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Snow in Egypt * 9
    #19274415 - 12/14/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yep first time in over 100 years we are seeing snow in Egypt. Some pretty cool stuff.

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The snow that has blanketed much of the Middle East turned Cairo white on Friday - with local news reports claiming it was Egypt's capital's first snowfall in 112 years.

Snow covers the scene in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula
The city averages less than an inch of rain each year, and hundreds stopped their walk to work or school to snap pictures of the falling flakes, tweeting their delights




http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/13/snow-egypt-middle-east_n_4438571.html?utm_hp_ref=uk



I'm not inviting any theorists, but geoengineering?!? :tinfoil:  :paranoid:


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: SARAtonin] * 2
    #19274425 - 12/14/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's pretty sweet


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: SARAtonin]
    #19274426 - 12/14/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's so.... MYSTICAL :awepreciation:


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: SARAtonin] * 3
    #19274450 - 12/14/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Global warming, LOL.



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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: SARAtonin]
    #19274457 - 12/14/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not inviting any theorists, but geoengineering?!? :tinfoil:  :paranoid:




global warming, it's the only answer


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #19274461 - 12/14/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That egyptian snow is fucking beautiful


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19274472 - 12/14/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

if we give Egypt our snow fall, can we have their 12 months of sun & warmth?


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1] * 5
    #19274476 - 12/14/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Geo engineering. Obama. REPTILIANS


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19274477 - 12/14/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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SARAtonin said:
I'm not inviting any theorists, but geoengineering?!? :tinfoil:  :paranoid:




global warming, it's the only answer



Only climate change deniers use that term to ridicule a by now universally accepted theory.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1] * 5
    #19274487 - 12/14/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It snows in parts of Egypt every year, this is just the first time it has snowed in Cairo in 112 years, and not because winter temps aren't below freezing every year, but because there usually isn't any precipitation when the weather is cold.  Just sayin. Definitely a strange occurrence, but not strange enough to warrant dusting off the crazy and going full tinfoil.  :paranoid:


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: broken]
    #19274488 - 12/14/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Some goverment ploy to keep people from coming out and rioting


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Konyap] * 5
    #19274491 - 12/14/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You don't get it, do you? What sense does any Arab spring make if there hasn't been a proper winter with snow and stuff? There you go. It's the damn insurgents going at it again.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: koraks] * 1
    #19274495 - 12/14/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:fonz:


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: broken]
    #19274502 - 12/14/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It snowed were I am

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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: SARAtonin]
    #19274516 - 12/14/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wow first snow in 112 years? That's really cool. Last week there were a lot of snow games in the NFL and they were talking about rookies from college who have never seen snow and were getting ready to play in it. That's crazy for me, growing up in four seasons my whole life, thinking about not seeing snow until the first time in my 20's. I bet it's even crazier for some Egyptians who don't have regular media access, be in your 40's seeing snow for the first time I'd be freaked out.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: koraks]
    #19274523 - 12/14/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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SARAtonin said:
I'm not inviting any theorists, but geoengineering?!? :tinfoil:  :paranoid:




global warming, it's the only answer



Only climate change deniers use that term to ridicule a by now universally accepted theory.





the only people that accepted that theory are retards and liberals

that was redundant


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19274542 - 12/14/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It snows in parts of Egypt every year, this is just the first time it has snowed in Cairo in 112 years, and not because winter temps aren't below freezing every year, but because there usually isn't any precipitation when the weather is cold.  Just sayin. Definitely a strange occurrence, but not strange enough to warrant dusting off the crazy and going full tinfoil.  :paranoid:



Thanks for an informative post in a thread full of crap.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: SARAtonin] * 1
    #19274544 - 12/14/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If i'm not mistaken, it's the first time in 112 years that we have seen snow in Egypt.

Think about it. That would mean it happened 112 years ago. Geoengineering wasn't even a concept 112 years ago. :flowstone:

Pris is mad cause he won't accept the vast swaths of data we have on a warming climate. :whatyougonnado:


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: 404]
    #19274551 - 12/14/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If i'm not mistaken, it's the first time in 112 years that we have seen snow in Egypt.

Think about it. That would mean it happened 112 years ago. Geoengineering wasn't even a concept 112 years ago. :flowstone:





that's what they want you to believe

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Pris is mad cause he won't accept the vast swaths of data we have on a warming climate. :whatyougonnado:





that data was made with colored sharpie markers


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19274555 - 12/14/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: 404]
    #19274577 - 12/14/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Lol. So did man cause the last ice age? Or the last global warming period? There's generally a warmup period right before the onset of an ice age. I would be much more concerned with that. Seeing as how we're overdue and all.

Wonder why all the global warming peeps started using "climate change"? :wink:
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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19274713 - 12/14/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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There's generally a warmup period right before the onset of an ice age. I would be much more concerned with that. Seeing as how we're overdue and all.




How are we overdue for an ice age? Technically we are still in the last one.

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Glaciologically, ice age implies the presence of extensive ice sheets in the northern and southern hemispheres.[1] By this definition, we are still in the ice age that began 2.6 million years ago at the start of the Pleistocene epoch, because the Greenland, Arctic, and Antarctic ice sheets still exist.




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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: LittleDipster] * 9
    #19274768 - 12/14/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was eating an early dinner in a restaurant in India once, in the state of Bihar, when the workers all ran up to me excitedly (I was their only customer at the moment), talking about how it was snowing outside.

None of them had ever seen snow before, and they were flipping their shits with excitement--I got up to go outside to check it out--being from Canada, they wanted my expert opinion on this event.

