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need help with gun buying
    #19276404 - 12/14/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



looking for a semi automatic rifle . recommendations?


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: NWlight]
    #19276416 - 12/14/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How much are you looking to spend?


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19276420 - 12/14/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

as much as 1,000 hopefully a few hundred less maybe 800

lightly used is fine


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: NWlight]
    #19276422 - 12/14/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Target shooting/fucking around, or are you going to want to hunt "legally" with it?


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19276427 - 12/14/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

target shooting and fucking around and just in case wwIII

i feel it's my civic duty to have a gun


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: NWlight]
    #19276445 - 12/14/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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target shooting and fucking around and just in case wwIII

i feel it's my civic duty to have a gun



So I'm assuming caliber is an issue?  Anything specific caliber in mind?


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: NWlight] * 1
    #19276449 - 12/14/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ruger Mini-14 is a nice one for that.  You could spend more and get their SR-762, but I've never shot one so I can't vouch for them although I'm sure they're just spiffy.  Ruger also has a decent selection of accessory parts for their rifles so you can really customize them and so forth. 

You could check your local classifieds or whatever and find a cheap enough .308, .30-06, .223, etc.  I like those because the ammo is fairly ubiquitous.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19276461 - 12/14/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I was gonna recommend a Mini-14


Also, since OP doesn't mind going slightly used, check out some local gun/pawn shops for a slightly used AR-15. 

The Mini-14 and most AR-15's are chambered in .223

However, some of the higher end AR-15's are designed to use milspec 5.56 NATO without potentially damaging the receiver (.223 caliber bullet, but operates at a higher pressure).


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: NWlight]
    #19276472 - 12/14/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ruger 10/22 would be a good first rifle, its only .22lr but it's still useful and fun to use. Especially for target shooting.

What caliber did you have in mind ?

Are you thinking it would be for long distance- beyond a 100 yards ?


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19276474 - 12/14/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would stay away from .223 or 556 because ammo is scarce right now. I have a GSG .22 and I love it just to fuck around with but .22 ammo is the rarest to get right now (At least where I live).

Your best bet is to get a 9mm of some sort. Even a brand new one shouldnt be more than $600-$800

EDIT: If you can, get a bump fire stock. They are fun as hell, but ammo goes fast lol


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #19276486 - 12/14/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was initially going to recommend something chambered for .22lr, but opted to recommend something with more stopping power since OP suggested he wants something effective in WW3 :lol:


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19276488 - 12/14/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

are you looking for an assault type rifle? or just a semi automatic rifle? what would be a caliber of ammunition that is easily found locally in enough quantity too suit your needs without having to unload your wallet for just a few hundred rounds. your local gun shop should have some decently priced used guns that have less than normal wear and tear on them. they will also be able too better help you with your needs, although it is nice to have ageneral idea of what you want before you walk in. i also try and stay away from the gun shops with snappy and grumpy owners.

http://remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-750/model-750-synthetic.aspx
is a nice product and im sure you could find one at a shop for 4/500 bucks no problem.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #19276504 - 12/14/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe you would like the cx-4 storm.  It comes in 9mm with a lot of different options.



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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: whitelights]
    #19276539 - 12/14/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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are you looking for an assault type rifle? or just a semi automatic rifle? what would be a caliber of ammunition that is easily found locally in enough quantity too suit your needs without having to unload your wallet for just a few hundred rounds. your local gun shop should have some decently priced used guns that have less than normal wear and tear on them. they will also be able too better help you with your needs, although it is nice to have ageneral idea of what you want before you walk in. i also try and stay away from the gun shops with snappy and grumpy owners.

http://remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-750/model-750-synthetic.aspx
is a nice product and im sure you could find one at a shop for 4/500 bucks no problem.



assault rifle for sure.  if im gonna have a rifle i want a badass rifle that can save my life if the shit hits the fan.


already got a pistol


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #19276573 - 12/14/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I have a GSG .22 and I love it just to fuck around with but .22 ammo is the rarest to get right now (At least where I live).






