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55 gallon pasteurizer first run
    #19275054 - 12/14/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Finally have my first trial run of my plastic pasteurizer. Holding steady at 150ish. Got the pulley installed also.



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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: AnarchoV]
    #19275254 - 12/14/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Care to share more info about the design? I have just scored myself a 44 gallon drum through work and was thinking of making a pasteurizer out of it.


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: llama_police]
    #19275330 - 12/14/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What are you putting your chopped straw in that it needs a pulley?


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: t3chnobily]
    #19275444 - 12/14/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Big laundry bag. I can definitely lift it out no problem, but for about $5 I added the pulley. I listed the build in a previous thread.


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: AnarchoV]
    #19275487 - 12/14/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

careful with the bag when its hot and heavy.  Wire baskets wont fail and douse you with 150F water


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: t3chnobily]
    #19276529 - 12/14/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I was very careful lifting it out. I was standing far away at the end of the rope. I positioned the pulley so when it is hoisted to the top it swings outside the barrel. I stuck a tote next to the barrel to catch the dripping water. I planned on using a metal garbage can with holes drilled in it . The bag is temporary.


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: AnarchoV]
    #19276542 - 12/14/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Use lime man!  No energy input!


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: drake89]
    #19278620 - 12/15/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Lime uses energy too! it is stored chemical energy and you must practice good recycling of the water to be ecologically sound, which in some cases is more difficult than others.


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: deadmandave]
    #19282795 - 12/16/13 08:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have read the studies between lime and hot water baths on the forums. I have also read what Stamets said on the two methods. I am aware of the downsides and benefits of each. I made a choice to go with hot water. Not looking to start another debate on the merits of both.


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: AnarchoV]
    #19284051 - 12/16/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Is that a hotel or commercial building?  That's some serious water heater capacity there.
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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19284141 - 12/16/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It is an old Bed and Breakfast. Home was built in 1886 and renovated in 1993. We bought it about 5 years ago. It has a giant basement. Perfect for all my mushroom and hydroponic needs. :thumbup:


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: AnarchoV]
    #19287275 - 12/17/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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hydroponic needs. :thumbup:




:thumbup::thumbup: Im just about to set up a larger grow with lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, etc.  I feel hydro produce and sawdust block mushroom production go hand in hand when under one roof.  (Or at least when their air handling systems are integrated.)


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: Aleon]
    #19287416 - 12/17/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hooking the intake for the green plants too the exhaust form the colonization area is a slick use for that CO2 and warmth.  I'm sure you know to be careful with spore laden fruiting air.  Don't want to turn your hyrdo set up into a recirculating LC fountain. :shocked:


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: t3chnobily]
    #19287495 - 12/17/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Here is my NFT setup. I have some DWC buckets also.


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: AnarchoV]
    #19287517 - 12/17/13 08:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The hydro keeps my family fed with produce in the winter. In the summer, I manage a couple acres in heirloom veggies. Everything is raised using organic methods (not USDA certified...don't get me started). I mulch all my veggies with straw/hay. I plan on throwing all the spent substrate into my garden and compost windrow.



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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: AnarchoV]
    #19287642 - 12/17/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

looks good! what kind of lights do you use, and doesn't the electricity cost you a lot every month for growing the greens?


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: forrest]
    #19287720 - 12/17/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sunleaves T5s VI & IV. They are low wattage fluorescents. 216W & 324W. I also run a small fountain pump. I estimated the cost over 30 days at about $1 per plant using organic based nutrients in the system. This was several years ago. It would not be viable for commercial production unless it was outside in a greenhouse. The only reason I grow indoors in the winter is because we live about 30 minutes from the closest grocery store. I live in a town of 1100 people. The USDA considers our county a food desert. There is almost no access to fresh produce without driving to the nearest city 30 minutes away. I can get iceberg lettuce and bagged lettuce at our small grocer, but it is usually quite a bit more expensive than competing stores in the city.


