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Offlineall this beauty
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Re: Creationism [Re: Deviate]
    #19286558 - 12/16/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Now different people may understand it in differing ways and I see that as ok, but I dont really see how the answer you gave justifies calling it 100% nonsense.



Again, understood LITERALLY, it's nonsense.

If I tell you that there's a LITERAL Santa Claus, you would say that's "nonsense"... yes?

If you tell me that there's some kind of LITERAL "scorekeeping" in and by the universe that will cause me to suffer for my bad actions and benefit by my good actions, I would say that's "nonsense."

Do you understand the distinction between a metaphor and a LITERAL thing?


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Re: Creationism [Re: all this beauty]
    #19287355 - 12/17/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No, I mean karma is as I said cause and effect. I don't know what you mean by "literal scorekeeping", did my definition of karma mention literal scorekeeping? You will suffer for your bad actions and benefit from your good actions.


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Re: Creationism [Re: Deviate]
    #19287505 - 12/17/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a great wonderful sensitive loving kind gentle person and all I do is suffer.  The bad guys don't suffer nearly as much often.  What am I doing wrong. :hissyfit:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Creationism [Re: Icelander]
    #19287641 - 12/17/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm a great wonderful sensitive loving kind gentle person and all I do is suffer.  The bad guys don't suffer nearly as much often.  What am I doing wrong. :hissyfit:



Your karma is blocked up.

You need "Drano for Blocked Karma."




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Re: Creationism [Re: all this beauty]
    #19287723 - 12/17/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

And here I been wasting my time with prunes. :mad2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Creationism [Re: Icelander]
    #19289304 - 12/17/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
I'm a great wonderful sensitive loving kind gentle person and all I do is suffer.  The bad guys don't suffer nearly as much often.  What am I doing wrong. :hissyfit:




You are clinging, but suffering is good, it destroys your vasanas especially if you can learn to suffer consciously. The Lord exalts the poor and down trodden, but the arrogant he shall bring to nothing.


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Re: Creationism [Re: Deviate]
    #19289551 - 12/17/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm a great wonderful sensitive loving kind gentle person and all I do is suffer.  The bad guys don't suffer nearly as much often.  What am I doing wrong. :hissyfit:




You are clinging, but suffering is good, it destroys your vasanas especially if you can learn to suffer consciously. The Lord exalts the poor and down trodden, but the arrogant he shall bring to nothing.



I'm only guessing, but I suspect the "arrogant he shall bring to nothing" thingy is not good news for Icelander.  :frown:

Regarding suffering destroying one's vasanas, that's certainly better than suffering destroying one's vagina, I should think.  :stoned:


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Re: Creationism [Re: Deviate]
    #19289596 - 12/17/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
I'm a great wonderful sensitive loving kind gentle person and all I do is suffer.  The bad guys don't suffer nearly as much often.  What am I doing wrong. :hissyfit:




You are clinging, but suffering is good, it destroys your vasanas especially if you can learn to suffer consciously. The Lord exalts the poor and down trodden, but the arrogant he shall bring to nothing.




If I believed you weren't talking out of your ass I might find that comforting. :lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Creationism [Re: all this beauty]
    #19289602 - 12/17/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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all this beauty said:
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Deviate said:
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Icelander said:
I'm a great wonderful sensitive loving kind gentle person and all I do is suffer.  The bad guys don't suffer nearly as much often.  What am I doing wrong. :hissyfit:




You are clinging, but suffering is good, it destroys your vasanas especially if you can learn to suffer consciously. The Lord exalts the poor and down trodden, but the arrogant he shall bring to nothing.



I'm only guessing, but I suspect the "arrogant he shall bring to nothing" thingy is not good news for Icelander.  :frown:

Regarding suffering destroying one's vasanas, that's certainly better than suffering destroying one's vagina, I should think.  :stoned:




Hey! :crankynoweed:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Creationism [Re: Icelander]
    #19290528 - 12/17/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
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Deviate said:
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Icelander said:
I'm a great wonderful sensitive loving kind gentle person and all I do is suffer.  The bad guys don't suffer nearly as much often.  What am I doing wrong. :hissyfit:




You are clinging, but suffering is good, it destroys your vasanas especially if you can learn to suffer consciously. The Lord exalts the poor and down trodden, but the arrogant he shall bring to nothing.




If I believed you weren't talking out of your ass I might find that comforting. :lol:





It's the truth though. Think about it, in that PM you agreed with me that the "I" thought is not real and it's certainly not permanent. Now think about the proud and arrogant. They are in love with their "I" thought. They believe that they are very important. When death comes, they are going to find that this "I" they spent their lifetime serving, was really nothing. Imagine the horror!

The Bible talks quite a lot about this. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. In Isaiah God says "I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; I will put an end to the pomp of the arrogant, and lay low the pompous pride of the ruthless."


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Re: Creationism [Re: Deviate]
    #19291958 - 12/18/13 05:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm talking about all that Lord bringing people down nonsense.  Many people attached to their "I" in benign ways are still full of themselves but have pretty fucking good lives and die relatively content.  I've seen it.  In fact imo the religious suffer most of all, are most concerned with themselves and in general a most unhappy lot. And from your many posts here I don't see you as an exception. You have admitted it.  You're confused and often what I would call unhappy.  My unreligious great uncle, never thought about it, lived a farmers life, went fishing with us kids, drank a little, laughed a lot, and died napping under his apple tree.  He was glorious man. He puts guys like us to shame.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (12/18/13 06:19 AM)


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Re: Creationism [Re: Icelander]
    #19292265 - 12/18/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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My unreligious great uncle, never thought about it, lived a farmers life, went fishing with us kids, drank a little, laughed a lot, and died napping under his apple tree.  He was glorious man. He puts guys like us to shame.



Amen to that.

I know "non-religious, non-spiritual" people too, and many of them live exemplary lives of kindness and giving.  The greatest hubris of all is believing that the "spiritually elite" are in a better place than the rest of humankind. 

Deviate should know that, by the way, since his Lord and Savior often spoke of the jewel that is humility and humbleness.


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Re: Creationism [Re: all this beauty]
    #19292544 - 12/18/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

He was a humble regular guy and the only one in my family truly taking the time to be nice and really pay a little attention to what I was going through.

On the other hand my very religious father was hell on wheels nasty.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Creationism [Re: all this beauty]
    #19293001 - 12/18/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"But you and I know that Santa is not an objectively real thing...  yes?"
Santa can be in all of us :jointsmile:


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