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Why do conservatives exist? 2
#19273654 - 12/14/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay first off let me just define my ideas behind the words I'm going to use, feel free to correct me on them because I'm sure they're wrong based on today's standards, but I'm going by my understandings of the words. Conservative: Against change, pro-life, anti-gay marriage, no public healthcare etc Libertarian: Do what the fuck you want as long as it hurts no one else + public health care etc
So my question is the title, why do conservatives exist? All they try to do is stop other people from doing things that they want to do (apart from no public healthcare, but I have weird views on healthcare) while libertarians seem to be arguing for peoples rights to do what they want regardless of whether people agree with it or not.
Now I don't identify as either yet because I don't fully understand the scope of both sides but I'm probably a libertarian based on what I already know.
The thing that makes no sense to me is that, if you're a conservative, you and your family can live perfectly conservative and happy lives under libertarian style laws, no one is forcing you to do drugs or go to gay peoples weddings or have abortions, but if the laws are conservative, people can't live freely and the way that they want and shouldn't everyone just want as many people as possible to live the way that they want to?
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha] 4
#19273658 - 12/14/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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In general, I think it's healthy for a population to play safe and to explore/innovate at the same time. So as a result, a successful species will have more innovative and more conservative specimens - and even both traits locked in the same individual.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: koraks] 1
#19273663 - 12/14/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I understand what you're saying but I don't think being anti-gay and pro-life is 'playing it safe'. In my opinion playing it safe is sticking with wheat and corn instead of re-doing the entire agricultural system for quinoa.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha] 3
#19273717 - 12/14/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Conservative exist to prevent the fucktards from taking over...
In all seriousness though. Most conservatives aren't really what you described. They are simply people that want to make a balanced budget and they want the gov to stay away from as many things as possible. Both ideas are very sound. A blanced budget = no debt and if the gov isn't involved in many thing than taxes a low. It's a great idea when you think about it.
What most conservatives don't understand is that the government isn't only there to govern. It's also the country's referee and it is it's duty to ensure the quality of life of its citizens. Which means, health care, schools, programs etc...
I understand the way they think too. Everything the government touches costs twice as much as if a private company did it. But there are things you can't give to the private market.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha] 1
#19273734 - 12/14/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Now I don't identify as either yet because I don't fully understand the scope of both sides but I'm probably a libertarian based on what I already know.
There's more than 2 sides to this coin.
you have varying degrees of conservatives and liberals, and those 'fence sitters' in the middle

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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: vinsue] 1
#19273768 - 12/14/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because someone has to be accountable and responsible for what happens with public policy. That's why we are here and everywhere. There are almost twice as many people identifying themselves as conservatives as identify themselves as liberals.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha] 3
#19273784 - 12/14/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're focusing on purely social issues OP, there's also the economic aspect you have to look at. I honestly agree with a good bit of conservative economics.
And it's already been said but diversity is good. You need to challenge your views on the daily, look at things from different perspectives. Circle jerks aren't exactly the most beneficial thing in the world.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha] 2
#19273827 - 12/14/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think libertarians are for public health care.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: jewunit]
#19273834 - 12/14/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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jewunit said: I don't think libertarians are for public health care.
This^
Also libertarians are considered economically conservative, so you're question seems kinda silly OP.
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Libertarians are extremely capitalist and pro-free-market. How is that economically conservative?
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Libertarians and conservatives, in American politics at least, often have similar economic ideals.
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Ummmmmm free trade and deregulation of the economy are most certainly conservative ideas
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
#19273897 - 12/14/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You could ask why do some people hold to things that are changing and do not want to change. Why are some people so stupid and uneducated on subjects that need a lot of attention. Change is inevitable and some people do not like/want it! The gays, guns, abortion, and ganja issues are hot topics among the general public. Some people hold true to "tradition" because they are scared of the changes that coming. They might say the breaking down of these "values/traditions" is the road to the end of society as we know it.
There are just too many points to take on with this subject in a brief few sentences. The old people and ways are dying out. It is slowly coming around to a new era of open mindedness. The old ones have trained the young ones well though. Each generation gets filtered a little more, and they hold that the old ones have is slowly being loosened by the net and the information that is available to the younger ones.