.22 lr is hard to find where I'm at and has been for a while.  Some places have even made signs to place on the gun counters to notify when they're out of stock, which is 95% of the time unless you show up within an hour after their truck arrives. :sad:


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: NWlight]
    #19276588 - 12/14/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The AK47 is hard to beat and the ammo is pretty well stocked in most stores.  They have to keep the Crips and Bloods supplied.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: mpd]
    #19276604 - 12/14/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The AK47 is hard to beat and the ammo is pretty well stocked in most stores.  They have to keep the Crips and Bloods supplied.





I have no issues finding ammo and the pricing is only marginally higher than
it was a couple of years ago, the gun stores in the area always have
sufficient stock, enough so that my friend went in and picked up 1000 rds of
.45, .223 and 9mm. and 4000rds of .22 and it didnt even put a dent in their stock

like a few others mentioned, the rugur mini-14 is a good one to consider
a new sporting goods store in the area has been running ads for a colt M4 at
only $600, it's an AR-15 and real colt. some makes are in the $500 range


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: MorphinTime]
    #19276686 - 12/14/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I have a GSG .22 and I love it just to fuck around with but .22 ammo is the rarest to get right now (At least where I live).






.22 lr is hard to find where I'm at and has been for a while.  Some places have even made signs to place on the gun counters to notify when they're out of stock, which is 95% of the time unless you show up within an hour after their truck arrives. :sad:



Yeah the last time I bought .22lr ammo I could only get 2 bricks because thats all that was left. Then for some reason 9mm ammo was in high demand so I got to the shop when they just put it on the shelf and bought $500 worth.

I used to have a golden hook up. My co workers ex girlfriend works at a huge store in the receiving department and when they would get ammo in she would put some aside for us. But then he fucked everything up and broke up with her!!! He ruins everything good


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #19276694 - 12/14/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ar-15. There's a reason they're so popular. I can't think of any reason to buy a mini-14 over a ar-15.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #19276732 - 12/14/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A fucking AR-15 costs like $1200 when a Mini 14 shoots a .223 or 5.56 NATO for under $900.  I think a few hundred bucks is a pretty damn good reason for some people.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19276765 - 12/14/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ar-15. There's a reason they're so popular.





because loads of people like them?

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A fucking AR-15 costs like $1200





I can get ARs for under $900 at walmart, gun stores carry them from $500+ locally


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19276779 - 12/14/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ar-15. There's a reason they're so popular.





because loads of people like them?

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A fucking AR-15 costs like $1200





I can get ARs for under $900 at walmart, gun stores carry them from $500+ locally



Yeah and loads of people don't like them for no reason. Ditto on the walmart/gun stores. I've seen bushmasters for sale at gander mountain for $599


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #19276789 - 12/14/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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luvdemboomers said:
Ar-15. There's a reason they're so popular.





because loads of people like them?





Yeah and loads of people don't like them for no reason.





loads of people dont like them for what ever reason, same with anything else


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19276812 - 12/14/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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luvdemboomers said:
Ar-15. There's a reason they're so popular.





because loads of people like them?





Yeah and loads of people don't like them for no reason.





loads of people dont like them for what ever reason, same with anything else




Yeah I was trying to word that better but gave up.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #19276825 - 12/14/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would go to a range and try a bunch to see what fits best with you.

Its more important you shoot it well than it is a bad ass gun.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Shins]
    #19276832 - 12/14/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I would go to a range and try a bunch to see what fits best with you.

Its more important you shoot it well than it is a bad ass gun.



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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #19276971 - 12/14/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Biodiversity said:
Ruger 10/22 would be a good first rifle, its only .22lr but it's still useful and fun to use. Especially for target shooting.

What caliber did you have in mind ?

Are you thinking it would be for long distance- beyond a 100 yards ?



