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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19265469 - 12/12/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19265607 - 12/12/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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NO THEY DONT cubes do not loose half there tolerance when properly dried




Its a common misconception, almost an old wives tale.  If people were worried about degraded potency in cubensis, nobody would be boiling up pots of mushroom tea.  Although there is some evidence that shows psilocin is more susceptible to break down when exposed to high temperatures; some psilocybe species have difference ratios of psilocybin to psilocin and psilocybe cyanescens has being documented to lose potency when boiled.


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: Delection]
    #19265725 - 12/12/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

not half their tolerance, half their potency...and it depends on the counts of both.  Most cubes have roughly the same amount of both present at the time of harvest, so that's why i say half.  Some cubes have a much smaller %age of psilocyn present at the time of harvest, so they obviously lose less potency when dried.

The psilocyn degrades with time, not heat....at least not heat from tea.  The psilocybin does not.  It remains, so when you make tea, and injest it, it has no bearing on the potency... your body still has the psilocybin to deal with.  It's why mushrooms are so much more potent, and hit you faster when they're fresh....because the psilocyn is still there, and goes straight to the brain. 

From my experience eating dry and wet mushrooms, and from all i've read, it makes sense to me, and carries some weight.  I'm no mycologist, and I may be completely wrong in everything i've read, and experienced, but I stand by what i said, and what i believe, that psilocyn indeed degrades with time....maybe someone else who knows more can pop in...either way, thanks for the debate


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: 1down5up]
    #19265763 - 12/12/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i fed some friends a few freshies they went home and proceeded to cook mac n cheese with a flashlight, so i conisdered it a good batch

sounds like you had a good time lol

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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: 1down5up]
    #19265901 - 12/12/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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not half their tolerance, half their potency...and it depends on the counts of both.  Most cubes have roughly the same amount of both present at the time of harvest, so that's why i say half.  Some cubes have a much smaller %age of psilocyn present at the time of harvest, so they obviously lose less potency when dried.

The psilocyn degrades with time, not heat....at least not heat from tea.  The psilocybin does not.  It remains, so when you make tea, and injest it, it has no bearing on the potency... your body still has the psilocybin to deal with.  It's why mushrooms are so much more potent, and hit you faster when they're fresh....because the psilocyn is still there, and goes straight to the brain. 

From my experience eating dry and wet mushrooms, and from all i've read, it makes sense to me, and carries some weight.  I'm no mycologist, and I may be completely wrong in everything i've read, and experienced, but I stand by what i said, and what i believe, that psilocyn indeed degrades with time....maybe someone else who knows more can pop in...either way, thanks for the debate





I meant potency they dont loose half there potency when dried

Its a mushroom, mushrooms dont develop a tolerance

Tolerance that doesnt even make sense


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: 1down5up]
    #19265974 - 12/12/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Eating them fresh like that will always get you higher, faster, because cubes lose half their potency when you dry them.  The psilocyn degrades pretty fast after drying, leaving psilocybin, which your body has to process before you get high.  I bet you started going up after about 10 minutes or so?

I mostly eat libery caps, and have never taken any more than 1.67 g's, which was my last trip.  It was fuckin intense.  I think the lower your tolerance, the more fun you have developing a tolerance :grin:




You got a source to back that up, because that contradicts mine and a lot of other peoples experience.


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19265978 - 12/12/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no doubt, depends on SO MANY factors. mental and physical.


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19266002 - 12/12/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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not half their tolerance, half their potency...and it depends on the counts of both.  Most cubes have roughly the same amount of both present at the time of harvest, so that's why i say half.  Some cubes have a much smaller %age of psilocyn present at the time of harvest, so they obviously lose less potency when dried.

The psilocyn degrades with time, not heat....at least not heat from tea.  The psilocybin does not.  It remains, so when you make tea, and injest it, it has no bearing on the potency... your body still has the psilocybin to deal with.  It's why mushrooms are so much more potent, and hit you faster when they're fresh....because the psilocyn is still there, and goes straight to the brain. 

From my experience eating dry and wet mushrooms, and from all i've read, it makes sense to me, and carries some weight.  I'm no mycologist, and I may be completely wrong in everything i've read, and experienced, but I stand by what i said, and what i believe, that psilocyn indeed degrades with time....maybe someone else who knows more can pop in...either way, thanks for the debate





I meant potency they dont loose half there potency when dried

Its a mushroom, mushrooms dont develop a tolerance

Tolerance that doesnt even make sense




None of what you said made sense.. You can't even spell psilocin correctly, I would suggest reading more before you try to educate the masses on organic chemistry.


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: 1down5up]
    #19266478 - 12/12/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So 'psilocybin' has no benefit what so ever until it's converted into the other one and that creates the 'high' for both body and head?