I have faith in the younger generation. I know that the changes that need to made will happen. I may not see it in my life time, but there will be a day when the people will be laughing at the things that are hot button issues now such as "gay marriage", drugs, etc... all the kids in school will be discussing how ignorant we seemed about issues that should not matter.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
#19273911 - 12/14/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FunkyBuddha said: I understand what you're saying but I don't think being anti-gay and pro-life is 'playing it safe'. In my opinion playing it safe is sticking with wheat and corn instead of re-doing the entire agricultural system for quinoa.
Anti-gay = entire population available for procreation Pro-life = optimizing odds of the path between conception and procreation Look at it from an evolutionary perspective. It makes perfect sense.
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Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. Then you have the contributions of the opt out news media which is almost overwhelmingly liberal to go along with sycophantic hypocrites in the entertainment media. The younger generation has been sold a lie about what is and is not conservative by the enemy and this has engendered a complete lack of consideration of the real ramifications of encouraging and supporting those who will not work. Work is not play. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
This conservative doesn't think the government should be involved in either sanctioning or penalizing any marriage. That goes for the tax code especially. The only role government should have in marriage is to adjudicate its dissolution just as it does in any other contract dispute. I also believe that the nuclear family is the most effective form of social arrangement for the parties involved. The liberals are actively encouraging its dissolution through the welfare state and have been for decades. How's that working out? Drugs? Liberals want to prohibit big sodas. What drugs would you release from prohibition? This conservative would release them all. You should have the freedom to fuck yourself up and I should not be forced to help you if you do so. My sole duty should be to inform you that they may be harmful to your health. After that it is up to you. Go ahead and snort Peru. I don't give a fuck. Abortion? I have no conflict on this issue. Up to viability (which is going to continue to change) they should be permitted. That doesn't mean they should be funded by the government. There is no conflict for me because I am an atheist but every abortion supporter who professes a religious belief in the soul is a fucking hypocrite.
I don't give a fuck about open-mindedness. I give a fuck about what the government is doing to stifle freedom and control our lives. It is largely being done by liberals.
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KremrBigSikter said: Libertarians are extremely capitalist and pro-free-market. How is that economically conservative?
Ummmmmm free trade and deregulation of the economy are most certainly conservative ideas
In today's sense of conservatism, but real conservatism does not like the idea of free trade/globalization. Being conservative means keeping the status quo, and not implementing big changes without knowing the outcome. The same could be said with deregulation, true conservatives are NOT always in favor of deregulating established polices.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19274250 - 12/14/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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is a fucking hypocrite.
Many American liberals have a strong authoritarian streak. They talk about "open mindedness" but they are so willing to shut up and shut down anyone that doesn't toe their line.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: setb]
#19274320 - 12/14/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's why the NY Times is screaming so much about Citizens United
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
#19274568 - 12/14/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FunkyBuddha said: Why do conservatives exist?
because someone has to be right all of the time and it's certainly not liberals or libertarians
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The thing that makes no sense to me is that, if you're a conservative, you and your family can live perfectly conservative and happy lives under libertarian style laws, no one is forcing you to do drugs or go to gay peoples weddings or have abortions, but if the laws are conservative, people can't live freely and the way that they want and shouldn't everyone just want as many people as possible to live the way that they want to? 
see, an example of how libertarians are wrong, you listen to the media, most conservatives dont give two shits about this crap
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KremrBigSikter said: Libertarians are extremely capitalist and pro-free-market. How is that economically conservative?
Ummmmmm free trade and deregulation of the economy are most certainly conservative ideas
libertarianism is a conservative idea
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19274604 - 12/14/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Libertarianism is more purely conservative than conservatism
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19274688 - 12/14/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. Then you have the contributions of the opt out news media which is almost overwhelmingly liberal to go along with sycophantic hypocrites in the entertainment media. The younger generation has been sold a lie about what is and is not conservative by the enemy and this has engendered a complete lack of consideration of the real ramifications of encouraging and supporting those who will not work. Work is not play. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
This conservative doesn't think the government should be involved in either sanctioning or penalizing any marriage. That goes for the tax code especially. The only role government should have in marriage is to adjudicate its dissolution just as it does in any other contract dispute. I also believe that the nuclear family is the most effective form of social arrangement for the parties involved. The liberals are actively encouraging its dissolution through the welfare state and have been for decades. How's that working out? Drugs? Liberals want to prohibit big sodas. What drugs would you release from prohibition? This conservative would release them all. You should have the freedom to fuck yourself up and I should not be forced to help you if you do so. My sole duty should be to inform you that they may be harmful to your health. After that it is up to you. Go ahead and snort Peru. I don't give a fuck. Abortion? I have no conflict on this issue. Up to viability (which is going to continue to change) they should be permitted. That doesn't mean they should be funded by the government. There is no conflict for me because I am an atheist but every abortion supporter who professes a religious belief in the soul is a fucking hypocrite.