Quote:

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I would stay away from .223 or 556 because ammo is scarce right now. I have a GSG .22 and I love it just to fuck around with but .22 ammo is the rarest to get right now (At least where I live).

Your best bet is to get a 9mm of some sort. Even a brand new one shouldnt be more than $600-$800

EDIT: If you can, get a bump fire stock. They are fun as hell, but ammo goes fast lol


22 lr is hard to find any where.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19278255 - 12/15/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My buddy has a Rock River Arms setup that is really nice but it's well over a thousand when you include a nice scope and bipod, etc.  I guess I just suggested the Mini-14 because of the simplicity by comparison with the option to expand if you wanted to.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19278410 - 12/15/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If your going with a WWIII scenario consider that there won't be a lot of police/military presence so their arsenal is up for grabs. 9mm and .40 would be your most abundant sidearm ammo. 5.56mm and 12 gauge for your rifle/shotguns. Anything larger is a waste. Also buy American, we are the top dog when it comes to firearms. You also get competitive pricing and a wide selection, without paying import markups or getting bogged in legalities.


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    #19278417 - 12/15/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I hadn't done any price shopping for AR's since about a year ago when the shootings happened in Newtown and Aurora.  They were inflated like crazy so I guess that's why I was so off on prices - still, AR's are very nice and fun to shoot, I still would rather just have the Mini-14 as I'm not a gun snob.  I wouldn't feel as bad taking a Mini-14 out and getting it "dirty" in the woods so much.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19278454 - 12/15/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just get a DPMS Ar-15 700 brand new......


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: NWlight]
    #19278462 - 12/15/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Semi Auto AK47 by a good manufacturer. Most battle proven rifle ever, wont let you down, you could teach your kid how to use it, accurate to 1000 ft, no pussyass caliber but a big chunk of lead with a hefty scoop of powder behind it, 30 round mag, easily jungle clipped to 60.

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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: NWlight]
    #19278467 - 12/15/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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looking for a semi automatic rifle . recommendations?




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    #19278495 - 12/15/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19278503 - 12/15/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry NWlight, I don't want too highjack your thread, it would just seem strange to have two threads about the same thing active a the same time.

I have been toying with the idea of gun ownership for some time now, and I have finnaly decided to pull the trigger.
(Hahaha word play :flowstone:)
I'm looking for a pistol at this time, later I plan to get something more but it seems a pistol would be an obvious start.
Price is not at all an object, I don't plan on doing any hunting, I only want it for target practice and the potential of home invasion.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: SARAtonin]
    #19278525 - 12/15/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you're looking to spend a lot on a nice target shooting pistol, look into Kimbers. 

I've always wanted a Walther P99 or like a CZ 75 or something like that.  I have a Beretta 92fs and it's ok, not my favorite shooter but I got a good deal on it basically.  People will come in here and circle jerk about calibers now, though.  I'm sure you'll hear all kinds of reasons why .45 is better than 9mm, etc, ad nauseum.  Or some other kind of uncommon round.  I buy guns that are cheaper to shoot and have easily available ammo.  It's easy to burn up $50 worth of rounds in a couple of minutes on more "exotic" calibers.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: SARAtonin]
    #19278553 - 12/15/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Pistol for home invasions: If money is no object... .45 acp 1911. Lots of stopping power... Would you be able to handle the recoil?


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19278558 - 12/15/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Pistols are pretty easy to shop for, pawn shops out here sell reliable equipment for under $200 and that's for either 9mm or .45
They're not as pretty as a colt but will shoot as well

Personally I keep a can of bear spray for home defense, have had too many break ins to just shoot anyone I find in my living room.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: rew736]
    #19278569 - 12/15/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Pistol for home invasions: If money is no object... .45 acp 1911. Lots of stopping power... Would you be able to handle the recoil?




