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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Hitting children [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19278916 - 12/15/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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thats how u learn...next time they wont do it, or if they do they know it better be worth it bc ur gonna get hit




I actually disagree that hitting is a good option or even a successful long-term option. When I was a kid, I would have been diagnosed with "ADD" or "ADHD," I was hyperactive and reckless and causing destruction all along my path. Whenever my behavior would get out of line, my mother would hit me in the face and it would stop my behavior... for a few hours. But eventually my behavior would come back, and when it would come back, it would come with a vengeance. My behavior would get even MORE out of control, in even MORE public places, because I wanted to get back at my mother by creating temper tantrums from hell in public. And I knew that as long as we were in public, I was 80% safe from getting hit.

I also learned from this behavior and became the school bully. Every day I would be sent to the principal's office for beating up some kid and making them cry. I felt like I was in the right, that I deserved to beat them up, because they pissed me off by doing something that I didn't agree with, and that I was "parenting them."

I also had childhood fantasies of murdering my parents, really well-thought out and evil, conniving plans that had I knew for 100% sure I would not have gotten caught, I would FOR SURE have carried out. The ONLY thing stopping me was the fact that I would most likely have gotten caught.

I swore that one day when I grew big enough, I would seek revenge. So when I grew to about 15 year old, I started hitting my parents. I felt that I deserved to hit them, that I was in the right, and that this was justice and karma. I ended up finding drugs instead and eventually my plans for murder got lost somewhere along the way.





and you dont for an instance believe that the problem lies with the overbearing
parents and yourself but it was only wht spanking that did this




They were overbearing, perfectionists, one of them was completely absent, however the memories that resonate in my mind the most was getting hit. Years back to this day the number 1 thing I remember most, and the number 1 thing that affects me most, was getting hit. I would have been fine and been able to cope with everything else had they not used physical punishment.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Bassfreak]
    #19278917 - 12/15/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe you're right about being overly sensitive.  However, wouldn't you agree that as a human being, you have an obligation to improve society, improve yourself, and create the most effective environment possible for your children, and your children's children?

With that being said, wouldn't you want to know the outcome of certain methods?  Wouldn't you want to research the errors of the past in order to not repeat the same mistakes?


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
    #19278929 - 12/15/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Do you think it's ever okay to "wash a mouth out with soap"?




I don't think that's bad. Children aren't traumatized or hurt when you wash their mouth out with soap, they more likely feel dislike or aversion.





so dragging a kid to the bathroom and forcing a vile tasting substance into
their mouth that can make them sick is not abusive but a spanking is

so why again is hitting teens fine?




As I mentioned again, children aren't TRAUMATIZED or hurt deeply when you wash their mouth out with soap.

Pay attention to the cause and effect of TRAUMA. Hitting children induces TRAUMA and pathological behavior. Washing mouths out with soap does NOT.





really? you can say that children arent traumatized by it? my son was when his mother did it to him

maybe you should define trauma as you see it


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
    #19278931 - 12/15/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Crystal G said:
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MrBlueYoMind said:
Do you think it's ever okay to "wash a mouth out with soap"?




I don't think that's bad. Children aren't traumatized or hurt when you wash their mouth out with soap, they more likely feel dislike or aversion.





so dragging a kid to the bathroom and forcing a vile tasting substance into
their mouth that can make them sick is not abusive but a spanking is

so why again is hitting teens fine?




As I mentioned again, children aren't TRAUMATIZED or hurt deeply when you wash their mouth out with soap.

Pay attention to the cause and effect of TRAUMA. Hitting children induces TRAUMA and pathological behavior. Washing mouths out with soap does NOT.




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Re: Hitting children [Re: Konichiwaffle]
    #19278932 - 12/15/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Konichiwaffle said:
With that being said, wouldn't you want to know the outcome of certain methods?  Wouldn't you want to research the errors of the past in order to not repeat the same mistakes?



Unfortunately, every decade or so, the "answers" change.  Everyone's an expert on parenting until the next expert comes along.

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Re: Hitting children [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19278933 - 12/15/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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really? you can say that children arent traumatized by it? my son was when his mother did it to him

maybe you should define trauma as you see it




Well I guess maybe if his mother forced the soap down his throat enough to make him gag and throw up and have tears well up in his eyes, then yea I could see how that's traumatic.

So let me get this straight, your son was traumatized when his mom washed his mouth out with soap, yet you are insistent on hitting them. :facepalm:


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Enlil]
    #19278941 - 12/15/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Enlil said:
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Konichiwaffle said:
With that being said, wouldn't you want to know the outcome of certain methods?  Wouldn't you want to research the errors of the past in order to not repeat the same mistakes?



