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Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT...
    #19278093 - 12/15/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Having gotten my hands on some changa at long last, I devoted yesterday to 3 failed attempts to break through.

Having gotten the hang of holding in breaths longer, and having learned how important it is to keep going without stopping between tokes, today I was able to get farther with 2 tokes than I had yesterday with three damn bowls.

The 1st toke saturated the colors and made angular things more angular (a neat effect I have noticed from shrooms).

The 2nd toke gave me an extremely intense physical sensation the likes of which I've never felt. Something like what I'd imagine it'd feel like to get caught with heroin at the Chinese border or something. I remember something similar when I tried Salvia D. before (and chickened out when shit got real), but nothing else has ever made me feel so uncomfortable.

I assume a 3rd similar toke would have brought me to the "geometric patterns" level, but it was so intense I just got scared and snapped myself out of it.

So I enjoyed some shroomy-CEVs, then I yawned a fuckton and got really cold.

I've done milligram+ doses of LSD and 14g of shrooms before so I feel like I should be ready, but maybe the Salvia traumatized me?

Anyway, would anyone care to encourage me by telling me that the intense sensation is normal, to stop being such a pussy and do it faggot, etc.?


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: richardj]
    #19278125 - 12/15/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Even after tons of heroic dose mushroom trips, it still doesn't really prepare one as to just how intense dmt is.

Remind yourself that this is a substance that is produced naturally by your own brain, and that many folks have done this and always returned safe and sound. Plus it will only last a few minutes.

So basically, just do it, and you will be fine  :awesomenod:


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: blckmynnse8]
    #19278355 - 12/15/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You will be fine

always wait an hour between attempts

You have nothing to fear but fear itself... Or did someone already say that


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: HarryL]
    #19278522 - 12/15/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Not like DMT is going anywhere. It doesn't 'expire' right?
My piddly advice: Don't rush it... enjoy it. Be safe. Comfortable.


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: SuperSillyUs]
    #19278536 - 12/15/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the intense sensation is normal, stop being such a pussy and do it faggot, etc.


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: D.M.T]
    #19278577 - 12/15/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Bad Trip City. Which in the long run just hurts the community.
It's almost depressing that, with all the access to information, to
supposedly informed advice, we've somehow ...still...ended up here.
Weird.


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: SuperSillyUs] * 1
    #19278690 - 12/15/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it's what he said he wanted to hear I jus copied and pasted :shrug:

I've never had a bad trip from DMT myself - more like "ok I'm ready for this to end now.. any minute now.. yup.." . it might be different for others but the fact its only 10-20 mins of effects make it seem rather hard to go too wrong for me. now DMT+syrian rue oral might be a little different but that's another discussion.

but ya I don't think OP is a moron I think he'll be alright if he just takes the third toke. if OP can handle 14 grams of shrooms he can handle DMT for sure. :smirk:


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: D.M.T]
    #19278697 - 12/15/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

lol, I missed that...Im just gonna shut up now... :uhoh:


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: SuperSillyUs]
    #19386260 - 01/08/14 01:33 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Holy hell.

I ended up having a few more wet feet trips, constantly telling myself I'd definitely break through the next time until low and behold I up and ran out of time (I had been spending a few months abroad because I don't have a way to safely obtain candy in my home country).

In said trips I continued to enjoy closed eye visuals, always including red rotating squares and cubes with white textures and vague and translucent but unmistakably female figures. It later occurred to me that the CEV ghosts were actually mimicking the motions I had recently seen my friend doing--dancing and packing a suitcase on respective occasions. In the strongest of these trips I also experienced some warping and wobbling of objects around me, including a plastic bottle which somehow intrinsically seemed to be a friend while the rest of the room was menacing.

Then I overslept on the day of my flight back to Boredsvania and as soon as I looked at the clock thought, "Oh shit I missed my chance to break through!"

Undeterred, I packed my bags with lightning speed and made time for one last shot. I then packed what I thought to be a foolproof if somewhat redundant bowl--changa covered with DMT and topped with yet more changa.

Although I knew I wasn't in the right state of mind, I took a few deep breaths, turned on my camera to record the goings on and took the first hit. The bowl was packed fuller than before and it did occur to me that I could end up getting a huge dose from one of the hits, but I foolishly kept going. Although the first few felt weak, I finally got a massive rip, presumably vaporizing most of the powder at once.

