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OfflineLittleDaddy
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Salvia sucks
    #19275128 - 12/14/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Holy shit, salvia was crazy. I completely lost my mind. I have no clue on how to begin explaining what happened except I don't like it. The time after was filled with me waiting to be "unstoned", but this feeling of it never happening, like I was trapped - probably won't do it again and wouldn't recommend it. lol


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: LittleDaddy] * 8
    #19275151 - 12/14/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well salvia doesn't think very highly of you either.  :snub:


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19275161 - 12/14/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I liked it and used to do it a lot, but I never considered it fun. I don't know if I would ever do it again though, Maybe if I could find a small amount of plain leaf.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19275177 - 12/14/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Bizarre, horrific, peeling the oniony layers that my mind and soul are. But not sucking.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19275226 - 12/14/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Have any of you noticed any change after smoking salvia?

normally psychedelics do change you a little when you go to egodeath, but salvia rips the ego apart everytime it seems

wonder if there could be any long lasting changes from that

less definition of who I am perhaps?:-) , completely dissolving afterwards?

or can you define yourself as fine as before, after smoking it?:-)


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19275244 - 12/14/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I used to use salvia a bit when it first started appearing. I had some pretty intense experiences and while I would not call it fun or recreational, I did thoroughly enjoy. However after having DMT I do not see the point of salvia anymore . . . Unless I could not get DMT/Ayahuasca anymore


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19275335 - 12/14/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You weren`t prepared for salvia...
Salvia isn`t something you want to be doing if you`re seeking a pleasant experience, but rather seeking truth and knowledge


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19275341 - 12/14/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Salvia is a WTF kind of drug.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Patlal]
    #19275361 - 12/14/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Salvia is right up there with highdose dxm trips for me. Can be good once in a blue moon if you want a weird night


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #19275373 - 12/14/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There's no profound truth in Salvia that cannot be reached with other substances.


Salvia is a raw data stream, you get what you get and in reality you have little control over what happens to be in the stream the second that smoke hits your lungs


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Patlal]
    #19275384 - 12/14/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

After I smoke salvia, I feel like I'm wearing a sandpaper suit or something. Use to smoke it quite a bit but I no longer know why. Never again unless its chewing the leaf. I'd give that a try.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Big_Dave]
    #19275458 - 12/14/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Never again unless its chewing the leaf. I'd give that a try.




Don't put yourself through that, :lol: . I know that awful skin feeling. The only time i liked salvia was about 7am after i'd been up all night drinking.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19275497 - 12/14/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How much did you smoke? Not many people realize a full dose is ~0.4g of plain leaf (almost impossible to breakthrough), and ~10 milligrams of 40x. Do the math for extracts of different strength.

You don't need a torch lighter, and you don't need a bong. Letting the flame of a BIC touch the material works fine. When the dose is too high, it gets weird/uncomfortable, and the majority of the experience is forgotten.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19275500 - 12/14/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've heard that if you are paranoid that it will affect you negatively...it did that to me to...

seemed as though the world starting spinning the opposite way, and the color drained from the world

my buddy took a hit too and said that i fell backwards into the wall and that it rippled when i hit it...i had no bump on my head, and the wall had no damage to it...

we had the TV on...heard that is a nono as well...

i gave away the rest of it...maybe it was too strong... :ruggedwink:


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #19275637 - 12/14/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You weren`t prepared for salvia...
Salvia isn`t something you want to be doing if you`re seeking a pleasant experience, but rather seeking truth and knowledge



Yup... you may die, but maybe return and discover you are still the same (if you are used to dieing)

not sure if salvia has done anything for me, but there is never any concept of self after taking a hit
sometimes everything is clear after it, but could be from meditating too

can give good overview of thoughts
but can also do the opposite I think... think it depends on how you go into it

I prefer to lay down in silent darkness, take a hit(almost nothing is needed)
then just lay back and relax, close eyes
new universe

havent had any bad happen this way yet, not even any salvia gravity/pain, but it is a rare thing
my head feels a bit weird for a while after smoking salvia so I dont smoke it very often
nature/meditation is good medicine for the soul too


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19275648 - 12/14/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i like salvia :shrug:


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: spixce]
    #19275664 - 12/14/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i jiz my pants when I dream

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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: spixce]
    #19275671 - 12/14/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I stopped trying to put words to Salvia right after I stopped trying Salvia. It's too weird.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19275718 - 12/14/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Bizarre, horrific, peeling the oniony layers that my mind and soul are. But not sucking.