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: AnarchoV]
    #19291950 - 12/18/13 05:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Sunleaves T5s VI & IV. They are low wattage fluorescents. 216W & 324W. I also run a small fountain pump. I estimated the cost over 30 days at about $1 per plant using organic based nutrients in the system. This was several years ago. It would not be viable for commercial production unless it was outside in a greenhouse. The only reason I grow indoors in the winter is because we live about 30 minutes from the closest grocery store. I live in a town of 1100 people. The USDA considers our county a food desert. There is almost no access to fresh produce without driving to the nearest city 30 minutes away. I can get iceberg lettuce and bagged lettuce at our small grocer, but it is usually quite a bit more expensive than competing stores in the city.




We have a very simialir situation to you, which is why we also spend the $ to grow indoors.  Honestly even if it was a break even venture, the quality is so much higher that's its worth it.  What kind of organic nutrients are you using in nft? My guess is you could be getting much better results with hydro nutes.


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: Aleon]
    #19292033 - 12/18/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree, Aleon. The cost may be about the same as iceberg lettuce, but the flavor and quality are much better. I am using an organic based hydro nute from botanicare-Pure Blend Pro Grow. Not 100% organic or OMRI listed, but I have had good results with it.


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: AnarchoV]
    #19293471 - 12/18/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Not to mention iceberg lettuce is about as nutritious as sawdust.

Just don't pump CO2 into your grow area during the dark period.  The plants don't like it and for some reason, it causes the soil or solution to spike upward in pH.
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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19293802 - 12/18/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Really nice set up... I hope to be able to own my own home someday, and do the same thing.


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19296710 - 12/19/13 06:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Not to mention iceberg lettuce is about as nutritious as sawdust.

Just don't pump CO2 into your grow area during the dark period.  The plants don't like it and for some reason, it causes the soil or solution to spike upward in pH.
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Thanks for the tip; I never add co2 at night, but it is good to know what would go wrong. And yeah, growing iceberg lettuce is a little funny, although there is cholorphyl in all green plants. Try growing colorful varieties, heirlooms, or greens like: chard, beet greens, kale, choi,  mizuna, endive, tasoi, etc, for more nutrient dense greens.  My favorite is a huge mix of different lettuces with varying colors and texture.  Get different shade of green, red, purple, spotted, lose leaf, head, frilly leaf, etc. All at once.  This is the best salad; harvested without going outside in the inclement weather, and about 5 minutes before it is eaten.

You should switch to hydro nutes; youll feel silly for using pbp once you do.  I have used the majority of nutrient lines on the market( my buddies own one of the largest hydro stores in the USA) and none of the "organic" liquid nutrient work well in hydro systems. One cubic inch of soil has more microbes than a most hydro systems and organic fertilization is completely based off of microbe action (fine tuned organic hydro does work, but only in soilless mix based systems using dry nutrients premixed into the grow media and supplemented by compost teas.)  I finally ended up buying my own dry fertilizer salts, either premixed or making my own blend of salts.  I can make a gallon of solution for a fraction of the price of any liquid nutrients.  Also when using organic nutes you loose the main benefit of hydroponics; control.  Who knows how clean the organic matter is or where it was sourced.  When using fertilizer salts, they have very high purity levels and are extremely controllable.  My favorite hydro nute premix is jacks hydro and calNit.


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: Aleon]
    #19296907 - 12/19/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"fine tuned organic hydro does work, but only in soilless mix based systems using dry nutrients premixed into the grow media and supplemented by compost teas."

That's the shit right there.  Custom blended soiless with drain to waste drip system running compost teas into net pots.


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: t3chnobily]
    #19297187 - 12/19/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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"fine tuned organic hydro does work, but only in soilless mix based systems using dry nutrients premixed into the grow media and supplemented by compost teas."

That's the shit right there.  Custom blended soiless with drain to waste drip system running compost teas into net pots.




I really like this style too, its my favorite for outdoors; but you do lose most of the ability to control growth the way liquid based systems can.


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: Aleon]
    #19297257 - 12/19/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you loose the ability to screw it up also :P


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: t3chnobily]
    #19297297 - 12/19/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My thoughts exactly, RR.

Interesting. I didn't know that about CO2 during dark periods or the change in PH.


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Re: 55 gallon pasteurizer first run [Re: AnarchoV]
    #19297335 - 12/19/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I will look into those nutes, Aleon. Thanks for the advice. I just started into hydroponic growing about 2 years ago. I got tired of not having access to decent veggies in the winter outside of my canned goods.


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