I don't give a fuck about open-mindedness. I give a fuck about what the government is doing to stifle freedom and control our lives. It is largely being done by liberals.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod] 1
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. Then you have the contributions of the opt out news media which is almost overwhelmingly liberal to go along with sycophantic hypocrites in the entertainment media. The younger generation has been sold a lie about what is and is not conservative by the enemy and this has engendered a complete lack of consideration of the real ramifications of encouraging and supporting those who will not work. Work is not play. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
This conservative doesn't think the government should be involved in either sanctioning or penalizing any marriage. That goes for the tax code especially. The only role government should have in marriage is to adjudicate its dissolution just as it does in any other contract dispute. I also believe that the nuclear family is the most effective form of social arrangement for the parties involved. The liberals are actively encouraging its dissolution through the welfare state and have been for decades. How's that working out? Drugs? Liberals want to prohibit big sodas. What drugs would you release from prohibition? This conservative would release them all. You should have the freedom to fuck yourself up and I should not be forced to help you if you do so. My sole duty should be to inform you that they may be harmful to your health. After that it is up to you. Go ahead and snort Peru. I don't give a fuck. Abortion? I have no conflict on this issue. Up to viability (which is going to continue to change) they should be permitted. That doesn't mean they should be funded by the government. There is no conflict for me because I am an atheist but every abortion supporter who professes a religious belief in the soul is a fucking hypocrite.
I don't give a fuck about open-mindedness. I give a fuck about what the government is doing to stifle freedom and control our lives. It is largely being done by liberals.
See, now you're a true conservative, Zap. It seems the Bible-thumping Xtian zealots have taken over the Republican Party these days, alas.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: Le_Canard]
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I am sick and tired of the perversion of the language that academia, the press and the entertainment industry are perpetrating. And no, the religious zealots are losing ground these days. I would also point out that the Democrats profess their undying love of the baby Jesus just as much as Republicans because they are all pandering whores on that issue.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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This is why at the beginning I defined my terms, I know according to the american legal system those terms don't mean what they should mean. So look at it this way, why do people enjoy telling other people what they can't do instead of focusing on what they themselves should be allowed to do.
What makes them feel so entitled to say 'oh I know better than you, you fucking butt pirate I'm right, you can't get married and that's that'. How can anyone justify that their personal views are so correct that they should be enforced on everyone?
Now don't get me wrong if I had ultimate power things would be very fucking different to how I want things to be seeing as I don't (read: License to have children, people with genetic disorders of any kind can't have kids, democracies would actually be made up of people that represent the masses not senior white males).
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
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This is why at the beginning I defined my terms, I know according to the american legal system those terms don't mean what they should mean. So look at it this way, why do people enjoy telling other people what they can't do instead of focusing on what they themselves should be allowed to do.
You don't get to control the language and the people who are by and large telling others what to do are liberalsQuote:
What makes them feel so entitled to say 'oh I know better than you, you fucking butt pirate I'm right, you can't get married and that's that'. How can anyone justify that their personal views are so correct that they should be enforced on everyone?
It is a liberal construct to enforce control. Pay attentionQuote:
Now don't get me wrong if I had ultimate power things would be very fucking different to how I want things to be seeing as I don't (read: License to have children, people with genetic disorders of any kind can't have kids, democracies would actually be made up of people that represent the masses not senior white males).
My zappa what a heinously ignorant post. Old white males are your issue? You should get down on your knees and suck our cocks everyday because we are responsible for providing you with the leisure to whine about that kind of nonsense instead of subsistence farming and fending off predators. Get off the net, product of white males
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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This dude is a perfect example of why I hate liberals. All of their problems with Conservatives are Liberal problems.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
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FunkyBuddha said: Now I don't identify as either yet because I don't fully understand the scope of both sides but I'm probably a libertarian based on what I already know.
