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i don't think cancer will ever be cured
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in the sense that there will be a pill or some magical treatment that basically puts it on the shelf next to polio.
cancer is a by product of our current civilization. the only way we will be able to solve these entropic problems is by ceasing the causes, not by merely trying to abate the symptoms.
seems to me that if it is true that our technological progression is causing more problems on an epidemic level then that same system is not going to produce a cure without first either recognizing the causes and stopping them, or making those technologies obsolete through more advanced technologies.
yes, we can look at the physiological cause of cancer as being a retarded self replicating cell that has a party in one or more organs... but surely the last 50 years has seen a tremendous spike in the amount of cancer. I also don't think it is merely "well we have better machines that can detect it so therefor we see more".
I believe our technological advances, be it through GMO's, 24/7 bombardment of all sorts of waves, increasing life expectancy or a latent subconscious desire to be a luddite are one of the possible causes of a spike in cancer and if any of that is true, there will be no pill, only a massive awareness campaign to stop doing X,Y or Z.
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#19277037 - 12/14/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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just live long enough and - cancer. But lifestyle for sure, emotional and physical very likely both will have an effect. I made it over 60. That's pretty amazing really. But from this point on the quality of life will likely (is) decline dramatically. Living long without some sort of miracle drug to reintroduce youth into the aging body is a sad deal.
Sad I say. 
Fucking sad. 
Laughably sad.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
#19277073 - 12/14/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If your erection persists for more than four hours, see your doctor - or nurse! See Alice.
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so you have just relegated yourself to sustaining your own OTD in this corner of PSP?
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: BlueCoyote]
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so if you got cancer you would be fine with just smoking weed?
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19279103 - 12/15/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eventually we'll take every disease and disorder out of the human genome. So I think that you're right in a way, but that the way in which you're right will become irrelevant over time.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: robbyberto]
#19279230 - 12/15/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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not all diseases are genetic...
and changing the genome to create resistance or immunity isn't exactly a zero sum. People with the genetic disorder sickle cell anemia cannot contract malaria, but not really sure which one is worse to have. they can cure malaria, they can't really cure sickle cell anemia. while malaria can be deadly, SCA isn't really great to have with its assortment of complications.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Non-genetic diseases can almost always be cured or at least dealt with, however. In order to be effective a non-genetic disease can't be too virulent or deadly or also it will kill its host too quickly to spread. This is why humanity wasn't wiped out by the plague. But you are correct.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: robbyberto]
#19281008 - 12/15/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't believe cancer is genetic. At best there are genetic markers that might make you more susceptible to certain types of cancer, but ultimately that is my point: cancer is neither intrinsic nor extrinsic (which almost all diseases fall into) but rather a by product of technological advancements.
The studies that explore cancer as a genetic disease only show correlation at best. Just because women whose mothers had breast cancer are more likely to get breast cancer does not in any way show that it is genetic.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19281022 - 12/15/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good point! Cancer is a real bitch!
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: robbyberto]
#19281045 - 12/15/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It may not be, but you just gotta hope. Cancer really sucks, I've seen my best friends mom slowly die because of it, now my mom has it. D:
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: TakeItBreezy]
#19281260 - 12/15/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wish someone would try to make cancer statistics, ignoring physical factors like race, diet, etc and focus solely on Non-physical variable like location, lifestyle, etc.
Like check these charts out http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/data/state.htm?mobile=nocontent
Why would there be patterns to cancer rates and cancer mortality rates if it had to do with genetics? If you drew a circle in the middle of the country, what could you say those areas have in common other than being adjacent? It isn't like healthcare is generally worse in the center of the US. The first thing I think about when I see the second map is the worst states are furthest from the oceans. Now that is stupid right? What would cancer have to do with your proximity to an ocean? I have no idea, but it isn't so ridiculous that things like it shouldn't be investigated.
The problem is that there is no study done anymore into areas that won't turn up findings that can ultimately be made profitable and/ or controllable.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19281281 - 12/15/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I will figure this out for you just let me get my amp script.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: TakeItBreezy]
#19281491 - 12/15/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cancer is more often than not a direct result of one's diet. the human species didn't start getting diseases like cancer, heart disease, stroke, and bone disease until we started eating the flesh of animals. our bodies were not made to, and that is precisely why the human body, after a certain point, is seemingly guaranteed to just start showing signs of serious illness. it's who we're eating.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Blau]
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Blau said: until we started eating the flesh of animals.