Getting outside, it became immediately apparent that it was just a severe hailstorm--not snow at all--and laughed inwardly to see the Indians jumping around in what had to be painfully large chunks of falling frozen ice--I let them believe it was snow though--couldn't bear to crush the joy on their faces.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19274780 - 12/14/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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koraks said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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SARAtonin said:
I'm not inviting any theorists, but geoengineering?!? :tinfoil:  :paranoid:




global warming, it's the only answer



Only climate change deniers use that term to ridicule a by now universally accepted theory.





the only people that accepted that theory are retards and liberals

that was redundant



and scientists

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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: koraks]
    #19274808 - 12/14/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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koraks said:
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SARAtonin said:
I'm not inviting any theorists, but geoengineering?!? :tinfoil:  :paranoid:




global warming, it's the only answer



Only climate change deniers use that term to ridicule a by now universally accepted theory.



Of course the climate changes.  Good thing, too.  Otherwise the whole planet would be covered by ice as it once was.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: morrowasted]
    #19275191 - 12/14/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the only people that accepted that theory are retards and liberals

that was redundant



and scientists

you forgot to mention scientists





only a tiny percent of scientists, most dont agree with it


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19275207 - 12/14/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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morrowasted said:
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the only people that accepted that theory are retards and liberals

that was redundant



and scientists

you forgot to mention scientists





only a tiny percent of scientists, most dont agree with it



do you have anything to back that up? because every single science-related professor I have talked with in the halls of the university I work at disagrees with you.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: morrowasted]
    #19275219 - 12/14/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Anybody wanna go to Egypt with me? I'll supply the L


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: morrowasted]
    #19275274 - 12/14/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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morrowasted said:
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the only people that accepted that theory are retards and liberals

that was redundant



and scientists

you forgot to mention scientists





only a tiny percent of scientists, most dont agree with it



do you have anything to back that up? because every single science-related professor I have talked with in the halls of the university I work at disagrees with you.





they're liberals arent they

the global warming activists biggest piece of 'evidence' is the proof, it's
a survey, not actually evidence, but they polled 10,000 publishing climate
scientists and opted to use the responses from fewer than 100 to claim that
97% of climate scientists agree that global warming is man made


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: SARAtonin]
    #19275292 - 12/14/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

When I was a kid, there was a guy everybody called "Crazy Charlie". All winter long he would wander around the neighborhood telling everybody, "There's no snow in Egypt!"

I wonder what old Charlie is up to today


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #19275535 - 12/14/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the global warming activists biggest piece of 'evidence' is the proof, it's
a survey, not actually evidence, but they polled 10,000 publishing climate
scientists and opted to use the responses from fewer than 100 to claim that
97% of climate scientists agree that global warming is man made


my understanding was that it was believed to be a projected result of increasing carbon emissions, since it is well establishedthat such emissions do in fact create a warming effect in controlled environments

by the way you sound really, really, REALLY stupid/ignorant when you say things like "they're liberals aren't they". just so you know. i am not a liberal but come on dude. sometimes your views seem really intricate and complex, and other times they seem so oversimplified that i honestly just want to slap you


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: morrowasted]
    #19275580 - 12/14/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

IT'S SO FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: morrowasted]
    #19276383 - 12/14/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the global warming activists biggest piece of 'evidence' is the proof, it's
a survey, not actually evidence, but they polled 10,000 publishing climate
scientists and opted to use the responses from fewer than 100 to claim that
97% of climate scientists agree that global warming is man made


my understanding was that it was believed to be a projected result of increasing carbon emissions, since it is well establishedthat such emissions do in fact create a warming effect in controlled environments





the earth isnt a closed system

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by the way you sound really, really, REALLY stupid/ignorant when you say things like "they're liberals aren't they". just so you know.





yeah, because it's pretty much a given that college professors are liberals


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19276400 - 12/14/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Pretty sure it's global warming. What's that snow isn't warm! You're right. but when you put more into a system you will get bigger extremes while the "bugs" are being sorted out.

Right now the planet is freaking out every which way trying to figure out what to do with all this extra energy until our oceans absorb it and begin warming.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19276438 - 12/14/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the global warming activists biggest piece of 'evidence' is the proof, it's
a survey, not actually evidence, but they polled 10,000 publishing climate
scientists and opted to use the responses from fewer than 100 to claim that
97% of climate scientists agree that global warming is man made


my understanding was that it was believed to be a projected result of increasing carbon emissions, since it is well establishedthat such emissions do in fact create a warming effect in controlled environments





the earth isnt a closed system

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by the way you sound really, really, REALLY stupid/ignorant when you say things like "they're liberals aren't they". just so you know.





yeah, because it's pretty much a given that college professors are liberals



uh, that's not what I meant. what I meant is that you are a fucking retard for instantly dismissing someone on the grounds that YOU associate them with a particular label. most of these guys probably dont even give a two shits about politics, they are scientists


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: JonnyBtreed] * 1
    #19276611 - 12/14/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Lol. So did man cause the last ice age? Or the last global warming period? There's generally a warmup period right before the onset of an ice age. I would be much more concerned with that. Seeing as how we're overdue and all.

Wonder why all the global warming peeps started using "climate change"? :wink:
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Yes. Because in the early 2000s republican strategists got the word out to stop calling it global warming, use climate change instead http://www.politicalstrategy.org/archives/001330.php

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1) "Climate change" is less frightening than "global warming". As one focus group participant noted, climate change 'sounds like you're going from Pittsburgh to Fort Lauderdale.' While global warming has catastrophic connotations attached to it, climate change suggests a more controllable and less emotional challenge.




This change was entirely due to GOP marketing strategy. It  turns out the term they thought would make the problem less frightening, is a better descriptor.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: morrowasted]
    #19276631 - 12/14/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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uh, that's not what I meant. what I meant is that you are a fucking retard for instantly dismissing someone on the grounds that YOU associate them with a particular label. most of these guys probably dont even give a two shits about politics, they are scientists





flaming? really...

why not ask them their political views before you tell us how they have none
and then appeal to authority with the claim of 'but they're scientists'


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19276644 - 12/14/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Pretty sure it's global warming. What's that snow isn't warm! You're right. but when you put more into a system you will get bigger extremes while the "bugs" are being sorted out.