^ +1


Also, a shotgun is a good idea for home defense as well, considering you don't want to penetrate walls too much usually in that situation.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19278637 - 12/15/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I used to have the S&W/Walther P99 in .40, not my cup of tea. The steel slide and barrel juxtaposed with the plastic lower make the recoil a particular pain in the ass. Does no favors for sight realignment either.the worst is the plastic trigger, the edge of the metal spring on the trigger is like finger nails on a chalk board. Just my 2ÂĄ. Solid piece in all other respects


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: myc_check1212]
    #19278654 - 12/15/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like my Beretta because the recoil is low (all metal) but the weight is pretty substantial with a full magazine.  I might buy a Browning High Power somewhere down the line because I have a WW2 Nazi proofed one that was confiscated in Belgium during the Battle of the Bulge off a captive Nazi.  It's actually an FN model based off the Browning but it's pretty much identical to the High Power.  I love the thing.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19278687 - 12/15/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ak74 or 100 series. Buy a sporter saiga and putz with it. 500 bucks used. 5.56 or 5.45 or 7.62x39 or 7.62x54 or 308 or 30-06, they got u covered with a full proof system. Or go for the absolute kill them all and let thier respective gods sort them out and get a saiga 12. Cheap birdshot up to brenke ko slugs it can kill it all. 20 rounds of 12 pellet 00 buck shreds anything,  each pellet is the size of a 9mm so u do the math. As for a pistol just get a glock, yes its tupperware but thats what u want if shtf. Thier 45 holds more rounds then a 1911 (except sti comp build) and u can buy 4 for the price of a good 1911


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19278710 - 12/15/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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rew736 said:
Pistol for home invasions: If money is no object... .45 acp 1911. Lots of stopping power... Would you be able to handle the recoil?





no such thing as stopping power

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Also, a shotgun is a good idea for home defense as well, considering you don't want to penetrate walls too much usually in that situation.





I disagree from a tactical standpoint, long guns are bad because of
telegraphing, low penetration doesnt kill an intruder, it often wont
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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: magicbroncoride]
    #19278717 - 12/15/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Bear in mind what you'll have to carry that weight too. Weapon weight is negligible between models, ammo is a different story. You can carry more 5.56mm than 7.62mm.


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    #19278730 - 12/15/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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idiotek said:
Also, a shotgun is a good idea for home defense as well, considering you don't want to penetrate walls too much usually in that situation.





I disagree from a tactical standpoint, long guns are bad because of
telegraphing, low penetration doesnt kill an intruder, it often wont
slow them down much




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    #19278740 - 12/15/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It will blow the bad guys out too, make be most of his CVT if the shot placement is true!


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    #19278742 - 12/15/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A 12 gauge with a short barrel even without a pistol grip is excellent for home defense.  You stick a couple of birdshot in there and light someone's ass up in the dark without necessarily worrying about killing somebody in the next room.  Pris, you have to be kidding me with the whole "shotguns don't slow people down" remark.  That is absurd.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19278760 - 12/15/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I just realized shotguns offer nonlethal options as well. Beanbags, rubber slug or rubber pellet. It put Knoxville down quick at 21 feet, just as deadly in close quarters

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    #19278817 - 12/15/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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A 12 gauge with a short barrel even without a pistol grip is excellent for home defense.  You stick a couple of birdshot in there and light someone's ass up in the dark without necessarily worrying about killing somebody in the next room.  Pris, you have to be kidding me with the whole "shotguns don't slow people down" remark.  That is absurd.





with 00 buck it will but then you have the penetration issue, bird shot is
worthless even at close range, the wadding will do more damage than the shot

someone posted a news story about a guy shot 3 times, point blank with a
shotgun loaded with birdshot, it messed up his arm a bit but the shot to
the chest and head did nothing but cause a bunch of shallow bleeding wounds


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Birdshot as a Defense Load
I have had a lot of questions, summed up as follows: How effective is birdshot (#4, #6, #8, etc.) as a defense load?

We have done tests with various birdshot loads. Birdshot penetrated through two pieces of drywall (representing one wall) and was stopped in the paper on the front of the second wall. The problem with birdshot is that it does not penetrate enough to be effective as a defense round. Birdshot is designed to bring down little birds.