We've always eaten the flesh of animals. Look in the mirror at your teeth. See the two sharp ones? Their designed for tearing apart meat.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Blau]
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Blau said: cancer is more often than not a direct result of one's diet. the human species didn't start getting diseases like cancer, heart disease, stroke, and bone disease until we started eating the flesh of animals. our bodies were not made to, and that is precisely why the human body, after a certain point, is seemingly guaranteed to just start showing signs of serious illness. it's who we're eating.
bless your heart child... i bet you think Gluten causes allergies and vaccines cause autism...
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19283672 - 12/16/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Blau said: until we started eating the flesh of animals.
We've always eaten the flesh of animals. Look in the mirror at your teeth. See the two sharp ones? Their designed for tearing apart meat.
that's a pretty common misconception. canine teeth are something pretty exclusive to mammals; ungulates, primates, hippos, and pretty much every other mammal with the exception of animals like rabbits and rats have canines. if you want to compare your canines with that of, say, a lion's, why not also compare them to that of a gorilla? or the fangs on a horse? humans are not carnivorous by nature, and there's more than enough evidence to suggest that we are herbivorous animals. it's what our bodies tell us. this is science.
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Blau said: cancer is more often than not a direct result of one's diet. the human species didn't start getting diseases like cancer, heart disease, stroke, and bone disease until we started eating the flesh of animals. our bodies were not made to, and that is precisely why the human body, after a certain point, is seemingly guaranteed to just start showing signs of serious illness. it's who we're eating.
bless your heart child... i bet you think Gluten causes allergies and vaccines cause autism...
i don't think there's a pretty large percentage of the population allergic to gluten, so no? i'm not sure how these things correlate to how the human diet decides our quality of life.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Blau]
#19283770 - 12/16/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The war against microbes is futile. The inevitable result zombie apocolypse with me and Janus Prospero chick from resident evil the last hope of humanity.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Blau]
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well here is the problem with your meat causes cancer theory... much like the gluten causes allergies theory.
people have been eating meat and wheat for much, much longer periods of time than a perceived "explosion" of these maladies have.
now, if you were to propose a theory in which the increase of meat in our diets, or the processing, or GMO's.... any reason which doesn't massively predate the epidemic then I wouldn't have a derisive objection.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19283814 - 12/16/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the human body literally is not built to thrive on a diet based in animal protein. again, looking at our teeth, we have flat, grinding teeth. our jaws can move laterally, as herbivores' jaws do. our intestines are considerably longer than our bodies, and considerably longer than the intestines of animals naturally inclined to a diet based in animal protein. why is this? because meat rots when it sits in the gut; these carnivorous animals have to push it out much faster than we'd need to get rid of plant matter. when we have meat and eggs in our system, it turns our bodies acidic. our bones leech out calcium to balance our pH; this leads to bone disease. not going to touch all of the bowel problems attributed to a diet based in animal protein, the research is easy to find.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Blau]
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my stepdad and my good friends mom were both degree'd nutritionists. I asked both of them if you could only eat one thing for the rest of your life, what would the best food be? they both answered #1 was breast milk. but #2 was eggs.
I have read that missive about how herbivores have 13x the intestinal length of their body, while carnivores have 3x, but humans have on average 8x, which would be right in the middle.
why are we incapable of digesting cellulose?
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19284474 - 12/16/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: so if you got cancer you would be fine with just smoking weed?
In huge amounts Better use hemp oil, it seems.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
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why are we incapable of digesting cellulose?
We lack both the enzymes to do so and a suitable digestive organ that would allow bacteria to do the job for us.
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why are we incapable of digesting cellulose?
We lack both the enzymes to do so and a suitable digestive organ that would allow bacteria to do the job for us.
that was my point.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
#19287034 - 12/17/13 03:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: just live long enough and - cancer. But lifestyle for sure, emotional and physical very likely both will have an effect. I made it over 60. That's pretty amazing really. But from this point on the quality of life will likely (is) decline dramatically. Living long without some sort of miracle drug to reintroduce youth into the aging body is a sad deal.