That's a wonderful explanation.

I remember doing salvia years ago and having the weirdest experiences. One time I took a hit on someone's porch, and when it hit me I felt like I was in an entirely new universe, with different rules of physics. Everything felt like a balancing act, and I felt like an iceberg flipping around in the water. I got a sudden rush like something amazing was about to happen.

In reality I actually stood up, hunched over the railing of the porch and started to teeter back and forth, then I started to flip over when a friend grabbed my stupid ass. :lol:


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19275799 - 12/14/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Tried it once for the sake of a cheap and accessible psyche... well if you can call it a psyche. No effects for me, musta been some bunk extract.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Synthe]
    #19275803 - 12/14/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

how'd you smoke it


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: spixce]
    #19275836 - 12/14/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Put together a bong out of a plastic bottle at the time cause it burns so hot... held it for at least 10+ seconds, was "20x extract".


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Synthe]
    #19275837 - 12/14/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you got bunk shit then


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: spixce]
    #19275842 - 12/14/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

my first time, I got bunk salvia

did nothing...

smoked a whole gram of it, nothing (ordered online)

then I got a replacement, then 5x was plenty


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: lessismore]
    #19275849 - 12/14/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yeah even the leaf is plenty if you smoke it right but my favorite is the 20x


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Synthe] * 1
    #19275875 - 12/14/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Tried it once for the sake of a cheap and accessible psyche... well if you can call it a psyche. No effects for me, musta been some bunk extract.




You probably didn't know how to smoke/inhale :shrug: Didn't you just run into the same problem recently when you started smoking weed?


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: pcplease]
    #19275883 - 12/14/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah it was a while ago so I suppose that's possible...

Then again I think I would've at least felt residual effects - which I didn't.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Synthe]
    #19275892 - 12/14/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No.. :lol: you wouldn't have felt anything if you weren't inhaling. Do you know what residual effects are? Or what it means?

Salvia doesn't burn that hot either. You can use a small spoon or even a pinch hitter.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: pcplease]
    #19275898 - 12/14/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I remember ripping it pretty hard if I recall


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Synthe] * 3
    #19275931 - 12/14/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You didn't answer my question, do you know what "residual effects" means?

I don't really know how to explain the difference between inhaling and failing at inhaling :shrug: It happens to a lot of kids when they try smoking cigarettes, weed, etc.
But basically, just because smoke comes out of your mouth doesn't mean you're inhaling- You're inhaling when the smoke goes all the way into your lungs.

You'll probably realize what I'm talking about when you're older :tongue2:


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: pcplease]
    #19275950 - 12/14/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:ohyou:


What I meant was, I stayed completely sober, not even experiencing any mild effects, much less an actual trip.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Synthe]
    #19276007 - 12/14/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My salvia experiences were horrifying but id never regret it. i love salvia. its incredibly potent and different used correctly. If DMT were a show horse salvia would be a wild stallion. get on one unprepared and see what happens.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Synthe]
    #19276023 - 12/14/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:lol: Yea I figured that's what you meant.  But just so you know, residual effects just means lingering effects, the peak has long gone but you still feel "off". What you describe are "threshold effects"- that is, the least amount you can possibly do to get any sort of effect.

And you really may have gotten bunk salvia :shrug: You'll never know for sure until you try again and make sure you're definitely inhaling :wink:
I forgot about this little "tip", but if you can exhale all of the smoke through your nose, you're inhaling :thumbup:


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: pcplease]
    #19276041 - 12/14/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Salvia would suck me through doors when I would stand up. It was like there were forces that would push me in the direction of doors until I ultimately fell down.

That was a common side effect on that drug for me and my friends, we would always laugh about the forces.

I also didn't like the sweaty ass palms.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #19276444 - 12/14/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There's a gif somewhere, a bit like this. It reminds me of non breakthrough trip i had.