Right now the planet is freaking out every which way trying to figure out what to do with all this extra energy until our oceans absorb it and begin warming.





you mind showing us the conclusive proof of this claim as opposed to the
speculation and models/simulations that show nothing but what someone puts
into it, especially since your statements are contradictory to what's being
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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19277064 - 12/14/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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andrewmurray86 said:
Pretty sure it's global warming. What's that snow isn't warm! You're right. but when you put more into a system you will get bigger extremes while the "bugs" are being sorted out.

Right now the planet is freaking out every which way trying to figure out what to do with all this extra energy until our oceans absorb it and begin warming.





you mind showing us the conclusive proof of this claim as opposed to the
speculation and models/simulations that show nothing but what someone puts
into it, especially since your statements are contradictory to what's being
claimed by the IPCC





Don't be that guy who runs around saying AGW isn't real. And since you're the one holding the position with less evidence, please show me (actual scientific data, not from one of those conspiracy sites) that the things i have said are not happening. Please show me the statements from the IPCC that contradict what I have said.

I'm all for intelligent debate but this is not intelligible. Let's say that AGW isn't real and that it's all a massive hoax... Why would you not want to take better care of the planet by adjusting our way or doing just about everything to have less impact on our planet? Change and be safe, and if it is not real and you changed anyway... Well congratulations of the massive leaps forward we have made in technology and co-operation.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: SARAtonin] * 1
    #19277097 - 12/14/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

my brain won't see that as snow for some reason. it just looks like a washed out photograph to me.


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    #19277109 - 12/14/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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they're liberals arent they






Yes Prisoner, all scientists who disagree with your viewpoint are liberals :rolleyes:
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    #19277774 - 12/15/13 04:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes Prisoner, all scientists who disagree with your viewpoint are liberals :rolleyes:




You don't take that guy seriously, do you? I always thought when I was a mod, I'd see, like, a different side to the guy, something more nuanced and mature. Haha. Funny, that.


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    #19277991 - 12/15/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Man I would've loved to go trip and go make snow angels near the pyramids and enjoyed the once in a lifetime experience. Hell it would've been cool to just be there:mindblown:


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    #19278225 - 12/15/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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There's generally a warmup period right before the onset of an ice age. I would be much more concerned with that. Seeing as how we're overdue and all.




How are we overdue for an ice age? Technically we are still in the last one.

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Glaciologically, ice age implies the presence of extensive ice sheets in the northern and southern hemispheres.[1] By this definition, we are still in the ice age that began 2.6 million years ago at the start of the Pleistocene epoch, because the Greenland, Arctic, and Antarctic ice sheets still exist.







Lol, ok so by your argument it is perfectly normal and in line with the natural procession of the earth for the ice sheets to continue melting? If the Earth warms up drastically and cools down drastically normally than how is man causing the earth to warm up?

Also again if we are in an "interglacial period" than shouldn't we be more concerned with the Earth cooling down drastically in the future once we move back into the glacial period? Perhaps we should be doing everything we can to stave off another glacial period?


And no.... The reason people started calling it "climate change" in the early 2000's was because the Earth stopped gradually heating up in 1998. Since then it has planed off and has actually started dropping again (which they now blame on the heat moving into the ocean). Of course they don't want to be wrong, since it's hard to preach global warming as the earth is cooling down, they changed the name to "climate change".

And only an extremist liberal could actually try to convince someone "the earth is cooling down, because it's heating up and doesn't know what to do" lmfao...


I've been force fed the climate change argument from supporters of climate change, why don't you watch this video and at least hear the other side of the argument.


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    #19278241 - 12/15/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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andrewmurray86 said:
Pretty sure it's global warming. What's that snow isn't warm! You're right. but when you put more into a system you will get bigger extremes while the "bugs" are being sorted out.

Right now the planet is freaking out every which way trying to figure out what to do with all this extra energy until our oceans absorb it and begin warming.





you mind showing us the conclusive proof of this claim as opposed to the
speculation and models/simulations that show nothing but what someone puts
into it, especially since your statements are contradictory to what's being
claimed by the IPCC





Don't be that guy who runs around saying AGW isn't real.






OK, I wont

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/16643-top-scientists-slam-and-ridicule-un-ipcc-climate-report

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/100413-673966-networks-embrace-catastrophic-warnings-latest-ipcc-report.htm

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And since you're the one holding the position with less evidence, please show me (actual scientific data, not from one of those conspiracy sites) that the things i have said are not happening. Please show me the statements from the IPCC that contradict what I have said.




for starters, the IPCC has been changing their model because over the last 15 years their predictions havent even come close, yes, predictions based on a computer model that already claims the oceans to have been warming, that claim the ice caps are shrinking but dont take into account the thickness of the ice which shows them to be growing


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I'm all for intelligent debate but this is not intelligible. Let's say that AGW isn't real and that it's all a massive hoax... Why would you not want to take better care of the planet by adjusting our way or doing just about everything to have less impact on our planet?
Change and be safe, and if it is not real and you changed anyway... Well congratulations of the massive leaps forward we have made in technology and co-operation.




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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #19278259 - 12/15/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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tymoteusz3 said:
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Prisoner#1 said:

they're liberals arent they






Yes Prisoner, all scientists who disagree with your viewpoint are liberals :rolleyes:
Seriously - what is wrong with some people...





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    #19278263 - 12/15/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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non sequitor




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tymoteusz3 said:
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Prisoner#1 said:

they're liberals arent they






Yes Prisoner, all scientists who disagree with your viewpoint are liberals :rolleyes:
Seriously - what is wrong with some people...





we were discussing his college professors





so all college professors are liberals?
i would mostly agree with this but it's also a complaint i've heard from conservatives for over 20 years, that's just how long i've been paying attention, i can't imagine how long they have been bitching about it.

if all educators being liberals is a problem, then why haven't conservatives made a group effort to become educators themselves and create actual change to solve what they feel is a problem?


