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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
#19279342 - 12/15/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: and yes, children that were spanked are more likely to hit other kids
Yes. And you know who taught me that? The same person that also taught me that you can stop a child from throwing a tantrum by hugging them and holding them until they quiet down. And that when you hit children, the message they most often perceive is that you don't love them. Not that they did something wrong.
Just try it next time your kid has a tantrum in public. I'll bet you anything that it works.
I also forgot to add, that it works on adults too.
no, that's called false imprisonment, maybe you should look it up, it's a felony in my state and it punishable by up to 7 years in prison because it's a violent crime to restrain someone against their will unless you're a sworn law enforcement officer or you're stopping a felony in progress
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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
#19279348 - 12/15/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: The childless parenting expert speaks.
I have attained all of this information from the mother with the master's degree in child behavior. I used to be a fan of corporal punishment.
because hearsay is always the best
a degree means dick until this person with the masters can come forward and tell us why everyone in the US is not a violent criminal or child abuser
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Why is it that there is no expert or scientific study that has come out with any beneficial long-term effects of spanking?
Contrary to what you think, spanking impairs cognitive development and increases antisocial and violent criminal behavior: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/12/131211103958.htm
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really you havent said much of anything other than spankings make for 'mentally ill' adults
I did not say this at all. Please show me where I had said this.
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you cite these studies as though there's some real scientific basis behind them
There is, and it's pretty substantial. I would like you to pinpoint why these studies are weak, or are in error, if you don't mind.
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but we have no explanation as to why such a small percentage of the population is consisting of drug addicts and criminals when 90% were spanked
What does this have to do with whether or not spanking your child is healthy? If the issue was, "does spanking your child lead to there being a higher potential of them committing a crime?", then maybe real scientific evidence would be required. However, I believe that is not the main issue. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, so I can re-evaluate my position.
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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
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And even though I don't have children, I can learn from my own childhood and what my parents' taught me, how to do things differently.
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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: Why is it that there is no expert or scientific study that has come out with any beneficial long-term effects of spanking?
Contrary to what you think, spanking impairs cognitive development and increases antisocial and violent criminal behavior: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/12/131211103958.htm
once more, where's the fucking meat, when did these researchers move into the homes of these families to see if spanking is the actual cause or if it's just shit parenting as you've been floundering on throughout this thread
where's the 90% of kids in the US are spanked, therefor we can show statistics showing that 90% of kids are antisocial, violent criminals and drug addicts study
I could certainly see where child abuse could lead to this in many, not even most, but in many children as they grow into adulthood but it seems these studies mistake spankings for abuse
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Crystal G said: And even though I don't have children, I can learn from my own childhood and what my parents' taught me, how to do things differently.
clearly you cant since you've gone the path of the drug addicted criminal
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Crystal G said: And even though I don't have children, I can learn from my own childhood and what my parents' taught me, how to do things differently.
clearly you cant since you've gone the path of the drug addicted criminal
That's the whole fucking point. That's the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT as to why hitting children doesn't work, have you not been fucking listening this entire time or what?!??!? Are you going to keep asking me the same dumb questions again?
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really you havent said much of anything other than spankings make for 'mentally ill' adults
I did not say this at all. Please show me where I had said this.
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you cite these studies as though there's some real scientific basis behind them
There is, and it's pretty substantial. I would like you to pinpoint why these studies are weak, or are in error, if you don't mind.
were these researchers living with the families of the children that were spanked? did they follow these kids through every waking moment?
then they've drawn the conclusion without sufficient evidence or maybe they're just holding back the meat and potatoes in all this, in reality the statistics show that 90% of american are in fact addicted to drugs, violent criminals and abusing children... they should really show that since it's such a hot topic
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Prisoner#1 said: once more, where's the fucking meat, when did these researchers move into the homes of these families to see if spanking is the actual cause or if it's just shit parenting as you've been floundering on throughout this thread
where's the 90% of kids in the US are spanked, therefor we can show statistics showing that 90% of kids are antisocial, violent criminals and drug addicts study
I could certainly see where child abuse could lead to this in many, not even most, but in many children as they grow into adulthood but it seems these studies mistake spankings for abuse
Apparently you don't understand the meaning of "a HIGHER incidence of cognitive impairment and antisocial violent behavior."
