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Anonymous #1

Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal)
    #19277867 - 12/15/13 06:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Did some research and the bulk prices for truffles are way cheaper than for single units.

Estimated profits:  truffels can sell up to 3-4x the bulk price
                    mimosa hostillis  up to 8-10 x the bulk price

A lot of these truffle online shops are sold out really often.

Would it be profitable to open your own magic truffle ONLINE WEBSHOP in the netherlands?
I have some special extras that make me better than the competition.

Can someone shed some light into this online business?


Edited by Anonymous (12/15/13 10:34 AM)


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Anonymous #2

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19277889 - 12/15/13 06:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think a dutch accountant or lawyer is who you need to consult.

Those truffles are interesting. I did some atl 7 truffles from multispore, but failed in their fruiting. I think they need a deprivation period from water before you moisturize them, to simulate natural fruiting conditions. And if you want the exact genetics of the truffle growers you can cut the truffle and put it on agar, clone it and fruit it out. Experiements bear out that even dried up truffles come back on agar, those tough little nuts is how actives survive drought conditions in the wild. :tripping:


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Anonymous #1

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #19277997 - 12/15/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

thanks

I would not grow them myself.Just buy in bulk and sell in smaller quantities.
Growing is fun if you do it for your own pleasure but when you have to scale it up its going to be a pain in the ass.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19278045 - 12/15/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've always found scale ups to be quite easy with mycology projects. Larger buckets for soaking grains, larger pressure cookers to hold more jars, and more innoculations. I could manage perhaps a couple gross of quart jars per day without too much work by having an assembly line type compartimentilization of tasks with work stations, and being limited mainly by the capacity of the pressure cooker. And doing stone makers all you really would need to do is warehouse the jars for a few months until they're ready. After you stabilized your supply for what your sales would be I don't think it would be more than a single person could do fairly easily. It might require one more person for cleaning the grains off the stones if you found it too slow going, but that's also easy work done with running water or a hose. And of course with a project like you're talking about, the lower the price of materials the better for your profit margin. I'm sure some similar method would be employed by whoever you'd be buying the stones from, except you'd be paying too much for their labor and materials which could all be your profit instead.


Edited by Anonymous (12/15/13 07:38 AM)


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Anonymous #3

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #19278322 - 12/15/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds a hell of a lot funner than working at wal-mart. I say go for it. Just make sure you have all your legal bases covered.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #19278335 - 12/15/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How cheap could you get them in bulk?

What will be your costs?
-Business registration
-Taxes
-Web architecture
-Shipping
-Advertisement

How much do you need to make?

Do some math, if it works you should be fine.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #19278351 - 12/15/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Actually, after giving it some more thought, I think there isn't much of a market.

There aren't that many Dutch people that buy truffles as grow kits for cubes are legal as well.

So, you are relying on tourists. They will buy out of the smart shops as they don't have a dutch address.


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Anonymous #5

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19278411 - 12/15/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Its an unstable market. Remember those FUCKING conservgatives outlawed shrooms years ago and this year they tried to neuter the coffeeshop canabis trade.

I expect truffels to become illegal at the tuirn of a leaf, all it takes is for the FUCKING CONSERVATIVES to need a quick score or an evasive manouvre and they will cite some tourist whgo went nuts on a cocktail of drugs in 1995 and bam!  illegal truffels.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #19278424 - 12/15/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Truffles will be hard to make illegal in the Netherlands.

They tried but there was some law issue that wouldn't allow them to make psilocybin containing truffles illegal without making edible truffles illegal as well.

This of course will never happen as the edibles are a delicacy.

This is the only reason psilocybin sclerotia are still legal whereas their above the ground relatives are not.

The aim was to make both illegal.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #19278644 - 12/15/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #4 said:
Actually, after giving it some more thought, I think there isn't much of a market.

There aren't that many Dutch people that buy truffles as grow kits for cubes are legal as well.

So, you are relying on tourists. They will buy out of the smart shops as they don't have a dutch address.