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: broken]
    #19278352 - 12/15/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

because conservatives and right minded people don't fare well in the education community. They are forced to preach something they do not believe in and if they don't like it they are fired or ostracized.

How would you feel if the shoe were on the other foot? If you had to preach ultra conservative rhetoric to your students when you don't agree with any of it. What if say you lived in the bible belt, had to get a job at a private school and had to teach creationism in science class? If you didn't teach the earth was made in 7 days 5000 years ago you would be fired?

That's how many professors feel at this point. Maybe to not such an extreme, but the feeling is certainly there... This is coming from someone who has two parents who were conservative educators.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19279114 - 12/15/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i knew i would get a reply something like this.

i believe in solutions to problems, not excuses for them.

go grassroots, get like-minded people heavily involved in PTA.
education is a liberal priority because liberals make it a priority.
if conservatives would focus their energy on such social issues instead of war, profits, corporate welfare, "drill baby, drill", gay marriage, distraction, distraction, distraction, they could get the real change that they wanted on these social issues.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: broken]
    #19279199 - 12/15/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You got that slightly wrong.  Mis-education is a priority for liberals.  I believe the liberals are quite as much responsible for corporate welfare as the conservatives and why would conservatives not focus on security, profits and drill baby drill?  Then there would just be more liberal idiots (redundant, I know).


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19279227 - 12/15/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the bone of a argument you tossed has no meat on it what-so ever.
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    #19279240 - 12/15/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Lol, ok so by your argument it is perfectly normal and in line with the natural procession of the earth for the ice sheets to continue melting?




Yes. The earth naturally does this.

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If the Earth warms up drastically and cools down drastically normally than how is man causing the earth to warm up?





We probably aren't having that much of an effect on the climate.

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Also again if we are in an "interglacial period" than shouldn't we be more concerned with the Earth cooling down drastically in the future once we move back into the glacial period? Perhaps we should be doing everything we can to stave off another glacial period?




I think anything we do to alter the earth's natural cycles will only hurt us and the environment in the long run.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: broken]
    #19279260 - 12/15/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the bone of a argument you tossed has no meat on it what-so ever.
as usual.



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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19279279 - 12/15/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:stanhopefacepalm:

you literally didn't post a single fact.

i thought trolling like this was braking pub rules?
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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19279290 - 12/15/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The climate is always changing.  Always.  Any asshole with the slightest bit of natural science knowledge would have heard of the ice age.  Not the little ice age but the big one.  The climate changed from that condition.  The alarmists making bank are talking about something else.  They are insisting that it is warming due to human activity even though there has been none for almost two decades, have made several predictions based on computer models that do not work, and are demanding that we cease or seriously curtail that which has led to the greatest prosperity the entire planet has ever seen.  Until cheap fossil fuels almost all of mankind were subsistence mooks.  For some reason these pinheads don't realize that.


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    #19279294 - 12/15/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

good.

the middle east could use some god damn snow.

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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: broken]
    #19279371 - 12/15/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i knew i would get a reply something like this.

i believe in solutions to problems, not excuses for them.

go grassroots, get like-minded people heavily involved in PTA.
education is a liberal priority because liberals make it a priority.
if conservatives would focus their energy on such social issues instead of war, profits, corporate welfare, "drill baby, drill", gay marriage, distraction, distraction, distraction, they could get the real change that they wanted on these social issues.





To be honest the line between democrat/republican has blurred so badly in the last few years I don't know which way is up anymore. You got democrats cutting funding to education and welfare programs, republicans proposing gun control legislation, and everybody pointing there finger at somebody else for the problems at hand. Personally I think the differences between the parties are dissipating and the whole group is slowing merging into a single agenda.

Education has always and will always be a democrat/liberal minded area. That's just the way it is. That's like saying "well if you liberals don't like what the NRA is doing then you should join,vote and make a difference and quit making excuses." lol


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: LittleDipster]
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Lol, ok so by your argument it is perfectly normal and in line with the natural procession of the earth for the ice sheets to continue melting?




Yes. The earth naturally does this.

Quote:

If the Earth warms up drastically and cools down drastically normally than how is man causing the earth to warm up?





We probably aren't having that much of an effect on the climate.

Quote:


Also again if we are in an "interglacial period" than shouldn't we be more concerned with the Earth cooling down drastically in the future once we move back into the glacial period? Perhaps we should be doing everything we can to stave off another glacial period?




I think anything we do to alter the earth's natural cycles will only hurt us and the environment in the long run.




I'm not really sure why you picked apart my post if we're in agreement? That last sentence there I was being cynical. We can't change the climate, lol, that was my whole point.


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andrewmurray86 said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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andrewmurray86 said:
Pretty sure it's global warming. What's that snow isn't warm! You're right. but when you put more into a system you will get bigger extremes while the "bugs" are being sorted out.

Right now the planet is freaking out every which way trying to figure out what to do with all this extra energy until our oceans absorb it and begin warming.





you mind showing us the conclusive proof of this claim as opposed to the
speculation and models/simulations that show nothing but what someone puts
into it, especially since your statements are contradictory to what's being
claimed by the IPCC





Don't be that guy who runs around saying AGW isn't real.






OK, I wont

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/16643-top-scientists-slam-and-ridicule-un-ipcc-climate-report

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/100413-673966-networks-embrace-catastrophic-warnings-latest-ipcc-report.htm

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And since you're the one holding the position with less evidence, please show me (actual scientific data, not from one of those conspiracy sites) that the things i have said are not happening. Please show me the statements from the IPCC that contradict what I have said.




for starters, the IPCC has been changing their model because over the last 15 years their predictions havent even come close, yes, predictions based on a computer model that already claims the oceans to have been warming, that claim the ice caps are shrinking but dont take into account the thickness of the ice which shows them to be growing


Quote:

I'm all for intelligent debate but this is not intelligible. Let's say that AGW isn't real and that it's all a massive hoax... Why would you not want to take better care of the planet by adjusting our way or doing just about everything to have less impact on our planet?
Change and be safe, and if it is not real and you changed anyway... Well congratulations of the massive leaps forward we have made in technology and co-operation.




non sequitor





You have shown no actual evidence. Don't hide being right wing gossip columns and call it science.