A policeman told of seeing a guy shot at close range with a load of 12 gauge birdshot, and was not even knocked down. He was still walking around when the EMTs got there. It was an ugly, shallow wound, but did not STOP the guy. And that is what we want... to STOP the bad guy from whatever he is doing. To do this, you must have a load that will reach the vitals of the bad guy. Birdshot will not do this.

In fact, tests have shown that even #4 Buckshot lacks the necessary penetration to reach the vital organs. Only 0 Buck, 00 Buck, and 000 Buck penetrate enough to reach the vital organs.

Unless you expect to be attacked by little birds, do not use birdshot. Use 00 Buck. It will do the job.

But doesn't 00 Buck penetrate too much in interior walls to be a "safe" load in a home?
Yes, it does penetrate a lot. But any load that is going to be effective will need to penetrate walls to have enough power to penetrate bad guys. If our only concern was to be sure we didn't penetrate walls, we would use BB guns. However, BB guns will not stop bad guys.




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    #19278842 - 12/15/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I seen the Mythbusters do an item involving shooting people at point blank range and like Prisoner said its not really convincing in the real world.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: myc_check1212]
    #19278845 - 12/15/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I just realized shotguns offer nonlethal options as well. Beanbags, rubber slug or rubber pellet. It put Knoxville down quick at 21 feet, just as deadly in close quarters.





they're known as 'less than lethal' options because they can still be deadly


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    #19278851 - 12/15/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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as much as 1,000 hopefully a few hundred less maybe 800

lightly used is fine



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A fucking AR-15 costs like $1200 when a Mini 14 shoots a .223 or 5.56 NATO for under $900.  I think a few hundred bucks is a pretty damn good reason for some people.




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    #19278903 - 12/15/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes you are correct sir, I should fix that.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: myc_check1212]
    #19278956 - 12/15/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

All this gun talk gets me excited! I am gonna go get a new one soon since I havent got one in a while. I have always wanted a Glock22 .40 which are on sale right now for $475. But I do think the S&W 500 are badass as fuck, but those are $1000, the ammo is expensive (I think $1.75 a round), and my hand/wrist would get sore real quick. Decisions decisions...


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    #19279003 - 12/15/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

NWlight said:
as much as 1,000 hopefully a few hundred less maybe 800

lightly used is fine



Ar
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idiotek said:
A fucking AR-15 costs like $1200 when a Mini 14 shoots a .223 or 5.56 NATO for under $900.  I think a few hundred bucks is a pretty damn good reason for some people.




I like AR-15's this would be my choice



I got a stainless tactical mini 14 clean s hell w/ folding stock,4 20 round mags,flash suppressor for $440(talked down from like $600) on backpage.i like the mini 14 because the actions are so damn robust it practically never jams,not to mention all mini 14s EXCEPT the target model(223 only) shoot BOTH .223 and 5.56


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #19279011 - 12/15/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Buying a gun should be like buying a car, look at long term cost to own. With the money saved with the glock buy you can tac out like a mother fucker, high viz sight, extended magazine, spring packages make for an effective weapon platform.
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    #19279030 - 12/15/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a huge fan of the mini 14, its as good as the ar in some respects. Plus wood on a firearm is so sexy.


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    #19279046 - 12/15/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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AR-15 for the WIN!




Or a delicious bacon AK...
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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: vinsue]
    #19279091 - 12/15/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Mini 14 has accuracy and barrel issues but decent gun.

AR - 15 is decent too but its not as robust or reliable as other rifles.  I'm calling it over rated but good.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Shins]
    #19279126 - 12/15/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Shins said:
Mini 14 has accuracy and barrel issues but decent gun.

AR - 15 is decent too but its not as robust or reliable as other rifles.  I'm calling it over rated but good.


I personally like a variety of bullpups for their obvious advantages.  FN SCAR is a nice rifle too.