Interesting.....please reply to my 2 day trip thread over in the other section.




Precisely, only psilocin and some other trace alkaloids is what gives you both highs, psilocybin is not one of them. Anyway I'm glad that one mushroom did the job, I always like eating them fresh the trip is a little different.



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Eating them fresh like that will always get you higher, faster, because cubes lose half their potency when you dry them.  The psilocyn degrades pretty fast after drying, leaving psilocybin, which your body has to process before you get high.  I bet you started going up after about 10 minutes or so?

I mostly eat libery caps, and have never taken any more than 1.67 g's, which was my last trip.  It was fuckin intense.  I think the lower your tolerance, the more fun you have developing a tolerance :grin:




Yeah ur mostly right but shrooms don't lose 50% potency after drying. The definitely do lose some good stuff but I don't think it would be over even something like 25%.


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: Delection]
    #19266802 - 12/12/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It really depends on the mushroom, how much potency they lose.  Psilocin is not as stable as psilocybin and breaks down much faster, especially in the presence of oxygen, so depending on the age of the mushrooms, there may be no psilocin present at all when you ingest them, once your body gets a hold of the psilocybin, and metabloizes into psilocin, you're golden.  Different mushrooms have different psilocin %ages, ones with high psilocin will lose more to drying and age than ones with higher psilocybin %ages.





None of what you said made sense.. You can't even spell psilocin correctly, I would suggest reading more before you try to educate the masses on organic chemistry.




everything i said makes sense.  This is not a pissing contest, or a grammar test.... i'm not trying to prove you wrong, i'm just speaking from experience and the things i've read in the past.  You shouldn't let your ego get in the way of digesting it, and maybe researching it to find out for yourself.  Look it up if you don't want to take my word for it. 

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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: 1down5up]
    #19266988 - 12/12/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I know a lot of organic chemistry so let me clear somethings up here. 1. if you apply enough heat pretty much any organic compund will break down. 2. Psilocin just like every other molecule will break down with time. 3. Psilocybin is more stable because of the phosphate group that provides a fairly stable zwitterion(If you look at my avatar, that is psilocybin. The orange and pink atoms are the functional group I was talking about)However, just because it is more stable doesn't mean it won't break down with heat or UV for example.


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19267052 - 12/12/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Eating them fresh like that will always get you higher, faster, because cubes lose half their potency when you dry them.  The psilocyn degrades pretty fast after drying, leaving psilocybin, which your body has to process before you get high.  I bet you started going up after about 10 minutes or so?

I mostly eat libery caps, and have never taken any more than 1.67 g's, which was my last trip.  It was fuckin intense.  I think the lower your tolerance, the more fun you have developing a tolerance :grin:



NO THEY DONT cubes do not loose half there tolerance when properly dried



I agree that you do not lose half the potency, but what he said about psilocyn is true.


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: MachineElf1.618]
    #19267072 - 12/12/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Psilocybin and psilocin are noteworthy in that their molecular structures are very similar to chemicals present in the human brain. Psilocin, for example, differs from the human neurotransmitter serotonin (designated 5-hydroxytryptamine) [Figure 5] by only one hydroxy molecule. In this respect, the mushrooms are mirror images of the human brain. Psilocybin is the phosphoric acid ester of psilocin and is the only known indole derivative occurring in nature that contains this novel phosphoric acid radical. The phosphoric acid is considered "dead weight" and does not contribute to the compound's psychedelic effects. Its presence does, however, stabilize the compound. Conversely, psilocin, which lacks this phosphoric radical, is extremely unstable and sensitive to oxidation. It is 1.4 times as active as psilocybin, a ratio corresponding to the molecular weights of the compounds. Psilocin is the "Rolls-Royce" of psychedelics.

came from this site....and there are many more if you look for'em.

http://www.stainblue.com/ah.html

Oxygen is what breaks down psilocin...even though heat will as well, just leaving mushies out to dry will break it down, but it will not break down the psilocybin.....well, in a reasonable amount of time.

I must apologize to OP, i didn't mean to take this thread off track.  I hope you and your friends can enjoy tripping as much as I do.  Good vibes your way :mushroom2:


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: 1down5up]
    #19267101 - 12/12/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yep there it is, good work team. You have three people agreeing and you have a source now too can't say were wrong.


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: MachineElf1.618]
    #19268070 - 12/12/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yep there it is, good work team. You have three people agreeing and you have a source now too can't say were wrong.




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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: Delection]
    #19274552 - 12/14/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm back.

that one freshy was much stronger than 3.5 grams i did a while back....it was incredibly strong, for example:

I had insane visuals, massive disconnect, and the most whacky adventure ever.....

relating it would just make me sound insane....so lets just leave it at:

I would look at the world around me and could totally understand  what people mean by 'different dimensions'.....everything felt like a video game or matrix like......