The thing that makes no sense to me is that, if you're a conservative, you and your family can live perfectly conservative and happy lives under libertarian style laws, no one is forcing you to do drugs or go to gay peoples weddings or have abortions, but if the laws are conservative, people can't live freely and the way that they want and shouldn't everyone just want as many people as possible to live the way that they want to? 
Libertarians are basically super-conservatives. I think you're confusing social conservatism for fiscal conservatism.
I think you meant to say liberal, not libertarian...
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Libertarian: Do what the fuck you want as long as it hurts no one else + public health care etc
Libertarians don't want public healthcare. They are super conservatives and are against any type of welfare, including public healthcare, student aid, EBT (food stamps), homeless shelters, domestic violence shelters, etc.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
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FunkyBuddha said: Okay first off let me just define my ideas behind the words I'm going to use, feel free to correct me on them because I'm sure they're wrong based on today's standards, but I'm going by my understandings of the words. Conservative: Against change, pro-life, anti-gay marriage, no public healthcare etc Libertarian: Do what the fuck you want as long as it hurts no one else + public health care etc
So my question is the title, why do conservatives exist? All they try to do is stop other people from doing things that they want to do (apart from no public healthcare, but I have weird views on healthcare) while libertarians seem to be arguing for peoples rights to do what they want regardless of whether people agree with it or not.
Now I don't identify as either yet because I don't fully understand the scope of both sides but I'm probably a libertarian based on what I already know.
The thing that makes no sense to me is that, if you're a conservative, you and your family can live perfectly conservative and happy lives under libertarian style laws, no one is forcing you to do drugs or go to gay peoples weddings or have abortions, but if the laws are conservative, people can't live freely and the way that they want and shouldn't everyone just want as many people as possible to live the way that they want to? 
            
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FunkyBuddha said: Okay first off let me just define my ideas behind the words I'm going to use, feel free to correct me on them because I'm sure they're wrong based on today's standards, but I'm going by my understandings of the words. Conservative: Against change, pro-life, anti-gay marriage, no public healthcare etc Libertarian: Do what the fuck you want as long as it hurts no one else + public health care etc
So my question is the title, why do conservatives exist? All they try to do is stop other people from doing things that they want to do (apart from no public healthcare, but I have weird views on healthcare) while libertarians seem to be arguing for peoples rights to do what they want regardless of whether people agree with it or not.
Now I don't identify as either yet because I don't fully understand the scope of both sides but I'm probably a libertarian based on what I already know.
The thing that makes no sense to me is that, if you're a conservative, you and your family can live perfectly conservative and happy lives under libertarian style laws, no one is forcing you to do drugs or go to gay peoples weddings or have abortions, but if the laws are conservative, people can't live freely and the way that they want and shouldn't everyone just want as many people as possible to live the way that they want to? 
Are you actually Australian? If so I'm just a bit confused about your position because we have (possibly the best) public healthcare, Medicare, and even the Abbott government is looking to extend that to dental. Amazing right? (check the pun).
My second question is are commenting on US American politics? Because that's what it seems. You've used terms much more associated with with USA than in AUS.
Anyway... If you are commenting on Australian politics then I'm with that this government is terrible. If you're commenting in on USA I do not know enough to reliably comment.
Did I just troll this guy? I hope not... I'm just confused about it. No one in Aus would ever touch Medicare to remove it, only to make it better. As for the ABC, if they touch that I'm riot, properly riot.
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
At some point there were plenty of old ass guys that said the same thing about the guys who started all the software companies
Well those are the most powerful companies in the world now, and the guys in the older generations that actually had the foresight to see that they were onto something, and not stuck in the past busy sniffing their own farts, made ludicrous amounts of money.
The railroads will never die! The American Auto will never die! Oil is entirely sustainable!
Im not saying there isn’t a place for traditionalism but it is beyond dumb to discount any new innovations and ideas.
As for that stupid liberals V conservatives thing, they just social issues as wedge to get stupid people to vote their way. Looking solely at a candidates political party/ideology makes zero sense to me.
Ive voted for Republicans and Democrats alike, self identify liberal.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: elax420]
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
Every previous generation always says that about the new generations. People were saying that in the '30s and '40s about you, that you were good for nothing druggies who listened to Satan's music. Take a look at this quote that was said about young adults in the 1970's:
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"They are more interested in climbing Mt Everest than climbing the corporate ladder. They've never punched a time clock. They have no idea what it's like to actually be in an office at nine o'clock, with people handing them work."