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    #19279152 - 12/15/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

nice,looks like you have some nice magpul accessories.love the back up iron sights.is that an aftermarket pistol grip?looks sexay:thumbup:


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    #19279162 - 12/15/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Its definitelt a solid choice for sure, I just find it a bit over rated compared to some other rifles out there.


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    #19279163 - 12/15/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't really like the look of the SCAR.the stock looks like an astronaughts moon boot and looks clunkier than the AR


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Shins]
    #19279715 - 12/15/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Firstly thanks a lot everyone for all of the help.

Ya.. The recoil is for sure something that I am worried about.
Seeing as I am a girl a little over 6 feet and am only about 120 lbs.
Granted I dodo have quite a bit of arm strength from years of climbing/bouldering.

And you made a good point about a shotgun, it would be ideal for home invasion type of threat.
Although I'm willing to bet of I'm worried about the recoil from a handgun a shotgun would pack much a bigger punch.

I liked the suggestion of a P99 so I have been looking around.
http://www.waltherarms.com/products/handguns/p99/#.Uq3kfJDn-ax

What exactly is the advantage/disadvantages of getting the 2796325 model compared to the 2796376 model besides compasity and height? And visavirsa.

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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: joe666]
    #19279756 - 12/15/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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AR-15 for the WIN!





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    #19279776 - 12/15/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What exactly is the advantage/disadvantages of getting the 2796325 model compared to the 2796376 model besides compasity and height? And visavirsa.

Another thing where can I expect to see the best deals, gun shows and stuff?




walther makes a good pistol, the difference in the two is really only
magazine capacity and little more length and height on the 625, I opt
for the higher capacity if for no other reason than you dont want to
run out of ammo when it's needed most but hopefully you'd never be in
that situation

one thing I suggest is that you assess your needs with a pistol, of course
target shooting, possibly home defense and maybe concealed carry. when
looking for a concealed carry pistol them you want something small if you
intend to carry it on your body. something such as a Bersa Thunder in .380,
it's low in recoil but carries only 7 in the magazine. for something
smaller but with more recoil (still not that bad), the Ruger LCP/LC380 is a
good pistol, it's very concealable and pretty comfortable, it's also a .380
with a 7rd mag.

to get a better idea of what's out there and things to consider, especially
for concealed carry, here's a short list of articles with a read.
ultimately, hit the gun stores and handle these guns, talk with the guys
working and ask them anything that you feel is a concern including the best
way to carry, for everyone it'll be a little different, I like to carry in
the small of my back because it places the handle of the pistol just above
my wallet (it's usually empty) so I can draw smoothly without calling undue
attention to actions. for you, a pocket holster or even a cross draw
holster may be more suitable. that's what these guys are there for.

this will help initially
http://www.handgunsmag.com/concealed-carry/


a few things to remember, there's no such thing as "stopping power or
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on, you should murder loads of paper, it probably deserves it anyway and
large calibers arent always the answer, a .380 is as deadly as a .45 if you
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such as how you'll draw if you're in a seated position, how you would if
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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19279928 - 12/15/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

don't own a gun never will

.45 stopping power

you hit someone blam

i mean you hit someone in the right spot with anything

but a .45 will go through
a 9mm could stop depending on how far you are
they could still be able to react

the .45 will send em into shock guaranteed

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    #19279939 - 12/15/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Awesome thanks for the info! :grin:
I'm reading through it right now.

I'm obviously no gun expert but I take it a P99 would be too big a gun for concealed carry. :lol:


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    #19279955 - 12/15/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Awesome thanks for the info! :grin:
I'm reading through it right now.