Please address my questions seriously if you are actually trying to convince my self and others here of your position.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19279551 - 12/15/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The IPCC is not a scientific body.  It is a political one.  There is not one utterance of theirs that I accept as science. 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/08/21/the-new-york-times-global-warming-hysteria-ignores-17-years-of-flat-global-temperatures/

No warming for 17 years.  Thousands of historic warming periods utterly unrelated to human activity since humans didn't exist.  Concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is measured in the hundredths of a percent and none of the highly touted computer models that these nimrods are making bank on have made any accurate predictions.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19279601 - 12/15/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wait, isn't Forbes a financial publication?

You reject an environmental body's view of AGW but go to a financial rag as authoritative?

That's like going to a kids birthday party looking for information on car insurance.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: broken]
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they're liberals arent they






Yes Prisoner, all scientists who disagree with your viewpoint are liberals :rolleyes:
Seriously - what is wrong with some people...





we were discussing his college professors





so all college professors are liberals?




did I say all? maybe you should link to the post so we can all enjoy it


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Wait, isn't Forbes a financial publication?

You reject an environmental body's view of AGW but go to a financial rag as authoritative?

That's like going to a kids birthday party looking for information on car insurance.



Do you dispute any of the facts in the article or any of the facts I provided?


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    #19279706 - 12/15/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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because conservatives and right minded people don't fare well in the education community. They are forced to preach something they do not believe in and if they don't like it they are fired or ostracized.





yet conservatives have a better understanding of education than liberals


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    #19279713 - 12/15/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Geo engineering. Obama. REPTILIANS



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    #19279714 - 12/15/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You have shown no actual evidence.





neither has the IPCC


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19279822 - 12/15/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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andrewmurray86 said:
Wait, isn't Forbes a financial publication?

You reject an environmental body's view of AGW but go to a financial rag as authoritative?

That's like going to a kids birthday party looking for information on car insurance.



Do you dispute any of the facts in the article or any of the facts I provided?





I didn't read it, for the reason I mentioned. It is stupid talking to or taking the "professional" opinion of people on a given topic when they are not specialists in that field.

Dawkins did the same thing in his book "The God Delusion". He got an opinion of someone who works in Maths regarding anthropology and history. He fails to mention it in his book because it's so ridiculous to begin with to do something and the position he was pushing is not accepted as factual.

So in answer to your question... If the article is saying that global warming isn't real or that we haven't shifted its progress forward immensely then yes. I am happy that the "facts" are not worthy of your time or intellect


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19279875 - 12/15/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130311091313.htm

As someone is who quite ignorant with the global warming debates, can someone enlighten me on what this means? Were we the ones who caused it's depletion? Have greener energy tactics caused a recovery process?

If anybody has ever been to China, they know the toll human pollution can have. I'm not one to say that an entire country of smog is going to destroy our atmosphere, but either way, we need to fix a massive problem with our species.


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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19279883 - 12/15/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Blindness is a necessary trait for the alarmists to succeed.  You do know the following to be facts, right?

1.  There has been no warming for 17 years even as CO2 concentrations have continued to go up
2.  None of the alarmist's predictions have panned out.  There aren't more storms and the polar ice is not extinct.
3.  The IPCC is a political body.
4.  Climate change has always happened and will continue to happen as long as there is an earth.
5.  CO2 concentrations are measured in hundredths of a percent.


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    #19279895 - 12/15/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130311091313.htm

As someone is who quite ignorant with the global warming debates, can someone enlighten me on what this means? Were we the ones who caused it's depletion? Have greener energy tactics caused a recovery process?




Nothing to do with warming.  Supposedly it was caused by CFCs (common aerosol propellants) which were restricted
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If anybody has ever been to China, they know the toll human pollution can have. I'm not one to say that an entire country of smog is going to destroy our atmosphere, but either way, we need to fix a massive problem with our species.




I suggest you go protest in China and see where that gets you.  They have no intention of stopping anything until their people riot and kill the leaders in their beds.  They've done it before.


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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130311091313.htm

As someone is who quite ignorant with the global warming debates, can someone enlighten me on what this means? Were we the ones who caused it's depletion? Have greener energy tactics caused a recovery process?




Nothing to do with warming.  Supposedly it was caused by CFCs (common aerosol propellants) which were restricted
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If anybody has ever been to China, they know the toll human pollution can have. I'm not one to say that an entire country of smog is going to destroy our atmosphere, but either way, we need to fix a massive problem with our species.




I suggest you go protest in China and see where that gets you.  They have no intention of stopping anything until their people riot and kill the leaders in their beds.  They've done it before.





I don't intend to go anywhere that considers a pack-of-smokes-a-day air habitable haha. I'm just using their state as an extreme example of what is a plausibility. I feel that before long it wont be individuals protesting, but entire countries getting pissed from smog winds traveling the planet.


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    #19279938 - 12/15/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Wait, isn't Forbes a financial publication?

You reject an environmental body's view of AGW but go to a financial rag as authoritative?

That's like going to a kids birthday party looking for information on car insurance.



Do you dispute any of the facts in the article or any of the facts I provided?