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: Crystal G]
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I'm not talking about either legal system, which is why at the beginning I defined my terms seeing as I knew that they would most likely be wrong, see that bit where I said fell free to correct me? I don't want you to give me the correct definition for my words, I'm looking for the correct words for my definitions.
Let me rephrase, why is anyone against individual freedom? Why do people want everyone to live by their ideas if what's good and bad? It surely can't be that hard to say 'I think you're a fucking idiot and I think the things you're doing are wrong, but you're not harming anyone but yourself so go right ahead'
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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And if you actually read my post you would realise I have no issue with old white males, I have an issue with the fact that they make up the majority of almost every democracies government, which is an inaccurate representation of the counties population.
How can you expect the government to provide for the wants and needs of a diverse population when it is majorly made up of a single demographic?
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
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I think it balances and unfortunately divides our country at times.There is always going to be hardcore liberals who think the U.S. government are a bunch of Nazis and there's a lot of people who think it's an ATROCITY to have ANY kind of abortion in any circumstance. It's the same way I feel about hardcore Christians or hardcore atheists, people should respect some of the other parties ideas and come to more reasonable mutual respect.Especially within religion,personally I almost never talk about the fact that I consider myself a christian but often I have atheist friends that try and make me feel dumb about my beliefs.I stress that I know just as much about them about history and science but personally i still believe in God and Christ. That doesn't make me stupid we just have different belief systems
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: koraks]
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Anti-gay = entire population available for procreation Pro-life = optimizing odds of the path between conception and procreation Look at it from an evolutionary perspective. It makes perfect sense.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: elax420]
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
At some point there were plenty of old ass guys that said the same thing about the guys who started all the software companies
Are you really trying to extend the accomplishments of the very few in a generation I was not talking about to all of its members. Gates, Jobs, etc are from MY generation. The later generation gave us, yipee, Facebook. Record numbers of college students in useless degree programs and record number of 20 somethings living with mommy and daddy. The Failure to Launch generation.Quote:
Well those are the most powerful companies in the world now, and the guys in the older generations that actually had the foresight to see that they were onto something, and not stuck in the past busy sniffing their own farts, made ludicrous amounts of money.
The railroads will never die! The American Auto will never die! Oil is entirely sustainable!
Nice set of straw menQuote:
Im not saying there isn’t a place for traditionalism but it is beyond dumb to discount any new innovations and ideas.
Who does that?Quote:
As for that stupid liberals V conservatives thing, they just social issues as wedge to get stupid people to vote their way. Looking solely at a candidates political party/ideology makes zero sense to me.
I'd like to get some glimmer of what the assholes intend to do if they are elected and their ideology and party identification are useful gauges of that.Quote:
Ive voted for Republicans and Democrats alike, self identify liberal.
Was the Republican unopposed? I have voted for Dems in the past but that was a long time and they were less nutty then. I had the privilege of voting for Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: Crystal G]
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
Every previous generation always says that about the new generations. People were saying that in the '30s and '40s about you, that you were good for nothing druggies who listened to Satan's music. Take a look at this quote that was said about young adults in the 1970's:
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"They are more interested in climbing Mt Everest than climbing the corporate ladder. They've never punched a time clock. They have no idea what it's like to actually be in an office at nine o'clock, with people handing them work."
I knew this was coming but I have stats to back me up. See above post in re Failure to Launch. The economy was worse in 1979 (year I graduated) than it is now and we didn't move back home to mommy in droves.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
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FunkyBuddha said: And if you actually read my post you would realise I have no issue with old white males, I have an issue with the fact that they make up the majority of almost every democracies government, which is an inaccurate representation of the counties population.
How can you expect the government to provide for the wants and needs of a diverse population when it is majorly made up of a single demographic?