Unfortunately, every decade or so, the "answers" change.  Everyone's an expert on parenting until the next expert comes along.

The best choice is not having kids...it's the only way to ensure your kids won't be fucked up.




The answers improve with time. Remember that studying children's behavior is a relatively new phenomenon, it has really only been studied extensively for maybe 50 years or so.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Konichiwaffle]
    #19278949 - 12/15/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why is a world where everyone is so sensitive deemed as the best end game? I just want to know who made this the status quo.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Konichiwaffle]
    #19278957 - 12/15/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How exactly is the study not sound? 

You are just one example out of a large percentage that has proven otherwise.

The human condition is very much a victim of cause and effect.  Whether it is simple, or not.

I am sorry, but if you want to criticize my logic, then at least give me the courtesy to tell me where the error is.  Numbers do not lie.  I have provided you with a number of statistics, plus a well put together article by the American Psychological Association itself to justify what I believe.  These are actual well-respected doctors who have been studying the effects of physical disciplinary actions for years.  You have given me nothing but your own self-evaluation, in which nobody here can verify because they do not know you personally. 

That, to me, is unsound logic.




There are tons of people in this thread who have said to have been hit and are normal people, so no, it isn't JUST me you are just ignoring everything in this thread. Of course the universe is cause and effect, but as humans we have the ability to rationally think and understand why things happened. Even a kid can understand why he/she got spanked. Do you really need me to start posting videos of shitty little kids that need to get their ass whooped?

When a parent tells the kid NO multiple times and the kid won't listen to reason or other forms of punishment... it calls for extra measures. Especially if the kid gets violent in the first place.

You act like children are little angels or some shit. Do I really need to post videos of shitty little kids?


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Mescalean]
    #19278959 - 12/15/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mescalean said:
Why is a world where everyone is so sensitive deemed as the best end game? I just want to know who made this the status quo.




Apparently you haven't been reading the thread, because this isn't about sensitivity. Like, at all. This is about what long-term consequences occur when you hit children. Evidence has shown that it mostly isn't very good.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
    #19278966 - 12/15/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
however the memories that resonate in my mind the most was getting hit. Years back to this day the number 1 thing I remember most, and the number 1 thing that affects me most, was getting hit. I would have been fine and been able to cope with everything else had they not used physical punishment.



Same.  Things that stick out most in my mind from childhood were getting hit

and

getting my mouth washed out with soap.  I have vivid memories of these things. 

I was a really well behaved kid, too.  I asked my parents a few years ago why they did those things and they vehemently denied both hitting/spanking me as well as washing my mouth out with soap.  :wtf:

Wonder why I was on Prozac by age 9.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #19278974 - 12/15/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The answers improve with time.



Not so much.  One decade, we're told that everything we did last year was wrong and detrimental, then a few years later we're told that the new way is wrong and the old way was better.  There's nothing "improving" except the bank balances of the self-help/parenting authors.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Uzziel]
    #19278975 - 12/15/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Uzziel said:
There are tons of people in this thread who have said to have been hit and are normal people, so no, it isn't JUST me you are just ignoring everything in this thread.




There are also plenty of people in this thread who have been hit and grew up with mental illnesses or drug addictions.

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Of course the universe is cause and effect, but as humans we have the ability to rationally think and understand why things happened. Even a kid can understand why he/she got spanked. Do you really need me to start posting videos of shitty little kids that need to get their ass whooped?

When a parent tells the kid NO multiple times and the kid won't listen to reason or other forms of punishment... it calls for extra measures. Especially if the kid gets violent in the first place.




So according to you children have the ability to rationally think, yet they won't listen to reason... yet they are supposed to understand that you are hitting them for good reasons?


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
    #19278982 - 12/15/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Oh I've been reading it believe me, you've been making a poor arguement. And I guarentee "murder fantasies" of your parents stems from some other psychological problem other then just "hitting". Normal children don't fantasize about going amityville on ma and pa.

My question was based off of the arguement wican and one other made regarding us bettering society by not producing a bunch of little hard asses like pris.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Set]
    #19278983 - 12/15/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I was a really well behaved kid, too.  I asked my parents a few years ago why they did those things and they vehemently denied both hitting/spanking me as well as washing myself out with soap.  :wtf:

Wonder why I was on Prozac by age 9.




My parents did the same thing. Denied all allegations of abuse and hitting. My fantasies of murder come back whenever they deny it ever happened. I actually grew up formulating plans on how to become the best serial killer.