First, the world went all low-res and washed out, and then when it popped back all hell broke loose. Items in the room were zooming all around, swapping places with each other and changing sizes. I closed my eyes, hoping for more dancing ghost ladies but saw only darkness and felt compelled to reopen them.

I called my friend who was packing to come over. I begged her to snap me out of it as I watched her face morph back and forth between hot red meat and grotesque lifeless plastic, and then when she spoke I realized that time had sped up.

The speed of time was rapidly sliding around between maybe 150% and 500% of normal. I have experienced my share of time dilation, but never speeding up. It was terrifying, and I ran to the bathroom, ripped off my clothes and jumped in the shower in an attempt to "wake up" from the trip.

I feel like I took three or four showers, each time drying off and starting to leave the bathroom but then going back for another, but I'm not sure if my account is reliable. I may have just taken one, because the whole time I felt this loopy déjà vu feeling like I was reliving the same shower.

In any case, once time started to go back to normal I forced myself to keep packing and that was that.

I didn't break through in the sense I've read it described, but I think I may have dosed beyond that level and bypassed it.

So I guess the moral of the story is to not wait until the last minute.

Who knows when I'll have the next chance to try?

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SuperSillyUs said:
Not like DMT is going anywhere. It doesn't 'expire' right?
My piddly advice: Don't rush it... enjoy it. Be safe. Comfortable.




Well actually it was going somewhere--the trash if I didn't finish it all. I only have access to certain substances while on vacation and I've been on vacation for the last 6 months so it'll be a good long time before I get my hands on more.


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: richardj]
    #19386605 - 01/08/14 06:03 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Damn, this is so sad. I hope to learn from you. I mean I totally know the intense feeling you're talking about from salvia, and it scared me for a while too, but damn dude... you basically just pussyfooted around until you couldn't do it anymore. There's people that have been waiting years to try the shit and you just waste your opportunity like that. Man up next time.


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19386725 - 01/08/14 07:11 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Damn, this is so sad. I hope to learn from you. I mean I totally know the intense feeling you're talking about from salvia, and it scared me for a while too, but damn dude... you basically just pussyfooted around until you couldn't do it anymore. There's people that have been waiting years to try the shit and you just waste your opportunity like that. Man up next time.




Well to be fair I did man up in the end, just to unexpected results.
I'll probably get another hankering next year and force myself to tackle hyperspace again and have a rematch with salvia as well. I'm pretty hardcore with acid and shrooms but the onset of the smoked ones is just so sudden...


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: richardj]
    #19386746 - 01/08/14 07:25 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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Well to be fair I did man up in the end, just to unexpected results.
I'll probably get another hankering next year and force myself to tackle hyperspace again and have a rematch with salvia as well. I'm pretty hardcore with acid and shrooms but the onset of the smoked ones is just so sudden...




Well it's understandable. Hope you can get it together.

What kind of things did you see on these sub-breakthrough trips?


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19386832 - 01/08/14 08:07 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

My biggest problem with taking the 3rd toke is the time dilation that I experience. My music tends to go backwards but time seems to speed up.

Maybe I shouldn't have tried full spectrum for my first time, especially
from acacia confusa bark which is rich in NMT


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: Agentchewy]
    #19386857 - 01/08/14 08:19 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Part of the biggest benefit from doing dmt is it teaches you about fear.

Fear must be mastered.

Fear is what is holding you prisoner.

Be a man, not a wimp.

Suck in that third toke, and then do another.

You will discover your fears are only your own mind being a wimp.
Master you mind, and have another toke.

You might even find that it will make you feel so much like a man, that you will want to have another one.:pipesmoke:


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I broke through [Re: richardj]
    #19387382 - 01/08/14 10:48 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

I tried it once it was the most beautiful and humbling experience I've ever felt I felt I was with god then was shown the entirety of what exist .. I seen the multiverse with my soul! So amazing


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One toke tek [Re: Vitalux]
    #19390031 - 01/08/14 07:07 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Try a one toke tek like one of these below(or search for a few more), and you won't have to worry about taking a third hit. If you are a weed smoker just use a dry bong and the simple breathing techniques before you take the biggest bong rip of your career. Unexplainable blast off to follow!