Sad I say. 
Fucking sad. 
Laughably sad. 
Anabolic steroids!
--Improves quality and number of muscle fibers, including of the heart. --Improves bone density and strength. --Improves vascular strength.
in tiny dosages.
Courtesy of the life-extensionist party.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Beanhead]
#19287060 - 12/17/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The cure existed before the poison.. They didnt know what it was and forgot.. yet now have discovered and tries to hide it..
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Blau]
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Blau said: cancer is more often than not a direct result of one's diet. the human species didn't start getting diseases like cancer, heart disease, stroke, and bone disease until we started eating the flesh of animals. our bodies were not made to, and that is precisely why the human body, after a certain point, is seemingly guaranteed to just start showing signs of serious illness. it's who we're eating.
This is pure unsubstantiated nonsense. 
My family tree has always been long lived (85-100) year old meat eaters and very healthy until the very end days. All major meat eaters. I worked in the natural foods industry for over 20 years and the sickest lot of them all were the strict vegan/vegetarians.
The problem is mostly grains and that we feed grains to meat instead of letting them eat grass that is high in Omega 3s. Grass fed meat is very good for you.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
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I agree with the OP. Cancer is a symptom of a much larger problem - Our modern lifestyles. Anything that weakens the immune system leads to an increased risk of cancer and the problem is there are so many "little" things that we are exposed to everyday. Unbalanced diets, fast food, processed food, chemical additives like aspartame, lack of exercise, stress, drugs, hormones, pollution.
An article in a major British newspaper today reported a study that has found people living around areas where fracking takes place are likely to be exposed to chemicals that alter hormones and can cause cancer and birth defects.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10520735/Fracking-chemicals-could-cause-infertility-cancer-and-birth-defects.html
Anyone who's ever had affordable dental work done is probably carrying round a mouthful of mercury. It may not seem like a problem on it's own, but it's just one of those things that weakens the immune system just a little bit more.
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Icelander said: The problem is mostly grains and that we feed grains to meat instead of letting them eat grass that is high in Omega 3s. Grass fed meat is very good for you.
Yep. The grains are what we have added to our diet in recent years, not meat! A lot of people are gluten intolerant because our bodies do find wheat hard to break down, especially if the body is already weakened in some way. I basically follow the paleo diet at the moment which is low carb, meat, vegetables, nuts and seeds etc with no grains. That is what our ancestors would have eaten (or pretty similar!).
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Within a few years after aspartame was finally (third time with Rumsfeld a charm) approved, brain cancer went up significantly. Now watch the shills on here tow the party line and advise me why aspartame is not bad. They will use the same bullshit that was used by GD Searle 30 years ago, it's partly a "harmless" amino acid, blah blah blah. Yes and it's partly methyl ester, and methanol is clearly a toxin.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Icelander said: just live long enough and - cancer.
^^This . Cancer is a direct result of our modern lifestyle, specifically our increased lifespans. I think cancer will similarly be cured as part of the ongoing effort to increase lifespans even further. Nanotechnology comes to mind a way to efficiently target only cancerous tissue for destruction, leaving very minimal side effects. It's also possible that the efforts to eliminate genetic aging may reveal a way to shut off whatever processes cause cancer in the first place. Of course, this is assuming that we all make it that far as a technological society. If we do, I think cancer will be relatively easy.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Mr Person]
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I'll be gone. But staying here is not that interesting anymore unless with some really nice drugs. If they could find a way to make it so you wouldn't build tolerance to drugs and eliminate side effects then I'd be interested in sticking around as long as my financial resources held out. Lots of ifs I'm afraid.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
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You wouldn't even need drugs when you can just stimulate the relevant areas of the brain. Might still be side effects though, just different. You never know though. If people like Ray Kurzweil are to be believed it could still happen in your lifetime.
I'm not sure if he's updated his theories or not recently but last I heard he was saying we could hit a singularity by 2015 at the earliest. Due to the supposedly exponential rate of progress it has a way of sneaking up on you then exploding right at the very end.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Mr Person]
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I'm ready for the brave new world. Or an asteriod.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
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I have my suspicions your gas tank and Kraptom and just more shields. A feeling of heroic bravery I myself utilize.
A safe procrastination.
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A safe procrastination.