Let me put it in words that even YOU can understand. This means that not 100% of people are going to exhibit these behaviors from spanking, but that SOME people are MORE likely to exhibit these behaviors due to being hit.
And since you can't tell whether your own kid might be one of the ones that grows up to exhibit these behaviors, WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU TAKE THAT RISK?
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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
#19279396 - 12/15/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crystal G said: And even though I don't have children, I can learn from my own childhood and what my parents' taught me, how to do things differently.
clearly you cant since you've gone the path of the drug addicted criminal
That's the whole fucking point. That's the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT as to why hitting children doesn't work, have you not been fucking listening this entire time or what?!??!? Are you going to keep asking me the same dumb questions again?
THEN WHY AM I NOT A DRUG ADDICT, WHY ARE MOST AMERICANS NOT DRUG ADDICTED VIOLENT CRIMINALS? clearly I learned from being abused and you didnt
please, answer the questions. they should be simple since you can call on some lady with a masters degree who is an expert on everything related to kids... please, spew forth those answers
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clearly you cant since you've gone the path of the drug addicted criminal
That's the whole fucking point. That's the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT as to why hitting children doesn't work, have you not been fucking listening this entire time or what?!??!? Are you going to keep asking me the same dumb questions again?
THEN WHY AM I NOT A DRUG ADDICT, WHY ARE MOST AMERICANS NOT DRUG ADDICTED VIOLENT CRIMINALS? clearly I learned from being abused and you didnt
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Apparently you don't understand the meaning of "a HIGHER incidence of cognitive impairment and antisocial violent behavior."
Let me put it in words that even YOU can understand. This means that not 100% of people are going to exhibit these behaviors from spanking, but that SOME people are MORE likely to exhibit these behaviors due to being hit.
And since you can't tell whether your own kid might be one of the ones that grows up to exhibit these behaviors, WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU TAKE THAT RISK?
Yet another stupid and redundant question.
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You're slackin' pris, step your game up.
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were these researchers living with the families of the children that were spanked? did they follow these kids through every waking moment?
lol wut?
If they followed the children every waking hour, don't you think this would hinder the results?
You have to create research that is sensible and doable.
Most research conducted is on the basis of interviews with the parents, and seeing if there are any correlations with the analysis of behavioral patterns in their children.
Though, there are admittedly some drawbacks in the research (like with most studies and experiments), it is still effective in drawing specific links and percentages. Especially when the number of parents involved in the research gets larger, and the pattern repeats.
I don't really get why you keep on bringing up this statistic about 90% of Americans being such and such. Maybe I am missing something, if you don't mind explaining to me how this has to do with the initial topic?
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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
#19279422 - 12/15/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The better educated the parents the smarter the kids are........There is no more a direct determining factor in your child's cognitive ability that I'm aware of. Trying to say that get a spanking lowers your ability to learn is ridiculous, if they had taken the children of people with doctorates you would find no difference.
Abuse fucks kids up. Getting spankings is going to have no effect on your IQ when compared to the cognitive ability of your parents. They are drawing a correlation that isn't there. And surprise surprise if your dad gets physical when he's angry you'll learn to do it to.