You want quotas? Do you know why they make up most of the elected leaders? Because they are perceived as competent by the electorate. After Obama that perception should increase.. I don't think anybody gets elected because they are Caucasian, anymore, but I know quite a few Negroes do. Sheila Jackson Lee and Obama are two that come to mind. Both utter incompetents.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
At some point there were plenty of old ass guys that said the same thing about the guys who started all the software companies
Are you really trying to extend the accomplishments of the very few in a generation I was not talking about to all of its members. Gates, Jobs, etc are from MY generation. The later generation gave us, yipee, Facebook. Record numbers of college students in useless degree programs and record number of 20 somethings living with mommy and daddy. The Failure to Launch generation. You might also note that I put the blame for the situation on MY generation
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. Then you have the contributions of the opt out news media which is almost overwhelmingly liberal to go along with sycophantic hypocrites in the entertainment media. The younger generation has been sold a lie about what is and is not conservative by the enemy and this has engendered a complete lack of consideration of the real ramifications of encouraging and supporting those who will not work. Work is not play. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
This conservative doesn't think the government should be involved in either sanctioning or penalizing any marriage. That goes for the tax code especially. The only role government should have in marriage is to adjudicate its dissolution just as it does in any other contract dispute. I also believe that the nuclear family is the most effective form of social arrangement for the parties involved. The liberals are actively encouraging its dissolution through the welfare state and have been for decades. How's that working out? Drugs? Liberals want to prohibit big sodas. What drugs would you release from prohibition? This conservative would release them all. You should have the freedom to fuck yourself up and I should not be forced to help you if you do so. My sole duty should be to inform you that they may be harmful to your health. After that it is up to you. Go ahead and snort Peru. I don't give a fuck. Abortion? I have no conflict on this issue. Up to viability (which is going to continue to change) they should be permitted. That doesn't mean they should be funded by the government. There is no conflict for me because I am an atheist but every abortion supporter who professes a religious belief in the soul is a fucking hypocrite.
I don't give a fuck about open-mindedness. I give a fuck about what the government is doing to stifle freedotime d control our lives. It is largely being done by liberals.
Somehow I missed this entire post when I was going through the responses the first time 
Every single thing you said, excluding the younger generation stuff (not because I disagree but because I think that while on the whole my generation is full of lazy fucking retards, some of the rest are doing amazing things) I agree with. I think that whether I agree with it personally or not, people have a right to do whatever the fuck they want to themselves, but they shouldn't expect help if they do.
In my opinion (whether it would work in practicality or not), there should be a public healthcare system similar to the one in Australia but it should be similar to a warranty. You start out with full coverage, if you choose to smoke for any length of time of say, a month or more? You immediately void your coverage of any disease, illness or anything at all that has been linked to smoking. If you choose to be a fucking fat ass and treat your body like shit eating maccas all day and never exercising, you forfeit your coverage for anything that has been linked (by scientific study) to that lifestyle. But if you just trip down the stairs and break your arm through no fault of your own, I'll gladly send you some of my tax dollars to help out.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
Every previous generation always says that about the new generations. People were saying that in the '30s and '40s about you, that you were good for nothing druggies who listened to Satan's music. Take a look at this quote that was said about young adults in the 1970's:
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"They are more interested in climbing Mt Everest than climbing the corporate ladder. They've never punched a time clock. They have no idea what it's like to actually be in an office at nine o'clock, with people handing them work."
I knew this was coming but I have stats to back me up. See above post in re Failure to Launch. The economy was worse in 1979
Well no shit. Thanks for the history lesson there. The economy is at an all time high right now....................
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: elax420]
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What are you on and will you send me some?
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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No hookup requests.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
Every previous generation always says that about the new generations. People were saying that in the '30s and '40s about you, that you were good for nothing druggies who listened to Satan's music. Take a look at this quote that was said about young adults in the 1970's:
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"They are more interested in climbing Mt Everest than climbing the corporate ladder. They've never punched a time clock. They have no idea what it's like to actually be in an office at nine o'clock, with people handing them work."
I knew this was coming but I have stats to back me up. See above post in re Failure to Launch. The economy was worse in 1979 (year I graduated) than it is now and we didn't move back home to mommy in droves.
"The economy was worse in 1979 than it is now"
Not a chance in hell, 79 was a party compared to today.
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zappaisgod said: What are you on and will you send me some?
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: qman]
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
Every previous generation always says that about the new generations. People were saying that in the '30s and '40s about you, that you were good for nothing druggies who listened to Satan's music. Take a look at this quote that was said about young adults in the 1970's:
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"They are more interested in climbing Mt Everest than climbing the corporate ladder. They've never punched a time clock. They have no idea what it's like to actually be in an office at nine o'clock, with people handing them work."