I also thought about selling mimosa hostillis rootbark
you can charge 3 times the bulk price for truffles
and 8-10 times for root bark

I also think that a lot of the customers will not be from the netherlands but rather from all around the world.

Does anyone has infomations about the demand cause that is the most important thing.


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Anonymous #5

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #19278684 - 12/15/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nope, the Opiumwet List II has a neat listing of all psychoactive species, all they need to add to that is "sclerotia thereof" and bam, selectively outlawed.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #19278748 - 12/15/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I checked and you're right... wonder where I picked up this myth??


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Anonymous #4

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #19278759 - 12/15/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Makes this law even more random and crooked.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #19279281 - 12/15/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

lets forget the truffele laws  for a second this is pure speculation
you have to use it as long as you can

I repeat:

Does anyone has infomations about the demand /is there a good market for it?
How many kilos do the current online shops send out every day?


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Anonymous #4

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19279496 - 12/15/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

From de Wolff's report that was issued when they were considering the ban of cubes:

(google translated)

Quote:

Question 6:

What is the frequency of the use in the land ?

answer:

To answer this question I have made ​​inquiries with Dr . I. P.
Shoot the Trimbos Institute in Utrecht . Through this research institute
done to the frequency of smoking, drinking , drug use and gambling in
students. For use in the general population ( 12-65 years ) are not
data . Recent published data for 1996 show that 4.3 % of 6,952
children surveyed had ever used . above 12 years ever ' magic mushrooms ' hereof
2.7% has done this once or twice : only 0.5 % reported more than ten times
to have used . toadstools

The month prevalence ' , which is the number of times used over the four weeks
prior to the interview , is 1.5 % . In comparison, cannabis is
10.7% , 2.2% for ecstasy and amphetamine 1.8% . From these data, I may
conclude that the fungi use among young people is low in the Netherlands ,
especially when I compare it with the data on tobacco and alcohol .
Fifteen percent of the young people over 12 years of daily smokers , one-third
them even more than 10 cigarettes per day . More than half (52 %) of these
young people say , having used alcohol. past 4 weeks




So 1,5% of the population aged between 12-65 has used mushrooms in the past month.

Assuming this figure is relatively constant throughout time and that all mushroom users have switched to truffles I will do a calculation:

About 12 million Dutch people are between 12 and 65 years of age.

1,5% of 12 million equals: 180,000 people used mushrooms in the past month.

Assuming that 15g is the average truffle dose:

180,000 * 15g = 2,700,000g/month

2700 kg/month

I also assume that the amount of homegrown (which would lower the estimate) cancels out the number of people that consume more than once a month (which would increase the estimate).


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Anonymous #4

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #19279519 - 12/15/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So if you go by this figure for demand, all that's left is figuring out which percentage sells online... I have no sources for making an estimate on that.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #19279617 - 12/15/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

anon 4 you seem to be an expert in this

so to summ it up 2700 kg a month only for the netherlands in 1996

there should be a chance to get some of the market share.
How many tuffle online webshops are out there and is there data about their sales?


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Anonymous #4

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19279624 - 12/15/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a google expert.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #19279649 - 12/15/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There are many, many online smartshops.

Azarius.nl is by far the largest and most well known.

If you'd somehow manage to find data on their sales you'd have great information.
I have no clue how you'd go about obaining that info though.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Opening Own Truffel Online Shop in the Netherlands ? (Legal) [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #19279961 - 12/15/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #4 said:
There are many, many online smartshops.

Azarius.nl is by far the largest and most well known.

If you'd somehow manage to find data on their sales you'd have great information.
I have no clue how you'd go about obaining that info though.




They dont ship their truffles worldwide.

Please note: We do not send fresh / herbal products to countries outside Europe. See our disclaimer for more information. Please also check if this product is legal in your country. We can definitely not ship this product to the following countries: "All countries except the netherlands"


You can extract the truffles moisture and dry & shred them into powder just like the normal mushrooms which should keep them good.

Why is no shop offering dryed & powdered truffles?

You cant be liable if the product is ordered by customers from countries where its illegal right?


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