I didn't read it, for the reason I mentioned. It is stupid talking to or taking the "professional" opinion of people on a given topic when they are not specialists in that field.





had you read the articles I posted then you'd certainly have seen that
professionals in the field were coming out against the AGW claim from the
IPCC and you'd have seen how the IPCC is changing their model to fit the
observations

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Dawkins did the same thing in his book "The God Delusion". He got an opinion of someone who works in Maths regarding anthropology and history. He fails to mention it in his book because it's so ridiculous to begin with to do something and the position he was pushing is not accepted as factual.




much like the IPCC and the global warming alarmist using politicians and the media to push their political/financial agenda

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So in answer to your question... If the article is saying that global warming isn't real or that we haven't shifted its progress forward immensely then yes. I am happy that the "facts" are not worthy of your time or intellect





you're willing to speculate on something you didnt read and clearly dont
have knowledge about yourself while claiming that something else you arent
actually versed in must be true because some group of government employees
are saying it is and their evidence is the presentation of a few graphs and
charts based on erroneous computer models which have them scrambling to
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    #19279980 - 12/15/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The Earth does a pretty incredible job of protecting itself. Notice the Ozone concentrations around areas of high pollution. I don't think you'll find a single person here that doesn't agree with the fact that pollution is a bad thing, and of course we should take measures to protect the earth and its resources. I just don't like the idea of information that is twisted and manipulated to fit an agenda before it is presented to the people.

I don't like the idea of people making money on scare tactics and threats. Nor do I like to be intentionally deceived. Perhaps that's why I'm so critical when it comes to both global warming and guns. The agenda is so ridiculously blatant that it's a slap in the face of the general public. They're taking us all for fools.


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    #19279996 - 12/15/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

LOL, you're all fighting over a photoshopped pic.
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The Earth does a pretty incredible job of protecting itself. Notice the Ozone concentrations around areas of high pollution. I don't think you'll find a single person here that doesn't agree with the fact that pollution is a bad thing, and of course we should take measures to protect the earth and its resources. I just don't like the idea of information that is twisted and manipulated to fit an agenda before it is presented to the people.

I don't like the idea of people making money on scare tactics and threats. Nor do I like to be intentionally deceived. Perhaps that's why I'm so critical when it comes to both global warming and guns. The agenda is so ridiculously blatant that it's a slap in the face of the general public. They're taking us all for fools.





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    #19280079 - 12/15/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Any thread that could possibly turn political always becomes



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    #19280085 - 12/15/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What he said


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    #19280143 - 12/15/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm on my phone so I'll be quick...
Zappa: some of those things aren't true stop listening to politicians with oil tycoon buddies. It's the politicians here in AUS dismantling anything to do with climate change I'm sure it's the same in most countries. Anything international is always grounded in politics. Stick to scientists.
Prisoner: You haven't provided anything at all to back up your argument. You're acting like a troll.

Edit: added detail for clarification


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Truth....



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Prisoner: You haven't provided anything at all to back up your argument. You're acting like a troll.






neither has the IPCC

of course you didnt read the links provided because they'd show you that I did


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    #19280235 - 12/15/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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illa said:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130311091313.htm

As someone is who quite ignorant with the global warming debates, can someone enlighten me on what this means? Were we the ones who caused it's depletion? Have greener energy tactics caused a recovery process?




Nothing to do with warming.  Supposedly it was caused by CFCs (common aerosol propellants) which were restricted
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If anybody has ever been to China, they know the toll human pollution can have. I'm not one to say that an entire country of smog is going to destroy our atmosphere, but either way, we need to fix a massive problem with our species.




I suggest you go protest in China and see where that gets you.  They have no intention of stopping anything until their people riot and kill the leaders in their beds.  They've done it before.





I don't intend to go anywhere that considers a pack-of-smokes-a-day air habitable haha.




I suspect the pack a day thing would be the least of your worries


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I'm on my phone so I'll be quick...
Zappa: some of those things aren't true stop listening to politicians with oil tycoon buddies. It's the politicians here in AUS dismantling anything to do with climate change I'm sure it's the same in most countries. Anything international is always grounded in politics. Stick to scientists.
Prisoner: You haven't provided anything at all to back up your argument. You're acting like a troll.

Edit: added detail for clarification




I do stick to scientists.  They do not universally accept AGW and they have told me that CO2 concentrations are measured in hundredths of a percent, polar ice has not disappeared, climate change is a constant and their computer models have not accurately predicted anything.  You say anything international is political and yet you cited the IPCC as an authority on science

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Re: Snow in Egypt [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19280321 - 12/15/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If a panel of a thousand climate scientists can't convince but financial publications can then something is wrong.

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    #19280360 - 12/15/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If a panel of a thousand climate scientists can't convince but financial publications can then something is wrong.

Still waiting Prisoner :pm: me when you get there





what panel of a thousand climate scientists?


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    #19280373 - 12/15/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

When you consider all the scientists who are receiving soft grants to provide positive proof of climate change, those numbers become meaningless.

Cigarette companies hire scientists to do studies that prove that cigarettes aren't bad for you, aren't addictive, and don't cause cancer, and guess what. Their studies by the way they are structured prove those exact points. Of course it isn't true, but that doesn't mean the studies can't be structured to get to a predetermined conclusion. They're being paid by the cigarette company, so they work for them. Exactly how the "climate scientists" who are funded by the billions of dollars poured into climate change research are coming to conclusion which align with those who give them their paychecks.

It's really not all that hard to understand.


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    #19280437 - 12/15/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If a panel of a thousand climate scientists can't convince but financial publications can then something is wrong.

Still waiting Prisoner :pm: me when you get there



You can't refute a single fact I posted?  Not even one?


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    #19280473 - 12/15/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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When you consider all the scientists who are receiving soft grants to provide positive proof of climate change, those numbers become meaningless.

Cigarette companies hire scientists to do studies that prove that cigarettes aren't bad for you, aren't addictive, and don't cause cancer, and guess what. Their studies by the way they are structured prove those exact points. Of course it isn't true, but that doesn't mean the studies can't be structured to get to a predetermined conclusion. They're being paid by the cigarette company, so they work for them. Exactly how the "climate scientists" who are funded by the billions of dollars poured into climate change research are coming to conclusion which align with those who give them their paychecks.

