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zappaisgod said: No. Why would we care, anyway? Pipeline from where to where? The place was a shithole with no redeeming social value.
This may have changed a bit recently. Rare earths have apparently been discovered in abundance. We'll see.
http://search.genieo.com/results.html?v=genSomM_16&q=why+are+we+in+afghanistan+oil
This came up when I asked google why we were there.
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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
#19275805 - 12/14/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Not at all. There is a huge difference between paying taxes as required by law in lieu of going to jail and volunteering to participate in an unjust war. That difference is everything. I dont expect you to understand.
I understand perfectly, it's the way you rationalize not having the backbone to live up to your personal morals while judging others for not living up to your personal morals. There's a word for that. It's called hypocrisy
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My personal morals wouldn't allow me to volunteer to participate. They do allow me to pay taxes. I wouldn't judge someone drafted into the military or who was already in when the war started, either...Just those who enlisted or re upped during the war
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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
#19275838 - 12/14/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also I'm curious. Ever voted for a politician who supported either war in any way?
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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
#19275870 - 12/14/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: My personal morals wouldn't allow me to volunteer to participate. They do allow me to pay taxes. I wouldn't judge someone drafted into the military or who was already in when the war started, either...Just those who enlisted or re upped during the war
Wether you see it or not financial and political support of the wars is actually more important then the men and woman who actually serve.
We went to war as a society. A government elected by our people chose war. You as an individual citizen decided that your lifestyle was more important than not financially supporting the war. Holding one group of our Society more responsible, or giving another segment of society a free pass is fucking retarded. Oh yeah, and hypocritical on your behalf
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That's the great thing about our society...You're free to feel however you want, even if it utter stupidity.
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#19275890 - 12/14/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: My personal morals wouldn't allow me to volunteer to participate.
Oh yeah, and you do willfully participate everyday of your life. It's just that your hypocrisy blinds you to your participation
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You're convinced you're right. I'm convinced I am. Neither of us are going to change our minds. This conversation can serve no further purpose.
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Enlil said: You're convinced you're right. I'm convinced I am. Neither of us are going to change our minds. This conversation can serve no further purpose.
Did you avoid this question below for any particular reason?
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Simplicitry said: Also I'm curious. Ever voted for a politician who supported either war in any way?
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I've voted for people who pay taxes, sure...according to you, that's supporting the war. I've also patronized businesses that pay taxes.
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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: I've voted for people who pay taxes, sure...according to you, that's supporting the war. I've also patronized businesses that pay taxes.
That wasn't the question. Why are you avoiding it? I asked if you ever voted for a politician with a record that supported either war. It's a simple question
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That's not what you asked. You asked if I voted for a politician that supported either war in any way. Entirely different question after your nonsense rant equating paying taxes with supporting the war.
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Enlil said: I'm okay with that.
So you agree that you were hypocritical for looking down on military personnel for their participation in wars when you yourself admit to willfully supporting the government that began the wars in the first place? Right?
By that logic we would have executed billions of people from all over the planet for war crimes they indirectly facilitated. When you volunteer to wage war for profit you're a mercenary, not a hero.
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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
#19276266 - 12/14/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: That's not what you asked. You asked if I voted for a politician that supported either war in any way. Entirely different question after your nonsense rant equating paying taxes with supporting the war.
Have you ever voted a politician who voted for legislation that supported either war? Either for authorization or funding?
It only sounds like a nonsense rant to hypocrites
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Nope.
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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Juicin]
#19276277 - 12/14/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I'm okay with that.
So you agree that you were hypocritical for looking down on military personnel for their participation in wars when you yourself admit to willfully supporting the government that began the wars in the first place? Right?
By that logic we would have executed billions of people from all over the planet for war crimes they indirectly facilitated. When you volunteer to wage war for profit you're a mercenary, not a hero.
Good point
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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
#19276301 - 12/14/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: That's not what you asked. You asked if I voted for a politician that supported either war in any way. Entirely different question after your nonsense rant equating paying taxes with supporting the war.
And explain to me again how willfully financially supporting the war isn't supporting the war again. Just because you support it out of cowardice of losing your lifestyle and possibly getting incarcerated instead of supporting it because you believe in the objectives of the war doesn't mean you don't support it. You do supported it you just have a different motivation
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I pay my taxes under threat of violence just like everyone else. We're going in circles, and the dance is getting boring.
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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
#19276330 - 12/14/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Nope.
Well good for you, at least your not a hypocrite in that regard like most Democrats are
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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
#19276350 - 12/14/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I pay my taxes under threat of violence just like everyone else. We're going in circles, and the dance is getting boring.
That's your cop out. You pretend that you don't have a choice, but you really do. You know it, and I know it. What it really comes down to is you weighed that choice and decided your cozy american lifestyle is more important to you than your supposed morals about unjust Wars. trying to say otherwise is just you trying to fool yourself
And you're free to bow out of this dance anytime
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