't hide in endospores, so my bet is on improper PCing.
PCing is all about internal jar temperature and since water holds and transfers heat better than air hydrating the grains before PC should allow a more even heat distribution in your jars to kill off everything.  Same goes for allowing steam to build up replacing the air.

Soak and simmer gives much cleaner and happier grains especially when using WBS.
If you are clogging drains you are doing something wrong, as you should only be dumping dirty water.


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: StygianKnight]
    #19279392 - 12/15/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There are little debris rocks etc in my seed. Doesn't all get caught, this I can be sure of, unless your filtering through coffee filters or something, but even smallest collander or screen lets stuff through, if you do it enough, drains clogged = dirty pussy. I'm sure that I didn't fuck up the draining of seed. If you live solo and don't have a bitch with long hair to help aid the clogging drain, I suppose i'm with you but add little rocks and seeds = clogged.

How is information regarding endospores out of date? Its a good while since I've been lurking here.

So soaking grains is for the SOLE purpose of proper hydration? Not releasing endoS?


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: LifeIzGood] * 1
    #19279535 - 12/15/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My understanding is that endospores are not an issue with Rye, but may or may not be an issue with WBS.
Endospores will show up as bacterial contams, not molds, which are the more common problem, so it seems that it may not be an issue with WBS either.
It's certainly possible to test this, do a half/half run in the PC then let them sit.

ETA: I rinse and soak by stirring the WBS in a large bowl then dumping off the top water, keeping all the seed in the bowl, then repeat a few times till the water is mostly clear, then soak for 8 hours (I haven't found any advantage to a 24 hour soak.)


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: StygianKnight]
    #19279678 - 12/15/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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FooMan said:
Quote:

likwid said:
grains need to be soaked so the endospores germinate, and become susceptible to the heat produced by a PC. If you were to PC first, you wouldn't kill the endospores, and steam sterilizing would probably not take care of the resulting contamination.





I'm tired of hearing people say that grains need to be soaked to kill endospores. If soaking exposes endospores so well, why don't we just soak our grains and steam sterilize them in a regular pot? It's the 250F of heat a PC provides that kills endospores in your grains, not soaking them.

Soak your grains to hydrate them, not to "germinate endospores".



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9586439#9586439

soak for hydration, pc for endo spores


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: cronicr]
    #19279703 - 12/15/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, soaking obviously won't kill them. That's just silly.
It's supposed to expose them so they can be killed by the pressure cooker.

Conflicting opinions online??:eek: Say it ain't so...


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: SuperSillyUs]
    #19279730 - 12/15/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i don't know where you see conflicting info at?:shrug:


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: SuperSillyUs]
    #19279755 - 12/15/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I believe it's found when I try to find an answer to this question:
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SuperSillyUs said:
I'm confused about the soak/simmer now.

Is soaking the grain, for slightly less than 24 hours to 'hatch' bacterial endospores so many of them can die during pressure cooking, 'old / wrong information'?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18198507#18198507 <-- FrankHorrigan (Trusted Grower) from seven months ago.


If done for less than 24 hours, does it increase contamination rates?




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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: SuperSillyUs]
    #19279758 - 12/15/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

no franks pretty much saying the same thing, soak too long and endo spores actually become a problem


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: cronicr]
    #19279771 - 12/15/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe I'm reading it wrong.

Quote:

One of the important things soaking your grains does is germinate bacterial endospores which can survive sterilization.
These endospores can recover in your grains even after PCing and cause bacteria problems later on.





Quote:

I'm tired of hearing people say that grains need to be soaked to kill endospores. If soaking exposes endospores so well, why don't we
just soak our grains and steam sterilize them in a regular pot? It's the 250F of heat a PC provides that kills endospores in your grains, not soaking them.

Soak your grains to hydrate them, not to "germinate endospores".





Although, I suppose it really doesn't matter. To me.
You still soak/simmer them either way, so... not trying to instigate anything...


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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19279840 - 12/15/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

to RR:

When you see steam venting, isn't that loss of air sufficient without taking the weight off?  My pc has the locking mechanism which is a metallic cylinder which rises up to seal the pc when the pressure goes up.  For a few minutes before it raises, it's leaking air and some water puddles up around it while it hisses.  Even supposing you didn't remove the air, I don't see why this would prevent steam from forming in the headspace of the pc.  Can you elaborate on this point?

My pc has a rocker/weight the pc you have in your videos has a different weight with markings "10" and "15", I don't have those, I only have the ability to do 15psi according to the manufacturer.
So the differences in the pc style may be causing some confusion?

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Re: No soak/simmer [Re: StygianKnight]
    #19280024 - 12/15/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for clearing that up and making sure I haven't gone batshit crazy, I use WBS and will continue to soak for endospores to become active, then pressure cook for 2hrs.

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