Kraptom lol.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
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It certainly is genetic, damaged genes are exactly what causes cancer. And carcinogens damage genes, this is how lifestyle factors contribute to cancer.
I guess you mean it's not always hereditary. Some people are genetically predisposed to certain types of cancer, they are born with certain mutations which may or may not lead to the formation of cancers - but the fact they have these mutations already means their potentially cancerous cells have a head-start. We all have the potential to develop cancer, it's just a case of being exposed to enough carcinogens to sufficiently damage your DNA, i.e. living long enough. These carcinogens exist throughout nature, although it seems evident that we're being exposed to more of them and new man-made ones in advanced industrial societies.
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I agree. The manipulation of the human genome will eliminate the threat of cancer. It would be foolish to bet against this happening eventually imo.
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It certainly is genetic, damaged genes are exactly what causes cancer. And carcinogens damage genes, this is how lifestyle factors contribute to cancer.
I guess you mean it's not always hereditary. Some people are genetically predisposed to certain types of cancer, they are born with certain mutations which may or may not lead to the formation of cancers - but the fact they have these mutations already means their potentially cancerous cells have a head-start. We all have the potential to develop cancer, it's just a case of being exposed to enough carcinogens to sufficiently damage your DNA, i.e. living long enough. These carcinogens exist throughout nature, although it seems evident that we're being exposed to more of them and new man-made ones in advanced industrial societies.
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robbyberto said: Eventually we'll take every disease and disorder out of the human genome. So I think that you're right in a way, but that the way in which you're right will become irrelevant over time.
I agree. The manipulation of the human genome will eliminate the threat of cancer. It would be foolish to bet against this happening eventually imo.
What's more foolish is to imagine that somehow the PTB will want cancer cured. When you have genes "patented" for breast cancer and only one company can make the miracle cure based on that, do you think they would give away the Golden Goose?
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Jaegar said: I have my suspicions your gas tank and Kraptom and just more shields. A feeling of heroic bravery I myself utilize.
A safe procrastination.
Of course they are. Everything is imo. But the Kratom is a fun one.
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I've been doing a lot of research into alternative cancer treatments due to a family members cancer. There are a handful of alternative treatments that are working for a decent percentage of people who commit to them. That's not easy for a lot of people because they have to change a lot of things rather than just showing up for a chemo appointment and then going home sicker than a dog. Due to the differences in body chemistry and other factors no one treatment will work for everyone. So some cancers will be cured but not all, ever imo.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Libertin]
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SneezingPenis said: I don't believe cancer is genetic...
It certainly is genetic, damaged genes are exactly what causes cancer. And carcinogens damage genes, this is how lifestyle factors contribute to cancer.
I guess you mean it's not always hereditary. Some people are genetically predisposed to certain types of cancer, they are born with certain mutations which may or may not lead to the formation of cancers - but the fact they have these mutations already means their potentially cancerous cells have a head-start. We all have the potential to develop cancer, it's just a case of being exposed to enough carcinogens to sufficiently damage your DNA, i.e. living long enough. These carcinogens exist throughout nature, although it seems evident that we're being exposed to more of them and new man-made ones in advanced industrial societies.
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robbyberto said: Eventually we'll take every disease and disorder out of the human genome. So I think that you're right in a way, but that the way in which you're right will become irrelevant over time.
I agree. The manipulation of the human genome will eliminate the threat of cancer. It would be foolish to bet against this happening eventually imo.
no, no, no and no. I do not mean it is hereditary. This is the problem with modern science: they have gotten lazy and their experiments are now based on inductive reasoning rather than deductive reasoning.
inductive reasoning can be useful, but at best only finds correlation. As a scientist, correlation is useless.
The problem with genetics is that it is hard to find test subjects that share genetics and don't share a thousand other variables. if the last 4 generations of mothers in your family had breast cancer, it doesn't automatically mean that it has to be genetics. Maybe the last 4 generations of your family has lived in the same shit-hole town that has toxic dump sites.
I get that the fundamental concept of cancer is a genetic mutation within a cell. So it seems that the next logical step is that it has to be genetic. but look at it like this... your DNA is basically a list of protocol. DNA is probably one of the most elegant and nearly infallible protocols ever written but every protocol is at the mercy of not being written in the future- meaning unknowns can pop up and create a situational dichotomy. If a cell's actions are dictated by this protocol and a dichotomy presents itself all the safeguards (lymph nodes) and redundant systems break down. Now you have a rogue cell that believes it is doing its job, but in fact it is doing more bad than good.
