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KremrBigSikter said: Libertarians are extremely capitalist and pro-free-market. How is that economically conservative?
Ummmmmm free trade and deregulation of the economy are most certainly conservative ideas
libertarianism is a conservative idea
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19274604 - 12/14/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Libertarianism is more purely conservative than conservatism
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19274688 - 12/14/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. Then you have the contributions of the opt out news media which is almost overwhelmingly liberal to go along with sycophantic hypocrites in the entertainment media. The younger generation has been sold a lie about what is and is not conservative by the enemy and this has engendered a complete lack of consideration of the real ramifications of encouraging and supporting those who will not work. Work is not play. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
This conservative doesn't think the government should be involved in either sanctioning or penalizing any marriage. That goes for the tax code especially. The only role government should have in marriage is to adjudicate its dissolution just as it does in any other contract dispute. I also believe that the nuclear family is the most effective form of social arrangement for the parties involved. The liberals are actively encouraging its dissolution through the welfare state and have been for decades. How's that working out? Drugs? Liberals want to prohibit big sodas. What drugs would you release from prohibition? This conservative would release them all. You should have the freedom to fuck yourself up and I should not be forced to help you if you do so. My sole duty should be to inform you that they may be harmful to your health. After that it is up to you. Go ahead and snort Peru. I don't give a fuck. Abortion? I have no conflict on this issue. Up to viability (which is going to continue to change) they should be permitted. That doesn't mean they should be funded by the government. There is no conflict for me because I am an atheist but every abortion supporter who professes a religious belief in the soul is a fucking hypocrite.
I don't give a fuck about open-mindedness. I give a fuck about what the government is doing to stifle freedom and control our lives. It is largely being done by liberals.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#19274904 - 12/14/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. Then you have the contributions of the opt out news media which is almost overwhelmingly liberal to go along with sycophantic hypocrites in the entertainment media. The younger generation has been sold a lie about what is and is not conservative by the enemy and this has engendered a complete lack of consideration of the real ramifications of encouraging and supporting those who will not work. Work is not play. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
This conservative doesn't think the government should be involved in either sanctioning or penalizing any marriage. That goes for the tax code especially. The only role government should have in marriage is to adjudicate its dissolution just as it does in any other contract dispute. I also believe that the nuclear family is the most effective form of social arrangement for the parties involved. The liberals are actively encouraging its dissolution through the welfare state and have been for decades. How's that working out? Drugs? Liberals want to prohibit big sodas. What drugs would you release from prohibition? This conservative would release them all. You should have the freedom to fuck yourself up and I should not be forced to help you if you do so. My sole duty should be to inform you that they may be harmful to your health. After that it is up to you. Go ahead and snort Peru. I don't give a fuck. Abortion? I have no conflict on this issue. Up to viability (which is going to continue to change) they should be permitted. That doesn't mean they should be funded by the government. There is no conflict for me because I am an atheist but every abortion supporter who professes a religious belief in the soul is a fucking hypocrite.
I don't give a fuck about open-mindedness. I give a fuck about what the government is doing to stifle freedom and control our lives. It is largely being done by liberals.
See, now you're a true conservative, Zap. It seems the Bible-thumping Xtian zealots have taken over the Republican Party these days, alas.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: Le_Canard]
#19275082 - 12/14/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am sick and tired of the perversion of the language that academia, the press and the entertainment industry are perpetrating. And no, the religious zealots are losing ground these days. I would also point out that the Democrats profess their undying love of the baby Jesus just as much as Republicans because they are all pandering whores on that issue.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19275179 - 12/14/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is why at the beginning I defined my terms, I know according to the american legal system those terms don't mean what they should mean. So look at it this way, why do people enjoy telling other people what they can't do instead of focusing on what they themselves should be allowed to do.
What makes them feel so entitled to say 'oh I know better than you, you fucking butt pirate I'm right, you can't get married and that's that'. How can anyone justify that their personal views are so correct that they should be enforced on everyone?
Now don't get me wrong if I had ultimate power things would be very fucking different to how I want things to be seeing as I don't (read: License to have children, people with genetic disorders of any kind can't have kids, democracies would actually be made up of people that represent the masses not senior white males).
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
#19275375 - 12/14/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is why at the beginning I defined my terms, I know according to the american legal system those terms don't mean what they should mean. So look at it this way, why do people enjoy telling other people what they can't do instead of focusing on what they themselves should be allowed to do.