My girl (who i gave a smaller fresh one too) spent 30 minutes + trying to eat chicken...it was all very entertaining.

This one fresh mushy was much stronger than anything else i've ever had. wayyyyyyyy beyond .7 of a gram dried....




You must have a very low tolerance, that sounds like a very epic trip for a microdose..





Dude,

I live in China, I have a high tolerance to every sort of chemical known to man, and some that aren't.

You can get high by just breathing in insanely polluted air in China (not really, but you get my point).

I don't think I have a low tolerance...as I've had 3.5 grams of dried before and it made me high but nowhere near as high as the approximately 2 gram fresh mushy i ate the other day.....


I will hit it up again in a day or two and see if it's the same results....it seriously was insanely good.

If we were gonna go from level 1 to 5, i would say it was a 4, as i could still walk and function relatively normally, much more and i wouldn't have been able too though.


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: 1down5up]
    #19274572 - 12/14/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Psilocybin and psilocin are noteworthy in that their molecular structures are very similar to chemicals present in the human brain. Psilocin, for example, differs from the human neurotransmitter serotonin (designated 5-hydroxytryptamine) [Figure 5] by only one hydroxy molecule. In this respect, the mushrooms are mirror images of the human brain. Psilocybin is the phosphoric acid ester of psilocin and is the only known indole derivative occurring in nature that contains this novel phosphoric acid radical. The phosphoric acid is considered "dead weight" and does not contribute to the compound's psychedelic effects. Its presence does, however, stabilize the compound. Conversely, psilocin, which lacks this phosphoric radical, is extremely unstable and sensitive to oxidation. It is 1.4 times as active as psilocybin, a ratio corresponding to the molecular weights of the compounds. Psilocin is the "Rolls-Royce" of psychedelics.

came from this site....and there are many more if you look for'em.

http://www.stainblue.com/ah.html

Oxygen is what breaks down psilocin...even though heat will as well, just leaving mushies out to dry will break it down, but it will not break down the psilocybin.....well, in a reasonable amount of time.

I must apologize to OP, i didn't mean to take this thread off track.  I hope you and your friends can enjoy tripping as much as I do.  Good vibes your way :mushroom2:





It's ok, it was interesting.

Now lets all take mushrooms, get high and be friends.

The irony of people getting into heated debates on a 'lets get high and grow shit' forum is well.....very ironic :laugh:.


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #19274596 - 12/14/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I like heated debates, you can't help but think the other guy has a point, especially if they feel so strong about it.... then you gotta go off and do more reading, educating yourself even more.  Win win.

I was so high on my last trip, it felt like every cell in my body was being lazer beamed with waves of euphoria....that was 1.67 g of dried liberties.


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: 1down5up]
    #19274786 - 12/14/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Eating them fresh like that will always get you higher, faster, because cubes lose half their potency when you dry them.  The psilocyn degrades pretty fast after drying, leaving psilocybin, which your body has to process before you get high.  I bet you started going up after about 10 minutes or so?

I mostly eat libery caps, and have never taken any more than 1.67 g's, which was my last trip.  It was fuckin intense.  I think the lower your tolerance, the more fun you have developing a tolerance :grin:




Started feelin the initial stages after 20 mins (yawning, woozyness), starting 'trippin' after about 30 to 40, start going to other planets about an hour and a bit in.


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Re: Shroomspear - to eat or not to eat...... [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #19274842 - 12/14/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm back.

that one freshy was much stronger than 3.5 grams i did a while back....it was incredibly strong, for example:

I had insane visuals, massive disconnect, and the most whacky adventure ever.....

relating it would just make me sound insane....so lets just leave it at:

I would look at the world around me and could totally understand  what people mean by 'different dimensions'.....everything felt like a video game or matrix like......

My girl (who i gave a smaller fresh one too) spent 30 minutes + trying to eat chicken...it was all very entertaining.

This one fresh mushy was much stronger than anything else i've ever had. wayyyyyyyy beyond .7 of a gram dried....




You must have a very low tolerance, that sounds like a very epic trip for a microdose..





Dude,

I live in China, I have a high tolerance to every sort of chemical known to man, and some that aren't.

You can get high by just breathing in insanely polluted air in China (not really, but you get my point).

I don't think I have a low tolerance...as I've had 3.5 grams of dried before and it made me high but nowhere near as high as the approximately 2 gram fresh mushy i ate the other day.....


I will hit it up again in a day or two and see if it's the same results....it seriously was insanely good.

If we were gonna go from level 1 to 5, i would say it was a 4, as i could still walk and function relatively normally, much more and i wouldn't have been able too though.




:callingbullshit: on a level 4 trip off approx 2gs fresh or .2 dry you obviously dont know what your talkng about


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