I knew this was coming but I have stats to back me up. See above post in re Failure to Launch. The economy was worse in 1979 (year I graduated) than it is now and we didn't move back home to mommy in droves.
"The economy was worse in 1979 than it is now"
Not a chance in hell, 79 was a party compared to today.
Uhhh, no it wasn't. It was worse. Double digit inflation and 3.2% growth followed by negative growth in 1980
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: elax420]
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Fuck nevermind i dont feel like ranting
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: elax420]
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Wallstreet absofuckinglutly loves the Fed's QE program, however, it's only creating the biggest bubble the world has ever seen. It's fake, it's meaningless.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: setb]
#19285292 - 12/16/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes it is absolutely meaningless to people that fail to capitalize on it. What I told Zappa was spot on and that was the only point of posting it.
Feel free to talk about Ron Paul and the gold standard all you want now.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: elax420]
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The Dow and the S&P are NOT the economy.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/06/news/economy/labor-force-participation/
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Labor participation lowest since 1978
GDP growth short of population growth. Federal deficits in the hundreds of billions of dollars every year totaling 17T at his point and rising. Record numbers of people on food stamps. Do you contemplate anything beyond your navel and sports related vitriol?
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19285327 - 12/16/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ill give you points for making the conservative argument about employment in the conservative thread, thats it though.
Step up your game brahhh
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: elax420]
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I am going to do you a favor. You wrote
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elax420 said: The economy is at an all time high right now....................
Then you posted some stats about the Dow (which is NOT at an all time high inflation adjusted, by the way) and the S&P. I have no idea where it is historically. Don't care. If you think the DJI equals the economy you are stunningly ignorant. It most certainly does not. It is one small part of the economy. The rest is for shit and the market is being propped up by the Fed. I'm not saying that is necessarily a bad thing, although it might be, but it sure doesn't mean shit to anybody who doesn't play and is out of work.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19285364 - 12/16/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude i said the Economy is at an all time high.
IS the stock market not at an all time high (check chart) oh it is..... who said anything about inflation? Its kinda funny how when the stock market has hiccups “the sky is falling” when its at an all time high “eh doesn’t mean shit” I don’t know if you do for sure but by far and large the majority of the population gauges the economy by how the market performs.
You know employment numbers are bullshit, actually you probably don’t because you took psych... but employment numbers don’t account for everybody.
And if its not at its best point now, when was it?
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elax420 said: Dude i said the Economy is at an all time high.
IS the stock market not at an all time high (check chart) oh it is..... who said anything about inflation?
When the dollar is adjusted for inflation the DJIA is not at an all time high. Quote:
Its kinda funny how when the stock market has hiccups “the sky is falling”
You didn't hear that from me Quote:
when its at an all time high “eh doesn’t mean shit” I don’t know if you do for sure but by far and large the majority of the population gauges the economy by how the market performs.
No, they don't. They gauge it on whether they have a job, how many hours they get, how much it pays and how much they can buy. Quote:
You know employment numbers are bullshit, actually you probably don’t because you took psych... but employment numbers don’t account for everybody.
The UNemployment numbers don't account for everybody since they don't count people who have given up looking for work. Total employment does. We have a record number of people not in the work force and a record number of part time employees.Quote:
And if its not at its best point now, when was it?
It sure as shit isn't now but since you suck DJIA cock, 1998 http://www.thereformedbroker.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chart.jpg
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Nice work with google finding out about unemployment. Dude there is no perfect measure, but the stock market is a pretty damn good measure of how well the economy is performing, you can’t argue that.
"No, they don't. They gauge it on whether they have a job" You made a classical conservative argument in a conservative thread 
Were not really even arguing anything at this point so i guess this is over.
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Kid, I live this shit. I just used google to find a specific cite for something I already knew.Quote:
Dude there is no perfect measure, but the stock market is a pretty damn good measure of how well the economy is performing, you can’t argue that.
Yes I can and have for decades. Quote:
"No, they don't. They gauge it on whether they have a job" You made a classical conservative argument in a conservative thread 
Nice edit.Quote:
Were not really even arguing anything at this point so i guess this is over.
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zappaisgod said: Why would you have faith in the younger generation? The members of my generation that have been teaching them for the last several decades are failures and cowards hiding behind a false notion of tenure. The younger generation seems to be completely wrapped up in what it wants to do and doesn't much grasp the idea that there are things you have to do to survive.