You don't get to control the language and the people who are by and large telling others what to do are liberalsQuote:
What makes them feel so entitled to say 'oh I know better than you, you fucking butt pirate I'm right, you can't get married and that's that'. How can anyone justify that their personal views are so correct that they should be enforced on everyone?
It is a liberal construct to enforce control. Pay attentionQuote:
Now don't get me wrong if I had ultimate power things would be very fucking different to how I want things to be seeing as I don't (read: License to have children, people with genetic disorders of any kind can't have kids, democracies would actually be made up of people that represent the masses not senior white males).
My zappa what a heinously ignorant post. Old white males are your issue? You should get down on your knees and suck our cocks everyday because we are responsible for providing you with the leisure to whine about that kind of nonsense instead of subsistence farming and fending off predators. Get off the net, product of white males
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19276640 - 12/14/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This dude is a perfect example of why I hate liberals. All of their problems with Conservatives are Liberal problems.
Fuckin' hippies.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
#19276831 - 12/14/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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FunkyBuddha said: Now I don't identify as either yet because I don't fully understand the scope of both sides but I'm probably a libertarian based on what I already know.
The thing that makes no sense to me is that, if you're a conservative, you and your family can live perfectly conservative and happy lives under libertarian style laws, no one is forcing you to do drugs or go to gay peoples weddings or have abortions, but if the laws are conservative, people can't live freely and the way that they want and shouldn't everyone just want as many people as possible to live the way that they want to? 
Libertarians are basically super-conservatives. I think you're confusing social conservatism for fiscal conservatism.
I think you meant to say liberal, not libertarian...
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Libertarian: Do what the fuck you want as long as it hurts no one else + public health care etc
Libertarians don't want public healthcare. They are super conservatives and are against any type of welfare, including public healthcare, student aid, EBT (food stamps), homeless shelters, domestic violence shelters, etc.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
#19276978 - 12/14/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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FunkyBuddha said: Okay first off let me just define my ideas behind the words I'm going to use, feel free to correct me on them because I'm sure they're wrong based on today's standards, but I'm going by my understandings of the words. Conservative: Against change, pro-life, anti-gay marriage, no public healthcare etc Libertarian: Do what the fuck you want as long as it hurts no one else + public health care etc
So my question is the title, why do conservatives exist? All they try to do is stop other people from doing things that they want to do (apart from no public healthcare, but I have weird views on healthcare) while libertarians seem to be arguing for peoples rights to do what they want regardless of whether people agree with it or not.
Now I don't identify as either yet because I don't fully understand the scope of both sides but I'm probably a libertarian based on what I already know.
The thing that makes no sense to me is that, if you're a conservative, you and your family can live perfectly conservative and happy lives under libertarian style laws, no one is forcing you to do drugs or go to gay peoples weddings or have abortions, but if the laws are conservative, people can't live freely and the way that they want and shouldn't everyone just want as many people as possible to live the way that they want to? 
            
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19277059 - 12/14/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think you mean liberals
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha] 1
#19277102 - 12/14/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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FunkyBuddha said: Okay first off let me just define my ideas behind the words I'm going to use, feel free to correct me on them because I'm sure they're wrong based on today's standards, but I'm going by my understandings of the words. Conservative: Against change, pro-life, anti-gay marriage, no public healthcare etc Libertarian: Do what the fuck you want as long as it hurts no one else + public health care etc
So my question is the title, why do conservatives exist? All they try to do is stop other people from doing things that they want to do (apart from no public healthcare, but I have weird views on healthcare) while libertarians seem to be arguing for peoples rights to do what they want regardless of whether people agree with it or not.
Now I don't identify as either yet because I don't fully understand the scope of both sides but I'm probably a libertarian based on what I already know.
The thing that makes no sense to me is that, if you're a conservative, you and your family can live perfectly conservative and happy lives under libertarian style laws, no one is forcing you to do drugs or go to gay peoples weddings or have abortions, but if the laws are conservative, people can't live freely and the way that they want and shouldn't everyone just want as many people as possible to live the way that they want to? 
Are you actually Australian? If so I'm just a bit confused about your position because we have (possibly the best) public healthcare, Medicare, and even the Abbott government is looking to extend that to dental. Amazing right? (check the pun).
My second question is are commenting on US American politics? Because that's what it seems. You've used terms much more associated with with USA than in AUS.
Anyway... If you are commenting on Australian politics then I'm with that this government is terrible. If you're commenting in on USA I do not know enough to reliably comment.