I'm obviously no gun expert but I take it a P99 would be too big a gun for concealed carry. :lol:





it's not huge but it does have a bit of bulk, you have a small frame even
though you're tall so there's much better options for carry for your
proportions. I have carries a full size 1911 .45 for years when I weighed
125lbs, depending on what I wore it was very obvious that I had it on me,
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    #19279970 - 12/15/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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don't own a gun never will

.45 stopping power

you hit someone blam

i mean you hit someone in the right spot with anything

but a .45 will go through
a 9mm could stop depending on how far you are
they could still be able to react

the .45 will send em into shock guaranteed

9mm are fun probably just for shooting off
not great defense weapons





um... no. even at close range with trained police officers shooting, some
people have survived as many as 37 shots to the torso with a 9mm, some have
survived multiple shots from a .45. contrary to polupar belief, racking a
shotgun will not always send a bad guy running and it rarely ever causes
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    #19279985 - 12/15/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yeah i'll have to look around a bit
but a racked shotgun is better then a hole in the wall

don't know how you know i said that once :lol:


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Konyap]
    #19280009 - 12/15/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the low speed of a .45 is its strong point pris.more energy transfer with a bullet that can be twice as heavy as a 115 grain 9mm


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Konyap]
    #19280011 - 12/15/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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yeah i'll have to look around a bit
but a racked shotgun is better then a hole in the wall




a dead bad guy is too, so again, shot placement is key

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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #19280015 - 12/15/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yeah this yt.vid is showing this dude knock em back with the 45.
the info was said off of what this guy said about owners bias and someone else's police study preference

i know people will hold them in one place and snipe but it's pretty alarming how off the wall the bullets are goin out of the pistol at 30 yards


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Konyap]
    #19280030 - 12/15/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

so penetraion + velocity 9mm

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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Konyap]
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yeah this yt.vid is showing this dude knock em back with the 45.
the info was said off of what this guy said about owners bias and someone else's police study preference

i know people will hold them in one place and snipe but it's pretty alarming how off the wall the bullets are goin out of the pistol at 30 yards





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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Shins]
    #19280036 - 12/15/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Its not about looks my friend :wink:



Agreed. I personally would take a SCAR over an AR-15

I'm really into Kalashnikov systems though.


I'd go for the new M-10 from Romania. I know people think Romania makes the worst AK's but that's because of those piece of shit WASR's that were brought in between 2005-2008.

The M-10 is a beast as it comes; and is better than any factory stock Saiga that you'll find.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Acaterpillar] * 1
    #19280059 - 12/15/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

if you want a gun go buy one but a wii is better

I got a gun range in my room


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Acaterpillar]
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Its not about looks my friend :wink:



Agreed. I personally would take a SCAR over an AR-15

I'm really into Kalashnikov systems though.


I'd go for the new M-10 from Romania. I know people think Romania makes the worst AK's but that's because of those piece of shit WASR's that were brought in between 2005-2008.

The M-10 is a beast as it comes; and is better than any factory stock Saiga that you'll find.



that's not true.if a gun looks clunky it generally is clunky.they need to redesign that ugly,moonboot-looking stock on the scar.plus ive read comparisons in numerous gun mags that SCAR isn't as versatile/combat tested as the m1/AR..also i hear the trigger isn't nearly as crisp as you can achieve on an AR platform


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: joe666]
    #19280237 - 12/15/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You want stopping power a rifle is not the way to go. Have a gander at this http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MediaPages/ArticleDetail.aspx?mediaid=367


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #19280295 - 12/15/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why is no one suggesting bullpups?

the FN2000 is awesome and the IWI Tavor is a great gun too.... maybe they are a bit more expensive thsyd why.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Shins]
    #19280322 - 12/15/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

As a left-handed shooter I can't enjoy bull pups.

Shooting right handed is awkward as hell for me, and if I'm stubborn then I end up with hot shells flying in my face :lol:


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19280336 - 12/15/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The newer bullpups have remidied that problem, some eject out thevfront, bottom, or have ports that convert to the other side.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19280350 - 12/15/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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As a left-handed shooter I can't enjoy bull pups.





steyer aug. it has an option for lefties and is a versitile platform


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    #19280351 - 12/15/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19280405 - 12/15/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sweet! I didn't know there were bullpups that accommodated to left handed shooters.
I look forward to the day I get to shoot one.


