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    #19273469 - 12/14/13 04:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Can you get away with not shaking quart jars of grain, every time I do the mycellium doesn't grow back, I know it's cause my WBS are to dry, I know I can add water, but I am just wondering.


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Re: Grains [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #19273559 - 12/14/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If its too dry then not shaking it would make it even worse. Not shaking youre jars at 20% makes colonization times much longer.


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Re: Grains [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #19273565 - 12/14/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Are you using gypsum? Are you using bird seed with cracked corn?


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Re: Grains [Re: Enigma1]
    #19273572 - 12/14/13 06:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

To your first question no, but I should be because I have some to your second question yes, but I have heard since I bought the shit you don't want cracked corn correct?


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    #19273579 - 12/14/13 06:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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To your first question no, but I should be because I have some to your second question yes, but I have heard since I bought the shit you don't want cracked corn correct?



One more? Did you simmer your birdseed?


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    #19273584 - 12/14/13 06:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i have no problems with cracked corn in my WBS, that is actually the mix i like cracked corn, red and white millet.  if your grains are dry what are you not doing?


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    #19273589 - 12/14/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i have to problems with cracked corn in my WBS, that is actually the mix i like cracked corn, red and white millet.  if your grains are dry what are you not doing?



I only have problems when I simmer them.


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Re: Grains [Re: Enigma1]
    #19273622 - 12/14/13 07:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

how long are you simmering them?  i only simmer mine for 15 minutes at most.


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    #19273632 - 12/14/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Now I don't even simmer bring to a good boil  drain and dry.


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Re: Grains [Re: Enigma1]
    #19273635 - 12/14/13 07:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That is the exact mix I bought, here is a pic


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    #19273648 - 12/14/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Take a syringe sterilize it and suck out some of the air in the jar so you can smell it make sure it's not fermenting.


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    #19273672 - 12/14/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Now I don't even simmer bring to a good boil  drain and dry.



yeah i guess simmer is not what i do but bring to boil which takes about 15 minutes...


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Re: Grains [Re: blueconfusion]
    #19273697 - 12/14/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No, smells pretty much the same as when I pulled them out of PC I think maybe I overcooked, as this was my second time doing this and I kept fucking with the heat, I think I am going to be ok though, hopefully!


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    #19273702 - 12/14/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Whoops I didn't answer your question, the first time I did the second I did not, they both turned out pretty much the same, I personally think simmering is a waste of time as I got the same results w/o simmering!


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Re: Grains [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #19273742 - 12/14/13 08:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sure, I'll take your word over 2 PC's.. the folks who have done literally thousands
of PC runs should take some advice from you. Simmering, no effect. None.. Nope.

Its essential. Period!


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    #19273747 - 12/14/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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No, smells pretty much the same as when I pulled them out of PC I think maybe I overcooked, as this was my second time doing this and I kept fucking with the heat, I think I am going to be ok though, hopefully!



Second time great job not giving up.


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Re: Grains [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19273771 - 12/14/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I know I overstepped my boundaries there, sorry it just didn't seem to do much, but as you stated, that was only my second run , sorry bout that one! Do you guys think they will turn out ok?


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Re: Grains [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #19273802 - 12/14/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Simmering allows and aids deeper hydration of the grains,
aswell as aiding in the drying of the grain.

Getting them very hot and introducing them to open air
causes the grains to steam dry.

I open my bag, cracked corn and all..

I put it into my 30 qt PC, nearly to the top since I normally
do 30 Quarts on my PC nights. Than I wrap window screen over the top of the pc
and I fill and drain till the water runs clean. The last time I fill it I add
gypsum, a tbl spn per 10 qts here, its all a matter of choice. Than I put a top
on it, and put it in my lazy susan to SOAK for 18-22 Hours. You will smell
the horriblness of germination of microbes upon opening the lid.

I do NOT rinse again, I take that water straight to the stovetop and since I fill the
pc so full, I have to constantly stir to avoid the bottom burning / turning to mush.

Half hour of stiring ever few mins on medium heat and it begins to simmer, I allow
that for like five mins, than collander out my grains into a large tupperware tote
with even more window screen canopyd across it. I can do enough for 30 Quart Jars in one clean/soak/simmer/dry all with one pot and one " makeshift colanader "

It sits on the window screen and water runs off to the bottom, stirring every ten-fifteen minutes you'll see a massive amount of steam release off, and it will dry to the touch on its own.

The outside should be nearly completley dry, and the inside full of moisture.

Load into PC , 15 PSI at 90 Mins - Shake immediatley after taking out, allow them to lower in temperature * below 95'F * I feel is safe.

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Re: Grains [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19274036 - 12/14/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks man, I have been trying to send this to you for 2 fucking hours almost, cell phone was all fucked up!


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Re: Grains [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19274080 - 12/14/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Sure, I'll take your word over 2 PC's.. the folks who have done literally thousands
of PC runs should take some advice from you. Simmering, no effect. None.. Nope.

Its essential. Period!




my thoughts exactly, and my grains turn out pretty dry thats what you want really.  with no simmer or boil i dunno how youre penetrating the inner grain to reach proper moisture content IN the grain.


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