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SpitballJedi
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Granted, i haven't done a lot of runs with WBS, but so far I'm finding simmering/boiling to be an unnecessary step.
If I seem to have issues with it later, I'll change. But until then....
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invitro


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I'm curious to know if anyone can report on relative contam rates based on soak length.
I ask because of RR's statement: Excessive soaking is counterproductive because I've observed endospores under the microscope germinating and then forming new endospores within an hour or two. Therefore if you soak too long, you end up with more endospores than you started with.
My question is, how big a deal is this increased endospore issue?
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invitro said: I'm curious to know if anyone can report on relative contam rates based on soak length.
I ask because of RR's statement: Excessive soaking is counterproductive because I've observed endospores under the microscope germinating and then forming new endospores within an hour or two. Therefore if you soak too long, you end up with more endospores than you started with.
My question is, how big a deal is this increased endospore issue?
during the summer if i soaked my wbs anything over 24 hours it would ferment and smell like vomit.
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FrankHorrigan
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SpitballJedi said: Granted, i haven't done a lot of runs with WBS, but so far I'm finding simmering/boiling to be an unnecessary step.
If I seem to have issues with it later, I'll change. But until then....
You'd quickly change your mind if you try it once.
I know you're fighting it, but truth is that wbs does not clump up that badly when there is no corn present. You'll also immediately notice the better moisture content.
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SpitballJedi said: Granted, i haven't done a lot of runs with WBS, but so far I'm finding simmering/boiling to be an unnecessary step.
If I seem to have issues with it later, I'll change. But until then....
You'd quickly change your mind if you try it once.
I know you're fighting it, but truth is that wbs does not clump up that badly when there is no corn present. You'll also immediately notice the better moisture content.
QFT.
youre not cooking the birdseed just getting the water hot enough so it steams/evaporates from the wbs surface i assure you after a soak and a quick boil then a pc you will have enough moisture content in your grains.
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FrankHorrigan
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No-heat rye is the same way. It works but it kinda sucks.
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FrankHorrigan said: No-heat rye is the same way. It works but it kinda sucks.

your sig creeps me out.
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JMcDoogle
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FrankHorrigan said: No-heat rye is the same way. It works but it kinda sucks.

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With rye and wheat berries a simmer is almost a must. You can get by with it using wbs but not with the berries
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Dude, I just took a close up look of your sig. And that shit is creepy!
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hbettag
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today, first pic container, second pick cake

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Fuck yeah, good luck
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hbettag
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Ok will post when I get home from work but have about Id guess between 40-50 from cake above, it still bothers the issue about my other cakes I mean they all went into fruiting conditions same time. I have this theory, I wonder since I did not case could my cake need to be scratched, either way I think with seeing pins on some means Im on the right track. Could it be that there just not all going to pin at the same time????
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JMcDoogle said: Simmering, no effect. None.. Nope.
Its essential. Period!
I have yet to simmer/boil one cup of bird seed, and have had no trouble. There are other cultivators who also do not simmer. I have not encountered a situation where I was concerned about water content etc. I even have used jars that were allowed to sit a month prior to inoculation....
...But where I do not simmer, I jar up slightly moist on the outside....We may just be skinning a cat a different way.
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hbettag
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I don't simmer simply because I've read with simmering it works great but only if you get it just right, which many are able to do. The no cook method I use is fail proof thats why I like it.
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FrankHorrigan
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JMcDoogle
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hbettag
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Ok as promised couple pic updates. Yes I know pics aint great, but heck these lil guys is tiny. Another thing one of the other projects I checked on today has mycelium that is like 1-3 inch strands everywhere coming up through surface new one on me any suggestions on it, just asking cause thought maybe Id put it into fruiting but didnt know.But anyway here's the update pics on that pinning bulk casing.

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