It's really not all that hard to understand.



People disclose any biases as required. It is easy to track the cigarette companies doing what you describe and the same goes for any other study.

Zappa: You haven't posted facts to support your argument. But if you had, I can't. I can point you to people who can. But you don't seem like you want to get involved in reading it. But if you like check out @DoctorKarl on twitter.

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    #19280492 - 12/15/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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People disclose any biases as required. It is easy to track the cigarette companies doing what you describe and the same goes for any other study.






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    #19280507 - 12/15/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't twitter.  Twitter is for retards with no attention span

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/23/getting-very-close-to-meeting-santers-17-year-warming-test/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/09/23/antarctic-sea-ice-hit-35-year-record-high-saturday/
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
The mole fraction is expressed as parts per million (ppm). Example: 0.000400 is expressed as 400 ppm.

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    #19280538 - 12/15/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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People disclose any biases as required. It is easy to track the cigarette companies doing what you describe and the same goes for any other study.






Exactly, because other scientists who aren't funded by the cigarette companies run the same studies and come to different conclusions. Generally speaking you'll get something a little closer to the truth because they come from an unbiased standpoint. A system of checks and balances so to speak.

I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.

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i knew i would get a reply something like this.

i believe in solutions to problems, not excuses for them.

go grassroots, get like-minded people heavily involved in PTA.
education is a liberal priority because liberals make it a priority.
if conservatives would focus their energy on such social issues instead of war, profits, corporate welfare, "drill baby, drill", gay marriage, distraction, distraction, distraction, they could get the real change that they wanted on these social issues.





To be honest the line between democrat/republican has blurred so badly in the last few years I don't know which way is up anymore. You got democrats cutting funding to education and welfare programs, republicans proposing gun control legislation, and everybody pointing there finger at somebody else for the problems at hand. Personally I think the differences between the parties are dissipating and the whole group is slowing merging into a single agenda.








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    #19280552 - 12/15/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree too.  But they aren't merging in a good way.  Politicians of both parties are starting to act as if government control of everything is good.  When you're a hammer everything looks like a nail.


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    #19280602 - 12/15/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, a logical well stated post from Zappa.
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    #19280634 - 12/15/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Jonny - are you able to show vested interest in proving AGW is real? I'd be keen to see it :smile: it doesn't seem as obvious as the interest in dis-proving.

Zappa- I'll be back in a few hours with some peer-reviewed gear for you. Don't have access as I'm still on my phone... Sorry :frown:

Mean while you could get a twitter account, it's a very long opinionated conga line, you'll fit right in :lol: follow me and I'll follow back same handle as my shroomery name :wink:


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    #19280648 - 12/15/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No fucking way will I ever get a Twitter account.

Do you have any idea how much money Al Gore has made from Globullshit Warming?  He is not alone.

I got you on the phone thing though.  I understand how difficult it is


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    #19280679 - 12/15/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey just quickly... What are your views?

Just to clarify so I don't waste time with articles that aren't relevant...
You seem to recognise GW as being real but not convinced of the anthropogenic aspects. Would that be right?


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    #19280698 - 12/15/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Twitter is pretty cool if you're interested in a musician's tour dates and releases. Any specific person you enjoy, celebrity or no, probably has a twitter. Even companies you want to focus on for deals and stuff can be followed. You can customize the flow of information in whatever way you see fit.


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    #19280700 - 12/15/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think the overwhelming effector of our climate is 93 million miles away.  I absolutely do not believe that increasing the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere from 0.03% to 0.04% means dick.  Nor am I convinced that human activity has caused that but at least it is plausible.


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    #19280953 - 12/15/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Every time a volcano blows it's top it releases millions to billions of TONS of Co2, hydrogen sulfide, hydrogen chloride, hydrogen fluoride, carbon monoxide.... The list goes on and on. One volcano could contribute the same amount of air pollution as the entire period of the industrial revolution in one eruption.

Are there any long term effects to the atmosphere from them? How about the amount of C02 produced from dead any decaying plants and animals, any idea how that equates to the amounts produced by burning fossil fuels? I think you might be very surprised. What about forest fires caused by lighting and dry conditions? Since this is the shroomery any idea how many tons of carbon dioxide is produced annually by cow pies? lol


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Al Gore was bloody right, the earth is heating up!


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Every time a volcano blows it's top it releases millions to billions of TONS of Co2, hydrogen sulfide, hydrogen chloride, hydrogen fluoride, carbon monoxide.... The list goes on and on. One volcano could contribute the same amount of air pollution as the entire period of the industrial revolution in one eruption.





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Every time a volcano blows it's top it releases millions to billions of TONS of Co2, hydrogen sulfide, hydrogen chloride, hydrogen fluoride, carbon monoxide.... The list goes on and on. One volcano could contribute the same amount of air pollution as the entire period of the industrial revolution in one eruption.

Are there any long term effects to the atmosphere from them? How about the amount of C02 produced from dead any decaying plants and animals, any idea how that equates to the amounts produced by burning fossil fuels? I think you might be very surprised. What about forest fires caused by lighting and dry conditions? Since this is the shroomery any idea how many tons of carbon dioxide is produced annually by cow pies? lol





I like this guy!
Exploring further information then the mass media tells and using logical thinking to come to a conclusion, one so obvious that it not even be stated.
This is the kind of human behavior I rarely see and applaud.


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I think a solid definition of anthropogenic is needed. For example, do you include the methan emissions from livestock as anthropogenic since we are producing these animals for our consumption?

I'm not sure...

Anyway I can only attach 1 file per post so here you go guys. Please read the abstract and note the journal so you can get a better idea of the bias involved. Check the sources that are referenced too.


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    #19282097 - 12/16/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think a solid definition of anthropogenic is needed.