It is like that movie Crimson Tide, with denzell washington aboard a nuclear submarine. They had strict protocol with tons of redundant devices and safeguards yet one extremely implausible scenario presented itself which created a dichotomy within the protocol. The protocol was designed to give one explicit answer for any circumstance, but because of an unforeseen problem, the protocol is now giving 2 explicit and contradicting conclusions.
that is how cancer can be a genetic problem, but not exactly a problem solved through fixing genetics. The proper term would be Epigenetic. Like i said before, i do not know what the individual cause of cancer is, but the data shows that it is becoming more rampant than 100 years ago. It could be that we are living longer and our "protocol" was never written with the idea that we would live to be 60. or it is GMO's, or a 10,000% increase of various waves passing through our body. hell it could be a fundamental change in the sun or fucking magnetic poles changing.... I leave that to real scientists to deduce. but we need to start understanding that what passes for science in modern times, is not science. It is no better than me standing on a soapbox in the shroomery rattling off a theory. We have all heard how mothers who smoke have a X% higher chance of having a kid with ADHD and we think that "well it must be the cigarette smoke that does it", rather than think "a test group of women who smoke during their pregnancies probably have a lot more in common than just smoking... like they are shitty people/parents and live in shitty conditions and have sub-par intelligence".
so no... cancer is a by-product of a sick world, and at best it is the latent DNA's reaction to something we collectively fucked up and at worst the beginning of a self-termination program.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
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I believe that in some cases cancer can be cured by a mixture of Baking soda and maple syrup, concentrated cannabis oil, Chagga mushrooms and reishi mushrooms.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Moonshoe]
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I'm not going into detail with this. I lost my dad to cancer. I know what the cure is. It's actually, the removal of things. Processed foods, pesticides, chemicals etc. Wonder why cancer wasn't so big 100 years ago and suddenly tripled in death count since the 80's or so?
The cure, so to speak, is avoidance of horrible things for the body we are fporced to eat. Pesticides get swallowed up by our vegetation and we eat that. It's unnatural and destroys the body.
A 'cure' would just allow people to continue to eat shit and live unhealthy lives. The cure exists, it's called changing your lifestyle. Were just fed bad things so our insurance and families can foot hefty bills.
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Step one, avoid anything the doctor says. Their intentions may be there, but the truth is another alien chemical won't help the immune system.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Atrium]
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I think taking such a black and white approach could be a mistake. Do your homework. When it comes to cancer I mostly agree though.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
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The worst that can happen at all by avoidance of a doctors prescription and radiation is death. Only this death won't run up a massive bill or leave the individual without life in their last days. If, somehow they "take a turn for the worst" without chemo, I'd be shocked. The entire system of radiation, chemo, and prescriptions is meant to destroy, not save.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Atrium]
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Like I said I generally agree but an operation to remove a large cancerous tumor and then using alternative methods would be something I might consider for myself. I'd do my homework even there.
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That is all I can advise. Yes, a large malignant tumor would be the exception here but generally, avoid the "science" of oncology.
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Instead adopt the science of New Age faddism.
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I'd rather go that route than medical madness/murder. I'm watching them off my brother in law in the worst ways while robbing him blind. They've turned him into a suffering cripple imo. The damage that radiation and chemo has done to his life is amazing. While his sister who has steadfastly refused treatment for a similar cancer is in less pain, less physical damage, and looks like is going to live a lot longer before sucumming.
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Kudoz to you then Icelander.. unlike many, you have understood a simple piece of what really is logic.. doing things that will hurt you, will actually hurt you...
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icyus]
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I'm doing my research now on alternative treatments. I actually have known a few who have had success with alternatives so I'm not believing it's all baloney although I think there's plenty of that also. I've got about three treatments that I'd try if I got the cancer word and chemo and radiation are OUT. I'm convinced they don't cure and instead cripple many. OC can take that route if he chooses should that event come about and I wish him the best of luck of course.
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Icelander please research chaga mushroom and reishi mushroom as cancer treatments and also the baking soda with maple syrup treatment .