I always thought that most bullpups were plagued with problems though?


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    #19280419 - 12/15/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Shins]
    #19280805 - 12/15/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Tomorrow after work I'll go check out a few shops .
Thanks again to everyone how has helped me out.
I think I have got a pretty decent basic knowledge level as well as an idea of what I'm looking for.
I'm thinking I want to look for a 9mm p99 for practice and a Ruger LC380 for concealed carry.
But I'm obviously not dead set on any thing yet and will be open to the employees suggestions.
I'll let you guys know what I decide on.
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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: SARAtonin]
    #19280816 - 12/15/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Tomorrow after work I'll go check out a few shops .
Thanks again to everyone how has helped me out.
I think I have got a pretty decent basic knowledge level as well as an idea of what I'm looking for.
I'm thinking I want to look for a 9mm p99 for practice and a Ruger LC380 for concealed carry.
But I'm obviously not dead set on any thing yet and will be open to the employees suggestions.
I'll let you guys know what I decide on.
Thanks again. :grin:



Its the Ruger LCP. I have one and the gun is so tiny you can carry it in your front pocket and not even notice its there


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: FruitOfLife]
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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: SARAtonin]
    #19282890 - 12/16/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Kel Tec makes a sweet 30 rd .22 pistol.

btw OP, what state do you live in? Some states have asinine and arbitrary laws on capacity and models.


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    #19283009 - 12/16/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: NWlight]
    #19283253 - 12/16/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Op check some auction sites you can find some awesome deals.


Im checking out this FN Scar 17S  for under 700! You will need a dealer to ship too and they will charge some type of fee usually but IMO its the best way to buy the type of rifles you are looking for if your local shops blow.


Also check into getting a surplus WW2 rifle you can pick those up for under 200.
Get a Mosin–Nagant the model 1938 or 1944.  They are fun to shoot  fairly accurate and loud as fuck all.  Ammo for those bad boys less then .22LR.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: idiotek]
    #19283337 - 12/16/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Pistol for home invasions: If money is no object... .45 acp 1911. Lots of stopping power... Would you be able to handle the recoil?




^ +1


Also, a shotgun is a good idea for home defense as well, considering you don't want to penetrate walls too much usually in that situation.



Did this thread really make it 5 pages without gun policy debate. Also I would like a coil gun as a home invasion weapon, not as powerful as a gun but they'd still work.


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: trekie] * 1
    #19285017 - 12/16/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

7.62x54 is hella more expensive than .22,  scarcer too. Unless you k ow someone/something I don't...


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: myc_check1212]
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Kel Tec makes a sweet 30 rd .22 pistol.

btw OP, what state do you live in? Some states have asinine and arbitrary laws on capacity and models.





.22 magnum which is just nearly on par with 9mm.

its light as fuck too.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pmr-30/pistol/

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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: vinsue]
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:awethumb: . . . :peace:




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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: SARAtonin]
    #19285357 - 12/16/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Looks like a toy.

Just missing the HelloKitty decal.




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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #19285565 - 12/16/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

that gun is hella gay.anybody with a fruity-tooty gun like that is not serious about self defense


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #19287494 - 12/17/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If were going on the debate of ar equivalents, can we discuss new operating systems? For example direct impegnation (DI) or tappet system? I hate DI myself in particular the cleaning of caked carbon. While I am a fan of tappet, and its tried and true service on AK and Garand, I'm Leary as to how it will work on an AR platform. New parts new problems


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #19287516 - 12/17/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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that gun is hella gay.anybody with a fruity-tooty gun like that is not serious about self defense





wrong, it's much easier to shoot people that are rolling on the ground, laughing their asses off


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Re: need help with gun buying [Re: NotTheDevil] * 1
    #19287524 - 12/17/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Did this thread really make it 5 pages without gun policy debate. Also I would like a coil gun as a home invasion weapon, not as powerful as a gun but they'd still work.





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