I think a solid link to a thousand climate scientist saying that global warming is man made is needed


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    #19282228 - 12/16/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Don't misquote me... that's dumb and make your arguments (still waiting for something btw) less convincing.

link is here

if you missed then you can click here as well

if you want to rub it in my face about being wrong the click here
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    #19282679 - 12/16/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't misquote me... that's dumb and make your arguments (still waiting for something btw) less convincing.

link is here

if you missed then you can click here as well

if you want to rub it in my face about being wrong the click here
in case you missed that one one too then click here instead





that's the IPCC website, the IPCC has been highly criticized for their
political alliances as well as their work, as has been stated and I'd
linked to earlier, climate scientiss are making most of the criticisms and
because the results havent fit any of their models they've resorted to
changing their expected outcomes and lowering the values to reflect their
'new predictions', several years back they'd predicted the disappearance of
the Himalayan Glaciers, once more they were wrong because much of the data
the IPCC was using was fictitious and instead of shrinking, they too were
growing, just like the polar ice caps

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/24/151206843/melt-or-grow-fate-of-himalayan-glaciers-unknown

so this panel of 1000 charlatans has convinced some folks that they're
scientists and yet nonthing they seem to be saying pans out so they change
the data, change the results and call themselves scientists instead of
fraudsters and the believers just keep believing in these noah's ark like
bible stories about the ice caps melting and the world flooding

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    #19282801 - 12/16/13 08:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the ice caps are not growing

they are spreading out thinly more

there thickness has indeed shrunk


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Illyabo said:
the ice caps are not growing

they are spreading out thinly more

there thickness has indeed shrunk




I'm not so sure about that. Have you ever heard of the B2 bombers and P38's that were flying over Greenland when they went down in the 1940's. Some scientists went back to find them and extract them in 1980's and they couldn't find them anywhere. Turns out they were buried almost 300 under the ice completely intact. Which means that glacial ice didn't push them down there or they would of been completely destroyed. Snow drifted over, melted slightly and froze many, many times. Which is how the ice sheets grow. True some of the edges of Greenland have been melting back some but the height/thickness has been growing rather continually since the early 1900's.

One of the planes was extracted and is now known as the Glacial Girl.

Also, the Vikings used to farm Greenland and settled there for a few hundred years. So what caused the of Greenland a few thousand years ago? I think if the vikings were still around they would probably be rather amused at our concern over the ice melting back around the edges slightly, lol.

Still wouldn't consider it farmland quite yet, would you?

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    #19282905 - 12/16/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the entire ice cap in the north disappears every year and returns

my brother is goin to the southpole this year

it's very possible that it could be a landmass in the near future


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    #19282973 - 12/16/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Might wanna check your facts on that.


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Actually, a lake forms at the northern polar cap every year during the summer.

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    #19283095 - 12/16/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i figured since google earth doesn't show it

but that actually makes a lot of the stuff i was readin bout sheet thinning make more since

the ice up there is very old and doesn't thaw


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    #19284004 - 12/16/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm going to assume that you haven't read those articles I posted.


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    #19284464 - 12/16/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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andrewmurray86 said:
next




From your link


Quote:

History of anthropogenic climate change
In the following paragraphs we present elements of
a ‘history of anthropogenic climate changes’. Most
of the cases were not real; as a matter of fact, none
of them proved to be associated with significant impacts
related to the suggested dynamical link.
But
all cases were associated with the perception of significant
discontinuities; in most instances the apprehended
change was seen as a threat; only rarely
were they welcomed as an improvement.




Did you read it?

Now you're done.  Your first link does not support your premise


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    #19285633 - 12/16/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not silly or biased enough to post articles that all point one direction.

I thought there were a few that leant the other way...

Doesn't mean I'm done because 1 article out of the 7 I posted support something else. The methodology one you will really like.


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I'm not silly or biased enough to post articles that all point one direction.


  The whole of that article pointed in the direction of exposing alarmist fraud.  Admit it, you got burned by a title and never read a word of it.
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I thought there were a few that leant the other way...

Doesn't mean I'm done because 1 article out of the 7 I posted support something else. The methodology one you will really like.




It was the first one.  What is it with the PDFs, anyway?  Did you read those articles?  Or do you just go by the titles?

I will check out the methodology one, though, since it seems like you might actually have read it


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    #19285819 - 12/16/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I read it.  I liked this line, which is often ignored in the debate

Quote:

Since as a matter of fact, the cash-value of the idea of
AGW has proved to be positive,




It was a treatise on logic and scientific validity that was fairly well known to anybody with an education in the field of such things.  Really, as he admits, there is nothing there that shouldn't have been taught in any sophomore research methods class.


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    #19286172 - 12/16/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Generally I will read the abstracts and investigate the first and last 2 or 3 paragraphs if I haven't for time to read the whole thing. This generally will give the direction, tone and conclusions of the article. So yes you're right in that I didn't read the whole things. I would appreciate you taking me seriously though when I said I included them all even though they all on purpose.

They are all PDF format because that's how I get access to them.


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    #19322377 - 12/24/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yep first time in over 100 years we are seeing snow in Egypt. Some pretty cool stuff.

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The snow that has blanketed much of the Middle East turned Cairo white on Friday - with local news reports claiming it was Egypt's capital's first snowfall in 112 years.

Snow covers the scene in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula
The city averages less than an inch of rain each year, and hundreds stopped their walk to work or school to snap pictures of the falling flakes, tweeting their delights




http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/13/snow-egypt-middle-east_n_4438571.html?utm_hp_ref=uk



I'm not inviting any theorists, but geoengineering?!? :tinfoil:  :paranoid:




When I quoted this post I noticed the picture came from abovetopsecret. That's because it is photoshopped and not a real picture. The one with the sphinx covered in snow that was posted everywhere was from a Japanese miniature world. There was no snow on the pyramids. It looked cool though.


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