Chaga mushroom is said to be as effective as chemo without the horrible side effects.
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Yet everything you post is fiction...
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Moonshoe said: Icelander please research chaga mushroom and reishi mushroom as cancer treatments and also the baking soda with maple syrup treatment .
Chaga mushroom is said to be as effective as chemo without the horrible side effects.
Ooga Chaga is supposed to be even better.
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Moonshoe said: Icelander please research chaga mushroom and reishi mushroom as cancer treatments and also the baking soda with maple syrup treatment .
Chaga mushroom is said to be as effective as chemo without the horrible side effects.
I'll take a look thanks.
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You only say this because yoiu know not the pain associated with these actions. I'm glad for you. In a sense, you are still a child and therefore innocent and without pain.
Edit:yes the mushroom will be effective. The truth is anything that won't ,make pharma a lot of money is not considered "valid" treatment. There's quite a few unaired treatments but guess who runs politics and media? Rich motherfuckers who want to get richer.
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'All natural' coffee enemas FTW.
Controversy arose over McQueen's Mexican trip, because McQueen sought a non-traditional cancer treatment that used coffee enemas, frequent washing with shampoos, daily injections of fluid containing live cells from cows and sheep, massage and laetrile, a supposedly "natural" anti-cancer drug available in Mexico, but not approved by the US Food and Drug Administration. McQueen paid for these unconventional medical treatments by himself in cash payments which was said to have cost an upwards of $40,000 per month during his three-month stay in Mexico. McQueen was treated by William Donald Kelley, whose only medical license had been (until revoked in 1976) for orthodontics.[65] Kelley's methods created a sensation in the traditional and tabloid press when it was known that McQueen was a patient.[66][67] McQueen returned to the US in early October. Despite metastasis of the cancer through McQueen's body, Kelley publicly announced that McQueen would be completely cured and return to normal life. McQueen's condition soon worsened and "huge" tumors developed in his abdomen.[65] In late October 1980, McQueen flew to Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, Mexico to have an abdominal tumor on his liver (weighing around five pounds) removed, despite warnings from his US doctors that the tumor was inoperable and his heart could not withstand the surgery.[65][68] McQueen checked into a Juarez clinic under the assumed name of "Sam Shepard" where the doctors and staff at the small, low-income clinic were unaware of his actual identity. On November 7, 1980, Steve McQueen died at the age of 50 at the Juárez clinic following the surgical operation to remove or reduce several metastatic tumors in his neck and abdomen.[68] He had in fact died of cardiac arrest at 3:45 am in his hospital bed more than 12 hours after the surgery to remove the tumors. An article in the El Paso Times noted that before his death he awoke in his hospital bed and asked the nurse for some ice water and then died.
Fruit and vegetable juicing FTW.
After audiences were shocked by his gaunt appearance during January 1984 performances, Kaufman acknowledged that he had an unspecified illness which he hoped to cure with "natural medicine" including a diet of all fruits and vegetables, among other measures. Kaufman received palliative radiotherapy, but by then the cancer had rapidly spread from his lungs to his brain. His last resort was "psychic surgery," a New Age procedure performed in Baguio, Philippines, in March 1984. Kaufman died at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in West Hollywood, California on May 16, 1984 of kidney failure caused by metastasized large-cell lung carcinoma, and his body was interred in the Beth David Cemetery in Elmont, New York, (Long Island). He was 35 years old.
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What's your point? How do you determine what would have happened had they gone another route?
I can post that same shit about my brother in law's traditional cancer treatment. The chemo has destroyed the nerves in his feet and hands. He can no longer walk as he's lost feeling in his feet. And the doctors told him it was due to the treatments although they hardly mentioned it as something he should be concerned about when they began chemo treatments. He's a barely living mess now and was out playing hard until the treatments. He went in for a mild heart attack and and they found the cancer. They told him it was not in his bones yet because they had caught it early. Then he had some bone pain and they tested again a couple of weeks later and said the first scans were incorrect and it was all over in his bones. I'm just giving you a taste of the crap they've been dishing out to him to the tunes of hundreds of thousands of dollars. And guess what. He's not cured and now they're saying it doesn't look so good. When he went in just a few months ago they said he really didn't have hardly any cancer and a recovery was very likely indeed. They've given him enough ct scans and xrays to make Fukushima look like a cakewalk. 