Did I just troll this guy? I hope not... I'm just confused about it. No one in Aus would ever touch Medicare to remove it, only to make it better. As for the ABC, if they touch that I'm riot, properly riot.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19277117 - 12/14/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
At some point there were plenty of old ass guys that said the same thing about the guys who started all the software companies
Well those are the most powerful companies in the world now, and the guys in the older generations that actually had the foresight to see that they were onto something, and not stuck in the past busy sniffing their own farts, made ludicrous amounts of money.
The railroads will never die! The American Auto will never die! Oil is entirely sustainable!
Im not saying there isn’t a place for traditionalism but it is beyond dumb to discount any new innovations and ideas.
As for that stupid liberals V conservatives thing, they just social issues as wedge to get stupid people to vote their way. Looking solely at a candidates political party/ideology makes zero sense to me.
Ive voted for Republicans and Democrats alike, self identify liberal.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: elax420]
#19277143 - 12/14/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
Every previous generation always says that about the new generations. People were saying that in the '30s and '40s about you, that you were good for nothing druggies who listened to Satan's music. Take a look at this quote that was said about young adults in the 1970's:
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"They are more interested in climbing Mt Everest than climbing the corporate ladder. They've never punched a time clock. They have no idea what it's like to actually be in an office at nine o'clock, with people handing them work."
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: Crystal G]
#19277637 - 12/15/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not talking about either legal system, which is why at the beginning I defined my terms seeing as I knew that they would most likely be wrong, see that bit where I said fell free to correct me? I don't want you to give me the correct definition for my words, I'm looking for the correct words for my definitions.
Let me rephrase, why is anyone against individual freedom? Why do people want everyone to live by their ideas if what's good and bad? It surely can't be that hard to say 'I think you're a fucking idiot and I think the things you're doing are wrong, but you're not harming anyone but yourself so go right ahead'
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19277645 - 12/15/13 03:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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And if you actually read my post you would realise I have no issue with old white males, I have an issue with the fact that they make up the majority of almost every democracies government, which is an inaccurate representation of the counties population.
How can you expect the government to provide for the wants and needs of a diverse population when it is majorly made up of a single demographic?
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
#19277779 - 12/15/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude...
Sure man.
Whatever you say.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
#19278021 - 12/15/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it balances and unfortunately divides our country at times.There is always going to be hardcore liberals who think the U.S. government are a bunch of Nazis and there's a lot of people who think it's an ATROCITY to have ANY kind of abortion in any circumstance. It's the same way I feel about hardcore Christians or hardcore atheists, people should respect some of the other parties ideas and come to more reasonable mutual respect.Especially within religion,personally I almost never talk about the fact that I consider myself a christian but often I have atheist friends that try and make me feel dumb about my beliefs.I stress that I know just as much about them about history and science but personally i still believe in God and Christ. That doesn't make me stupid we just have different belief systems
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: koraks]
#19278182 - 12/15/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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FunkyBuddha said: I understand what you're saying but I don't think being anti-gay and pro-life is 'playing it safe'. In my opinion playing it safe is sticking with wheat and corn instead of re-doing the entire agricultural system for quinoa.
Anti-gay = entire population available for procreation Pro-life = optimizing odds of the path between conception and procreation Look at it from an evolutionary perspective. It makes perfect sense.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: elax420]
#19278849 - 12/15/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
At some point there were plenty of old ass guys that said the same thing about the guys who started all the software companies
Are you really trying to extend the accomplishments of the very few in a generation I was not talking about to all of its members. Gates, Jobs, etc are from MY generation. The later generation gave us, yipee, Facebook. Record numbers of college students in useless degree programs and record number of 20 somethings living with mommy and daddy. The Failure to Launch generation.Quote:
Well those are the most powerful companies in the world now, and the guys in the older generations that actually had the foresight to see that they were onto something, and not stuck in the past busy sniffing their own farts, made ludicrous amounts of money.
The railroads will never die! The American Auto will never die! Oil is entirely sustainable!
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Im not saying there isn’t a place for traditionalism but it is beyond dumb to discount any new innovations and ideas.
Who does that?Quote:
As for that stupid liberals V conservatives thing, they just social issues as wedge to get stupid people to vote their way. Looking solely at a candidates political party/ideology makes zero sense to me.
I'd like to get some glimmer of what the assholes intend to do if they are elected and their ideology and party identification are useful gauges of that.Quote:
Ive voted for Republicans and Democrats alike, self identify liberal.
Was the Republican unopposed? I have voted for Dems in the past but that was a long time and they were less nutty then. I had the privilege of voting for Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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