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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #19276620 - 12/14/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's funny, I get the opposite effects from what are commonly described.


I never feel pulled to any direction, I typically feel paralyzed. I never get fits of laughter, unless mixing with weed. Opposite to that, my jaw usually hangs open and I let out a sort of involuntary creaking noise. Salvia FEELS incredibly dirty, even though it's likely clean from a pharmacological standpoint.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19276728 - 12/14/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There's a gif somewhere, a bit like this. It reminds me of non breakthrough trip i had.

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Totally know what you mean. I usually become part of the train and  leave the room im smoking it in haha


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: inlakech]
    #19276803 - 12/14/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I remember these things marching down either side of me in the side of my vision. I could never break through on 10x unless i had a drink but i saw some weird things.

I gave a friend some once, he fell over onto his side and started cackling.

My favorite trip vid.



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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19276823 - 12/14/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Salvia was not an enjoyable experience for me either. I wont do it again.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Magicman69] * 1
    #19276834 - 12/14/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It is an enlightening experience if you are open to it. I recommend a solo trip in the dark. One large toke and hold it in very long. Gotta lay back and give in. Takes you to the astral plane


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: inlakech]
    #19276918 - 12/14/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It is an enlightening experience if you are open to it. I recommend a solo trip in the dark. One large toke and hold it in very long. Gotta lay back and give in. Takes you to the astral plane





Exactly this!


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #19277121 - 12/14/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Salvia would suck me through doors when I would stand up. It was like there were forces that would push me in the direction of doors until I ultimately fell down.

That was a common side effect on that drug for me and my friends, we would always laugh about the forces.

I also didn't like the sweaty ass palms.




Yeah, I was carried through the doors, down the steps, and smashed against the car in the garage. Just face and palms to metal. Haha. I love salvia though, it is so interesting and can be extremely euphoric. The fact that it is too weird is what makes it interesting.


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Re: Salvia sucks [Re: Epigallo]
    #19279391 - 12/15/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My Salvia trip re-introduced my into psychs it was a very deep and memorable experience.

Disphoric yes, but I chewed quids (re-hydrated wrapped plain leaves for 20 mins) so it was more gentle than a complete disassociative experience.

Easily as powerful messages and spiritual potential as shrooms and acid.

Best visuals I have ever had on any trip. Meaningful visuals as well not just 3d objects becoming 2d and vice versa like on acid.

It is not recreational, it is not euphoric, it can be a little scary, it should be treated with a high level of respect and care.

I personally don't believe you should be smoking it for a meaningful experience.

I did have some residual unpleasant after affects in my mind, Just a feeling of something not quite right (like a claustrophobia or narrowing of vision or some weirdness) and not quite my normal comfortable self in the head. I have not had the balls to do it again partly because of the after effects which lasted 3-4 days though they were mild and completely went away.

I had this sensation of time rolling off of and swirling into the distance from my back... through the door in the room back to the house I was born in.... deep. Somewhat like this :



And yes I also had the wavy ripple like vision around whatever I looked at. And the melting ceiling rolling down the corners where it met the tops of the walls.

And a number 3 rotated left 90 degrees on it's side like a massive set of dear antlers cutting though my forehead and everywhere I walked.... strobing along the edge of the antlers outline (very thin).... it was like everything either side of the 3 or antlers line (i.e. relatively normal reality/my room) was emanating from the thin 3. Pretty deep and fascinating visuals.

As Salvia goes I would say it treated me well. I prepped well and prayed that it would not hurt me and I was just enquiring and held it with respect. You kind of get what you ask for I guess

Ignorance does not go in your favour.

Oh and I found this in my door... aptly named

"salvia man in my door"

A very interesting wood knot.. with filler as a headband from the previous owner, very interesting.... complete with distinct.. nose mouth, eye, headband, ear ring, hair and necklace. Just a bit too much detail to be a coincidence in my mind. If you think I doctored it I would understand you.. but this is exactly as I found it even today.



I had only just moved into the property and saw this after the trip.... felt like I had moved into the right pace after seeing that.

Uncanny resemblance to a native Indian with a pointed connection to the sky. Maybe only a stoner would make the connection but it is uncanny to me and not coincidence.


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