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Controversy arose over McQueen's Mexican trip, because McQueen sought a non-traditional cancer treatment that used coffee enemas, frequent washing with shampoos, daily injections of fluid containing live cells from cows and sheep, massage and laetrile, a supposedly "natural" anti-cancer drug available in Mexico, but not approved by the US Food and Drug Administration. McQueen paid for these unconventional medical treatments by himself in cash payments which was said to have cost an upwards of $40,000 per month during his three-month stay in Mexico. McQueen was treated by William Donald Kelley, whose only medical license had been (until revoked in 1976) for orthodontics.[65] Kelley's methods created a sensation in the traditional and tabloid press when it was known that McQueen was a patient.[66][67] McQueen returned to the US in early October. Despite metastasis of the cancer through McQueen's body, Kelley publicly announced that McQueen would be completely cured and return to normal life. McQueen's condition soon worsened and "huge" tumors developed in his abdomen.[65] In late October 1980, McQueen flew to Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, Mexico to have an abdominal tumor on his liver (weighing around five pounds) removed, despite warnings from his US doctors that the tumor was inoperable and his heart could not withstand the surgery.[65][68] McQueen checked into a Juarez clinic under the assumed name of "Sam Shepard" where the doctors and staff at the small, low-income clinic were unaware of his actual identity. On November 7, 1980, Steve McQueen died at the age of 50 at the Juárez clinic following the surgical operation to remove or reduce several metastatic tumors in his neck and abdomen.[68] He had in fact died of cardiac arrest at 3:45 am in his hospital bed more than 12 hours after the surgery to remove the tumors. An article in the El Paso Times noted that before his death he awoke in his hospital bed and asked the nurse for some ice water and then died.
Fruit and vegetable juicing FTW.
After audiences were shocked by his gaunt appearance during January 1984 performances, Kaufman acknowledged that he had an unspecified illness which he hoped to cure with "natural medicine" including a diet of all fruits and vegetables, among other measures. Kaufman received palliative radiotherapy, but by then the cancer had rapidly spread from his lungs to his brain. His last resort was "psychic surgery," a New Age procedure performed in Baguio, Philippines, in March 1984. Kaufman died at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in West Hollywood, California on May 16, 1984 of kidney failure caused by metastasized large-cell lung carcinoma, and his body was interred in the Beth David Cemetery in Elmont, New York, (Long Island). He was 35 years old.
chemotherapy FTW.
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Yeah medical science can give me some good opiates for the pain and benzos for the anxiety, and I will welcome surgery to remove cancer tissue but I will pass on the chemo and radiation.
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What's your point? How do you determine what would have happened had they gone another route?
You post an anecdote and I post an anecdote. See how that works?
How do you determine what would have happened had they gone another route with your BIL?
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my grandmother led a normal life with breast cancer (double mastectomy) for 12 years leading a healthy life and a complete macrobiotic diet. Then a new wonder treatment called chemotherapy was showing promise. Her quality of life went from being a normal person with no pain to a bed-ridden, withered, shell of a person in 6 months. chemo killed her, not cancer. I can't imagine any scenario in which her quality of life would have been worse sans chemo. The worst part is this bullshit hope that chemo gives people. some of them actually welcome the vomiting, hair loss and weakness because they smile through it and think it is some penance for getting better.
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I hope ny canabis prevention therapy will work out. If I really catch cancer one day, I will think about treatment with hemp oil.
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What's your point? How do you determine what would have happened had they gone another route?
You post an anecdote and I post an anecdote. See how that works?
How do you determine what would have happened had they gone another route with your BIL?
I pretty much can give you two things. One there would have been some benefit. Two nothing.
With the medical profession there is a third and it is by far the most prevalent when it comes to cancer from what I'm seeing.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19331870 - 12/27/13 06:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: my grandmother led a normal life with breast cancer (double mastectomy) for 12 years leading a healthy life and a complete macrobiotic diet. Then a new wonder treatment called chemotherapy was showing promise. Her quality of life went from being a normal person with no pain to a bed-ridden, withered, shell of a person in 6 months. chemo killed her, not cancer. I can't imagine any scenario in which her quality of life would have been worse sans chemo. The worst part is this bullshit hope that chemo gives people. some of them actually welcome the vomiting, hair loss and weakness because they smile through it and think it is some penance for getting better.