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14251917#14251917
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15656024


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: richardj]
    #19390073 - 01/08/14 07:19 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

stop being such a pussy and do it faggot

lol jk. your post sounds almost exactly the same as my own dmt experience so far except for the body high description which I found to be intensely satisfying but just as powerful. i like your description of it though haha


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: richardj]
    #19397119 - 01/10/14 02:39 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Pretty much everyone is a bit nervous when they smoke DMT, no sweat! Sometimes when I want to have an experience but am feeling a little jittery I'll take a few big single tokes of changa over 15 minutes, to get on a level semi-trippy feeling, then i load up one massive dose and take it all in one and HELLO CARNIVAL LAND.

It's pretty hard for anyone to give specific advice on what to expect, and bearing that in mind don't let other trip reports etc freak you out.


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: richardj]
    #19397142 - 01/10/14 02:54 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Same with salvia for me

Only that I am too scared to take the first toke :-)

but after taking it I always ask myself why I waited 1-2 years to smoke it, why didnt I smoke it earlier?

I guess I doesnt like being dissolved


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: lessismore]
    #19397176 - 01/10/14 03:11 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Don't feel bad OP.  The first time I had access to it I could not make myself take that 3rd toke.  It took me years to get it again, and by the time I got ahold of it I was more than ready.
My advise is definitely learn to shut everything off.  Float downstream... Meditation has definitely helped me in this endeavour.
To me the neatest part of the DMT trip is the CEV's.  It's as if opening my eyes felt like trying to exist in 2 planes at the same time.  I think that's the reason for your time/reality distortions.  Close your eyes and accept what comes, learn to surf those waves.:awecid:


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: richardj]
    #19397825 - 01/10/14 08:24 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

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I didn't break through in the sense I've read it described, but I think I may have dosed beyond that level and bypassed it.





The level past breakthrough is....Nothing, nada, you will have no memory of anything. It will be like waking up from a very deep sleep before, in my experience, it all kicks off.

The fact that you could still function also tells me that you have not broken through (or gone past it) When you do breakthrough you will be nailed to whatever you are sitting/lying on.

You will also not need to ask anyone if you think you have broken through because you will without a shadow of doubt know:crazy:

Changa is a great way to start with DMT but you need to know how much DMT is in there. so you can weigh accurately. If a 1:1 ratio start with 40mg and work up in 10mg increments.

I vape straight and 30mg usually gives me a breakthrough experience. First toke hold for 10 seconds, second large and hold for as long as possible or you forget to breath.
Keep your eyes closed. Best of luck for next time and remember, what you are experiencing you are doing it to yourself:thumbup:


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: kerberus]
    #19398111 - 01/10/14 09:47 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

There will be no questions only answers


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: Bryan04]
    #19398127 - 01/10/14 09:52 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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There will be no questions only answers


Bullshit! :lol:  You only get more complicated questions outta that one.  It will get more and more bizaare, its the nature of the beast with tryptamines.


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19399671 - 01/10/14 03:25 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

if you got questions you will get bizarre answers

but if you got no questions you will just get answers, funny

just accept, dont trip to know the universe, dont expect anything


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Re: Too scared/intense to take the 3rd toke of DMT... [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19417965 - 01/14/14 03:48 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Thanks for all the input.

I'll have reason to travel abroad again this summer and this time no procrastination.

The FFW time scrubbing and teleporting objects were probably the craziest things I've ever experienced and I'm glad I did it, but next time I need to take advantage of DMT's lack of tolerance buildup and get on the horse as soon and often as possible.

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Well it's understandable. Hope you can get it together.

What kind of things did you see on these sub-breakthrough trips?




Apart from what I described above (sharp angles and saturated colors (exactly like shrooms) as well as wobbling and vague personification of objects in the room; and behind closed eyes humanoid figures, rotating cubes, etc.), I also remember seeing three times as much hair on my arms (very gross at first but then funny) and some gray web-like geometric patterns overlayed onto my skin like textures on a 3D model.

90% of the time there were no OEVs worth mentioning and I just chilled with the CEVs. I found the visuals at mild doses much closer to shrooms than acid (round and cloudy rather than angular and somewhat synesthetic), and of particular note was how sensitive the CEVs were to light levels.

As I tilted my head up toward the light they became stronger and more pronounced, and the vague shapes would be joined by more humanoids. And when I tiled my head back down away from the light they would fade in both clarity and complexity, sometimes with a sense that the beings were beckoning me not to leave them.

Ah, memories... Given an opportunity I would sacrifice a good deal for a visa to live in a more liberal country... Life is so boring without candy that I sometimes wish I had never discovered it and learned what I was missing.


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