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Hitting children
    #19277302 - 12/15/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just had a big argument with my Wife's good female friend, and now I feel bad. I really like the girl shes awesome but both she and my wife were physically punished by their parents (spankings, beltings, canings, beaten with reeds of wood etc).

Basically both her and my wife were like, smacked around by their parents, so they think its normal and fine.

My mother has worked for the government her whole life for the healthy child/ Early childhood development divisions her entire life. So she knows all the science which proves physically hitting/corporal punishment on children has only negative effects, on IQ, on emotional development, on physical health, on life chances, on well-being, life expectancy, self esteem etc etc.

Basically according to my mother (who is a professional expert on this) hitting kids= damage, harm, bad.

But a lot of people who were hit as children feel strongly that hitting is right.

They take offense when you say it is wrong.

What do you guys think?


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Moonshoe] * 2
    #19277305 - 12/15/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think spanking is alright but not beating the child.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Soluminia] * 2
    #19277311 - 12/15/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So beating the bum but not the rest of the body?


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Moonshoe] * 2
    #19277313 - 12/15/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Studies show it's harmful, so I don't think it's right at all.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19277316 - 12/15/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

just enough to get the message through... i know that if i wasnt punished enough id just end up destroying all my possessions. lol


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #19277318 - 12/15/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think corporal punishment serves those who practice it, not those who receive it. Spanking a kid, the few times I've seen it, was very reactive and seemed to reflect a need in the parent to physically vent rather than a desire to train the child to make sound, moral judgments independently and to act accordingly.

I have read a book that cited some studies claiming it can help boys, but I'll be adopting males someday most likely and I DO NOT EVER believe in teaching a child that their physical comfort, safety, and well being is contingent upon something.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Cyclohexylamine] * 4
    #19277321 - 12/15/13 12:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think people who decide to have kids are fucking retarded.:awesome:


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Re: Hitting children [Re: thoughts]
    #19277327 - 12/15/13 12:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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thoughts said:
I think people who decide to have kids are fucking retarded.:awesome:




but i mean... one day i want to have a family... one day.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Cyclohexylamine] * 2
    #19277331 - 12/15/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Studies show it's harmful, so I don't think it's right at all.




Thats what I was saying, like the science is VERY conclusive it is counter-productive and harmful to the child so ... just don't do it. When I think about how inappropriate it would be for me to hit an adult, or an animal, or anything I just think "that would be so wrong".

But when I think about hitting a child I think "that would be way more wrong".

Like I am 6"3 , 180 pounds and muscular. How could it POSSIBLY be acceptable for someone as large and powerful as me to hit a child?

I am so baffled that its even a debate.

It would be wrong for me to hit a woman. It would be VERY wrong for me to hit a child. How can an adult man hit a child?

I don't understand how its even a debate, except that old customs and ideas made it normal.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Moonshoe] * 3
    #19277335 - 12/15/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you can get your point across a better way, do it.

Some kids just need a smackin to get the point across though because they refuse to listen.

I doubt smacking a kid on their ass is gonna drop their brain power :shrug:

My parents spanked me and shit and I'm fine.... I think.....


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Re: Hitting children [Re: fractaldill]
    #19277342 - 12/15/13 12:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Raise some of the hundreds of kids who don't have parents.
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Re: Hitting children [Re: st1llnox]
    #19277345 - 12/15/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think corporal punishment serves those who practice it, not those who receive it. Spanking a kid, the few times I've seen it, was very reactive and seemed to reflect a need in the parent to physically vent rather than a desire to train the child to make sound, moral judgments independently and to act accordingly.

I have read a book that cited some studies claiming it can help boys, but I'll be adopting males someday most likely and I DO NOT EVER believe in teaching a child that their physical comfort, safety, and well being is contingent upon something.




I agree with this


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Re: Hitting children [Re: thoughts]
    #19277346 - 12/15/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think people who decide to have kids are fucking retarded.:awesome:




I also sort of agree with this. I would not say retarded as much as ... crazy. My sister is working on having her sixth child. Why do you need six? Shes already totally unable to really provide for the five she has. Why want a sixth? It seems crazy to me...


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19277347 - 12/15/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i was just about to make a thread but then i saw this.

do you guys think that a father spanking their daughter is punishment, or sexual abuse? seeing as it's a slap on the ass


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Re: Hitting children [Re: st1llnox]
    #19277349 - 12/15/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I was spanked by my parents and I don't support corporal punishment at all.

This pretty much sums up my opinion.
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st1llnox said:
I think corporal punishment serves those who practice it, not those who receive it. Spanking a kid, the few times I've seen it, was very reactive and seemed to reflect a need in the parent to physically vent rather than a desire to train the child to make sound, moral judgments independently and to act accordingly.





Several countries have even made it illegal.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19277351 - 12/15/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

thoughts said:
I think people who decide to have kids are fucking retarded.:awesome:




I also sort of agree with this. I would not say retarded as much as ... crazy. My sister is working on having her sixth child. Why do you need six? Shes already totally unable to really provide for the five she has. Why want a sixth? It seems crazy to me...



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Moonshoe said:
Quote:

thoughts said:
I think people who decide to have kids are fucking retarded.:awesome:




I also sort of agree with this. I would not say retarded as much as ... crazy. My sister is working on having her sixth child. Why do you need six? Shes already totally unable to really provide for the five she has. Why want a sixth? It seems crazy to me...



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Re: Hitting children [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19277358 - 12/15/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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I think people who decide to have kids are fucking retarded.:awesome:




I also sort of agree with this. I would not say retarded as much as ... crazy. My sister is working on having her sixth child. Why do you need six? Shes already totally unable to really provide for the five she has. Why want a sixth? It seems crazy to me...



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Re: Hitting children [Re: thoughts]
    #19277360 - 12/15/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think people who decide to have kids are fucking retarded.:awesome:




yeah in todays society maybe, but we are hardwired to want to reproduce.

a lotta people want to have a family. nothing more rewarding than raising wise kids.

someones gotta keep the knowledge flowing.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Legend] * 1
    #19277365 - 12/15/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i was just about to make a thread but then i saw this.

do you guys think that a father spanking their daughter is punishment, or sexual abuse? seeing as it's a slap on the ass




I said today that I think sexual abuse (touching, kissing, licking, fondling) and physical abuse (spanking, hitting, slapping, whipping, beating, caning, belting) are equally bad. People were saying know sexual abuse is way worse but I fail to see how slapping or hitting a child with a stick or belt is less bad than kissing, touching, caressing etc them.

I think both are equally bad and for the same reason... the child's body belongs to the child. No other person has the right to interfere with the body of the child. No unwanted touching. That means no slapping, spanking or kissing or licking or hitting with sticks or spoons or belts. The body belongs to the child. No unwanted touching allowed. Period.

How is it that if I go up to a man in a bar and punch him, I am facing assault charges, but if I slap my child I can call it "corporal punishment" and pretend its anything but a violent crime against the most tiny, vulnerable, helpless people in the world?

Why can I not slap a woman or a man but I can slap a child?


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19277382 - 12/15/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think it is all very violating. dont get me wrong, if a kid is about to stick a fork in an
outlet, slap it out of their hand or something. but i dont believe in paddling or spanking.


When my uncle was in school they were aloud to paddle them. Well, one day he was
late to class. So the principle pulled down his pants, showed his ass the class room,
and gave him a few good wacks. well, he ended up causing agonizing pain to him.
because the paddle hit is balls/lower ass.

IMAGINE THAT, being smacked in the balls in front of class. Well thankfully my
grandmother (his mother) ROSE FUCKING HELL in that school after that. And gave
the principle a good broken nose.


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