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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
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Prisoner#1 said: once more, where's the fucking meat, when did these researchers move into the homes of these families to see if spanking is the actual cause or if it's just shit parenting as you've been floundering on throughout this thread
where's the 90% of kids in the US are spanked, therefor we can show statistics showing that 90% of kids are antisocial, violent criminals and drug addicts study
I could certainly see where child abuse could lead to this in many, not even most, but in many children as they grow into adulthood but it seems these studies mistake spankings for abuse
Apparently you don't understand the meaning of "a HIGHER incidence of cognitive impairment and antisocial violent behavior."
can we ask for the control group, can we ask for the video footage of these researchers following these kids around (creepy) so we can see that it was the spanking and not a parent that neglected their kids, or one that was constantly unleashing a verbal assault on them, telling them they're worthless and will never amount to anything
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Let me put it in words that even YOU can understand. This means that not 100% of people are going to exhibit these behaviors from spanking, but that SOME people are MORE likely to exhibit these behaviors due to being hit.
oh, so more likely... like the way pot is more likely to cause mental illness in those that already suffer from mental illness or have certain risk factors for mental illness such as shitty, abusive parents and tiger moms
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And since you can't tell whether your own kid might be one of the ones that grows up to exhibit these behaviors, WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU TAKE THAT RISK?
so in conclusion, we see that mental illness can crop up in anyone with certain risk factors, that researchers against spanking will skew results by asking loaded questions of criminals and mentally ill people and that some people wont delve deeper on a subject because some group did a study
maybe I have oppositional defiance disorder since I cant take everything at face value but instead have to ask important questions such as 'how was this study conducted since the researchers didnt follow thousands of families around for decades in order to determine that it was spankings and not crap ass parents that triggered all of these problems in kids
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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
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I'm wondering how many parents are posting in this thread.
I'm imagining a scenario where a 4 year old child with ODD says something snarky to their parent for not getting what they want. The parent sends them to their room, and they don't listen. So the parent takes them by the arm to take them to the room and then the kid drops their weight.
The parent picks the kid up and now the kid starts squirming around, elbowing the parent in the eye in the process. The kid is screaming at the top of its lungs, as you try to drag them to their room to put them in "time-out" for the original back-talking. As you pass by the tv stand he kicks it real hard and knocks the TV over and breaks it.
What are you going to do? I hear a lot of hypothetical parenting going on, so have at it. This scenario is 100% realistic BTW if you've ever known anyone who has a child with ODD.
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Oppositional defiance disorder is made up dude, even as a teenager as soon as those words left my shrinks mouth I knew I would never come back. How the fuck do you think they determine if you have ODD? They fucking guess
If your kid is doing that shit you're just a bad parent or your kid is too independent to be accepting the amount of control you want.
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were these researchers living with the families of the children that were spanked? did they follow these kids through every waking moment?
lol wut?
If they followed the children every waking hour, don't you think this would hinder the results?
You have to create research that is sensible and doable.
so what you're saying is that they simply did a survey
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Most research conducted is on the basis of interviews with the parents, and seeing if there are any correlations with the analysis of behavioral patterns in their children.
so it was a survey, surveys are of course the most accurate form of research
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Though, there are admittedly some drawbacks in the research (like with most studies and experiments), it is still effective in drawing specific links and percentages. Especially when the number of parents involved in the research gets larger, and the pattern repeats.
whom exactly did they survey, parents and children with mental illnesses or that exhibited criminal behavior... what about those that had no background with criminality or mental illness, were they excluded, if so, then why? what questions were asked of these parents and children, was the family history looked into regarding emotional issues and mental illness
maybe you should post up the methodology for us so we can all see
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I don't really get why you keep on bringing up this statistic about 90% of Americans being such and such. Maybe I am missing something, if you don't mind explaining to me how this has to do with the initial topic?
90% of american children are spanked, it's not a difficult concept to grasp but for some reason the vast majority of these children dont grow up to fall into these categories of being emotionally and cognitively under developed, mentally ill, drug addicted or criminal... why would that be?
could the answer be that most studies, like documentaries have an outcome in mind, that it's 'goal driven research' and that the results are skewed by the questions with deliberate intent... could that be why they look for certain criteria in test subjects, so that they can take their .002% have an increased risk of XXXX disorder so the public can misinterpret it as 'if you spank your kids they'll be retarded criminals'
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