This is not an isolated story. CHEMO KILLS and not cancer (although it does kill some cancer cells )but the patient. Anyone invested in so called efficacy of modern medicine on this one is a full on dupe imo. They don't see the criminal intent behind the treatment to gain the dollar and control. Reminds me of the priests in good old days.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: BlueCoyote]
#19331922 - 12/27/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: I hope ny canabis prevention therapy will work out. If I really catch cancer one day, I will think about treatment with hemp oil.
Maybe you can get some useless Marinol on perscription if you do. I'm sure the gov can figure out yet more ways to make some other useless expensive pills from the plant. Probably add some flavors and other shit to make it toxic. Aspartame! Yes sweeter pills are better pills. Nobody wants to eat that bitter pill.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: LunarEclipse]
#19331928 - 12/27/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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People need to get it through their sculls the World health organization only wishes to destroy health.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icyus]
#19331952 - 12/27/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icyus said: People need to get it through their sculls the World health organization only wishes to destroy health.
My sis had cancer, her hubster found the 40% mortality research project at NIH that managed to even try to get me involved. Let's just say when no informed consent forms are given, and for me to risk my health by getting jacked up with hormones, then have "stem cells" harvested through a blood machine wasn't in the cards. I did my research and came to valid conclusions. When one considers the 0% chance of helping and the 100% chance of hurting in the name of research, the terminal one doesn't give that consideration. They can only see the carrot. Further, I think they completely fudged the supposed 63:1 match just to put more pressure on me to become a guinea pig in their evil scheme. Show me the fucking results gov show me some forms. All driven through Dr. Evil himself.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: LunarEclipse]
#19332043 - 12/27/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is neither good nor evil, really.. but I percieve such people fools in their greed anyway.. good luck with you suffering existance, i would say...
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
#19332504 - 12/27/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said:
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SneezingPenis said: my grandmother led a normal life with breast cancer (double mastectomy) for 12 years leading a healthy life and a complete macrobiotic diet. Then a new wonder treatment called chemotherapy was showing promise. Her quality of life went from being a normal person with no pain to a bed-ridden, withered, shell of a person in 6 months. chemo killed her, not cancer. I can't imagine any scenario in which her quality of life would have been worse sans chemo. The worst part is this bullshit hope that chemo gives people. some of them actually welcome the vomiting, hair loss and weakness because they smile through it and think it is some penance for getting better.
This is not an isolated story. CHEMO KILLS and not cancer (although it does kill some cancer cells )but the patient. Anyone invested in so called efficacy of modern medicine on this one is a full on dupe imo. They don't see the criminal intent behind the treatment to gain the dollar and control. Reminds me of the priests in good old days.
Looks like you have your tinfoil hat on. Conspiracy theorist! 
I totally agree with you.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icyus]
#19332559 - 12/27/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icyus said: There is neither good nor evil, really.. but I percieve such people fools in their greed anyway.. good luck with you suffering existance, i would say...
Well you obviously haven't met Dr. Evil, if you had you would realize there is in fact evil.
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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Moonshoe]
#19332586 - 12/27/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Moonshoe said:
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Icelander said:
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SneezingPenis said: my grandmother led a normal life with breast cancer (double mastectomy) for 12 years leading a healthy life and a complete macrobiotic diet. Then a new wonder treatment called chemotherapy was showing promise. Her quality of life went from being a normal person with no pain to a bed-ridden, withered, shell of a person in 6 months. chemo killed her, not cancer. I can't imagine any scenario in which her quality of life would have been worse sans chemo. The worst part is this bullshit hope that chemo gives people. some of them actually welcome the vomiting, hair loss and weakness because they smile through it and think it is some penance for getting better.
This is not an isolated story. CHEMO KILLS and not cancer (although it does kill some cancer cells )but the patient. Anyone invested in so called efficacy of modern medicine on this one is a full on dupe imo. They don't see the criminal intent behind the treatment to gain the dollar and control. Reminds me of the priests in good old days.
Looks like you have your tinfoil hat on. Conspiracy theorist! 
I totally agree with you.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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