Looking back on it, I wish I had done it and just gone through with it. But I should have done it at like age 9, so that I could be forgiven and re-introduced back to society as an adult. Damn the fact that I wasn't aware of how law worked at that age.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Mescalean]
    #19278991 - 12/15/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh I've been reading it believe me, you've been making a poor arguement. And I guarentee "murder fantasies" of your parents stems from some other psychological problem other then just "hitting".




How is it a poor argument? You're pro-family violence, which I can clearly see is a way to console yourself and act apologetic for the way that you were raised. By convincing yourself it was okay, you can come to terms with it and feel at ease about the way you were raised.

However, you did turn out a heroin addict. You and I are the classic examples of why beating your kids produces children who are abnormal.

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Normal children don't fantasize about going amityville on ma and pa.




Yes. Because normal children don't endure excessive abuse.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Konichiwaffle]
    #19278997 - 12/15/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe you're right about being overly sensitive.  However, wouldn't you agree that as a human being, you have an obligation to improve society, improve yourself, and create the most effective environment possible for your children, and your children's children?

With that being said, wouldn't you want to know the outcome of certain methods?  Wouldn't you want to research the errors of the past in order to not repeat the same mistakes?





how many people in the US are out committing crimes, killing people and
doing what ever, now tell us how many of those people were spanked, you
guys keep tossing this shit up as though it's cause and effect without
looking at it. how many people were spanked as kids and today live happy,
normal lives?

by the ridiculous claims in this thread, 90% of the people in the US should
be addicted to drugs, abusing their own kids, raping, killing and robbing
everyone around them... seems the 'studies' have a few major flaws
regarding the causes and the outcomes

90% of children in the US have been spanked... yeah, 90%

where's your statistic stand now?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/claire-mccarthy-md/spanking_b_1608747.html



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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
    #19279004 - 12/15/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So according to you children have the ability to rationally think, yet they won't listen to reason... yet they are supposed to understand that you are hitting them for good reasons?




You're changing my words. I said as humans we CAN rationally think. I never said a 3 year old child is going to demonstrate sound logic, it takes development to do that. :rolleyes:

By age 10 I was very rational and knew right from wrong. There are 10 year olds out there that know right from wrong but are stubborn and do the wrong thing anyway.

A 10 year old can understand if they are doing the wrong thing and why they got hit for doing it.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
    #19279022 - 12/15/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Oh I've been reading it believe me, you've been making a poor arguement. And I guarentee "murder fantasies" of your parents stems from some other psychological problem other then just "hitting".




How is it a poor argument? You're pro-family violence, which I can clearly see is a way to console yourself and act apologetic for the way that you were raised. By convincing yourself it was okay, you can come to terms with it and feel at ease about the way you were raised.

However, you did turn out a heroin addict. You and I are the classic examples of why beating your kids produces children who are abnormal.





then explain the other 200 million people that were spanked and didnt

let's stop making excuses for ourselves and start accepting that these things are our own doing


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19279025 - 12/15/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Konichiwaffle said:
Maybe you're right about being overly sensitive.  However, wouldn't you agree that as a human being, you have an obligation to improve society, improve yourself, and create the most effective environment possible for your children, and your children's children?

With that being said, wouldn't you want to know the outcome of certain methods?  Wouldn't you want to research the errors of the past in order to not repeat the same mistakes?





how many people in the US are out committing crimes, killing people and
doing what ever, now tell us how many of those people were spanked, you
guys keep tossing this shit up as though it's cause and effect without
looking at it. how many people were spanked as kids and today live happy,
normal lives?

by the ridiculous claims in this thread, 90% of the people in the US should
be addicted to drugs, abusing their own kids, raping, killing and robbing
everyone around them... seems the 'studies' have a few major flaws
regarding the causes and the outcomes

90% of children in the US have been spanked... yeah, 90%

where's your statistic stand now?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/claire-mccarthy-md/spanking_b_1608747.html






I... don't really believe that statistic. 90% of parents spank their TODDLERS??!?!?! We're talking 2-3 year olds, right? Yea I don't think so.

Well actually, if that statistic is true, then they are probably also including:
-Parents who spanked their kid once and then never did it again
-Parents who spanked their kids in "emergency" situations (sticking a fork in the electrical outlet, or running out into traffic)

I don't think either produces traumatic effects long-term.

And from your source:

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The most common "side effect" of spanking, though, is that spankees are more likely to hit other children.




This is another thing that woman with the master's degree in child behavior taught me. That if a child is going around hitting other kids, the most likely cause is that they are getting hit at home.


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