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twistedty
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JMcDoogle said: Simmering allows and aids deeper hydration of the grains, aswell as aiding in the drying of the grain.
Getting them very hot and introducing them to open air causes the grains to steam dry.
I open my bag, cracked corn and all..
I put it into my 30 qt PC, nearly to the top since I normally do 30 Quarts on my PC nights. Than I wrap window screen over the top of the pc and I fill and drain till the water runs clean. The last time I fill it I add gypsum, a tbl spn per 10 qts here, its all a matter of choice. Than I put a top on it, and put it in my lazy susan to SOAK for 18-22 Hours. You will smell the horriblness of germination of microbes upon opening the lid.
I do NOT rinse again, I take that water straight to the stovetop and since I fill the pc so full, I have to constantly stir to avoid the bottom burning / turning to mush.
Half hour of stiring ever few mins on medium heat and it begins to simmer, I allow that for like five mins, than collander out my grains into a large tupperware tote with even more window screen canopyd across it. I can do enough for 30 Quart Jars in one clean/soak/simmer/dry all with one pot and one " makeshift colanader "
It sits on the window screen and water runs off to the bottom, stirring every ten-fifteen minutes you'll see a massive amount of steam release off, and it will dry to the touch on its own.
The outside should be nearly completley dry, and the inside full of moisture.
Load into PC , 15 PSI at 90 Mins - Shake immediatley after taking out, allow them to lower in temperature * below 95'F * I feel is safe.
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perfect. i dont simmer though just once it hits boil i go straight to collander and stir to release steam/dry.
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SpitballJedi
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Walmart. $8.69 for 20 lbs.
I soak for 24 hours in weak coffee and hot tap water, drain for 2 hours, then load in jars. No simmering or boiling.
I just switched from rye to WBS and so far this seems to be working well.
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Apparently I haven't yet because after I shake them they are having problems recouping, but it's strange that both runs produced great mycellium, until shaken, then they aren't wanting to grow back! But I'm gonna keep on trying, ecspiacially after the very informative post Jmcdoogle left!
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twistedty
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Walmart. $8.69 for 20 lbs.
thats the good stuff
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FrankHorrigan
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cc1 said: Apparently I haven't yet because after I shake them they are having problems recouping, but it's strange that both runs produced great mycellium, until shaken, then they aren't wanting to grow back!
That's what bacteria does a lot of the time. Check your cultures and sterile procedures.
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Walmart. $8.69 for 20 lbs.
I keep a 35-gallon tote full of that stuff 
Though not simmering is lazy IMO. I get better colonization times and perfect moisture content by spending the tiny bit of time it takes to heat them to at least a steam.
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hbettag
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I had my last batch of WBS contam quite often, so I've stopped simmering all together, I rinse a hundred times, then soak in diluted coffee water14 hours then drain, then spreadout over newspaper. Is this not the best way?
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twistedty
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hbettag said: I had my last batch of WBS contam quite often, so I've stopped simmering all together, I rinse a hundred times, then soak in diluted coffee water14 hours then drain, then spreadout over newspaper. Is this not the best way?
why coffee water
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hbettag
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because I've read that cubes like nitrogen, so If I add coffee water to my WBS i'm able to give them lil nitro boost without screwing up the PH, or so I figure lol
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FrankHorrigan
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You are thinking of mushrooms like plants. They're quite diffferent.
Coffee is good for fungus the way it is good for people. RR has said that no one really understands why.
Interesting thing with coffee is that it does add nutrients but it also speeds up colonization times. Normally the opposite is the case, added nutes will slow colonization.
Coffee is mysterious
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hbettag
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I have no idea what the hell I'm doing, but see that for me is the fun, some say coffee some say no, I figure try both. What I do know is that when I played with Cams nothing could stop them bad boys, now these here white monsters or whatever courtesy of spores 101 they didnt really respond well to anything thus far, I will say I have seen better result with them having coffee water, compared to not, but then again im stoned so that may just be an illusion
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hbettag
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but take my advice I don't care what you read or by whom keep the grounds out of ANY bulk substrate, only issue I've had with trich has only been bulk poo based substrates that I tried using grounds in.
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I stopped doing the simmer because I was getting a lot of exploded grains. Instead I've been heating the water to a roaring boil, then adding the grains. They seem hydrated to the core when I chew them, even then I still get exploded grains but not too bad. From there I dry them out on screens. I have screens I didn't want to go out and buy a bunch of strainers. I've got the sunny weather to pull off the screen method which I know is impractical for many.
I would think as long as you can slice open the grain and see the hydration has been complete then your good.
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FrankHorrigan
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I think you guys think too much into something that isn't that complicated 
My checklist:
Grains soaked for 12-24 hours? Check. Heated to at least a steam before straining? Check. Grains look a little puffy? Check.
And the last test is the most important, checking to make sure the grains separate nice and easy after the PC cycle.
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This is only reishi, figured I would get some practice before I give the real deal a shot, here's a pic. Of one its getting old thought got caught up in work, I think they are still good one month old and they don't have a smell?
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Hey frank, have you ever grown Reishi? If so I am going to put these in wood fuel tablets, what should my ratio of spawn to substrate be, also someone told me all I have to do is pour warm water on the tablets and spawn to them, now I beleive them because I saw pics of ther grow, but I wanted your take on this,or how you do it, sorry to get off topic!
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FrankHorrigan said: I think you guys think too much into something that isn't that complicated 
My checklist:
Grains soaked for 12-24 hours? Check. Heated to at least a steam before straining? Check. Grains look a little puffy? Check.
And the last test is the most imporTetant, checking to make sure the grains separate nice and easy after the PC cycle.
Tell'em Pa
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I've heard that you can soak grains in as little as four hours. My last batch was 5 hours and the rye grains were hydrated on the inside and slightly puffy, not too many exploded grains and separated well after pressure cooking.
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hbettag
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You know funny that you mention it, I have wondered (being the noob i am), how much is too much with regard to time in pc, see I wanted to make sure i got it sterile been going about 15-17 psi for 2 plus hours but ive often wondered if this is not maybe overkill????
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invitro


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That's 5 hours of soaking, not pressure cooking. I also did a 2 hour run at 15 psi. I don't think that's too much but I don't know for sure. It seems like it wouldn't matter as long as the pc has water because the water that leaves the grains due to heat is going to be replaced by the water that's in the air of the pressure cooker if that makes any sense.
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FrankHorrigan
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invitro said: I've heard that you can soak grains in as little as four hours. My last batch was 5 hours and the rye grains were hydrated on the inside and slightly puffy, not too many exploded grains and separated well after pressure cooking.
I'm sure you can.
I just find it most convenient for me to rinse the grains and get them soaking at night. Whenever I get to it (morning or afternoon) it is ready
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