Every previous generation always says that about the new generations. People were saying that in the '30s and '40s about you, that you were good for nothing druggies who listened to Satan's music. Take a look at this quote that was said about young adults in the 1970's:
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"They are more interested in climbing Mt Everest than climbing the corporate ladder. They've never punched a time clock. They have no idea what it's like to actually be in an office at nine o'clock, with people handing them work."
I knew this was coming but I have stats to back me up. See above post in re Failure to Launch. The economy was worse in 1979 (year I graduated) than it is now and we didn't move back home to mommy in droves.
"The economy was worse in 1979 than it is now"
Not a chance in hell, 79 was a party compared to today.
Uhhh, no it wasn't. It was worse. Double digit inflation and 3.2% growth followed by negative growth in 1980
The key factor is "real" wages, which were substantially higher in 1979 than today.
The nice thing about the 70's was the wage growth, growing wages made servicing the debt (home mortgage) a very nice increase in the standard of living.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said: Nice work with google finding out about unemployment. Dude there is no perfect measure, but the stock market is a pretty damn good measure of how well the economy is performing, you can’t argue that.
"No, they don't. They gauge it on whether they have a job" You made a classical conservative argument in a conservative thread 
Were not really even arguing anything at this point so i guess this is over.
"the stock market is a pretty damn good measure of how well the economy is performing, you can't argue that."
I don't think you have any understanding of what makes a stock market move higher, especially the current one in the US.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: qman]
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The key factor is "real" wages, which were substantially higher in 1979 than today.
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The nice thing about the 70's was the wage growth, growing wages made servicing the debt (home mortgage) a very nice increase in the standard of living.
ORLY? By the way you might want to note that the year I mentioned was 1979. A generic appeal to the seventies is ludicrous since they were fucking over by then.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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The key factor is "real" wages, which were substantially higher in 1979 than today.
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The nice thing about the 70's was the wage growth, growing wages made servicing the debt (home mortgage) a very nice increase in the standard of living.
ORLY? By the way you might want to note that the year I mentioned was 1979. A generic appeal to the seventies is ludicrous since they were fucking over by then.
"No they weren't (real wages higher in 79 than today)"
Yet, you recently acknowledged that "real wages" have been stagnant for decades. Seems like it's very difficult to make an argument that real wages are higher today (vs 1979) yet real wages have been "stagnant for decades".
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
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It's easier to explain why social conservatives exist.
The social dynamics of the real world are complex and messy, but believing that a group of people (who are easily identified by their physical or cultural traits) are generally good or bad is a simplistic and psychologically satisfying way of looking at this world. It's probably wrong, but it's easier to think this way.
This may be why social conservatives (read bible-thumpers) and racists have lower IQ's. Look it up.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: sukhavati12]
#19286018 - 12/16/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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pro-life but don't want to feed you and want the death penalty believe in god but they don't like gay people or druggies they want to save the world but they don't spend any money doing it
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: qman]
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Zappa: what you work for the fucking bureau of labor or some shit now?
If you would argue that no wonder why you are a carpenter. What edit? No its pretty fucking sweet right now. Im a lot younger than you, posses a lot less capital than you, and yet i’m pretty fucking certain by the way you are posting that I’ve made more on stocks than you have 
Your fault you didn’t take advantage of the recession...... but ya I agree with you that stocks are overvalued at the current moment. It will drop off in the first quarter of next year IMO.
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"No, they don't. They gauge it on whether they have a job" You made a classical conservative argument in a conservative thread 
Were not really even arguing anything at this point so i guess this is over.
"the stock market is a pretty damn good measure of how well the economy is performing, you can't argue that."
I don't think you have any understanding of what makes a stock market move higher, especially the current one in the US.
Its the fucking illuminati brahhh
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: elax420]
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teh fookin socks have gon to shit
aRGGHGHHGHGHG
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: FunkyBuddha]
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Lack of empathy.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: Learyfan]
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Conservatives are very generous with their own money. Liberals just demand they they give it to them.
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Re: Why do conservatives exist? [Re: Learyfan]
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FunkyBuddha said: why do conservatives exist?
Lack of empathy.
So did you miss the multitude of studies that show conservatives are more charitable then liberals or do you just ignore them because they don't suit your world view?
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