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Story about a Jnani
    #19273394 - 12/14/13 03:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There is a story about a Jnani who was sitting on the edge of the road, with his
eyes closed and his head on his knees, merged in the divine. A young boy walked up to
him and said, "Master, can I be your disciple? Can you teach me?" And the Jnani said "I
have no disciples and I give no teaching, but I will allow you to sit next to me for the day."
The young man sat down and observed.
All day long people from various beliefs, religions, came to the Jnani, asked him
questions, wanted boons, wanted healings, wanted different magical tricks to be performed.
A lady came to have her daughter married. She wanted the Jnanis blessing so she
could find a husband. Another one came to be prosperous in his work. And this went on
all day. The Jnani never opened his eyes, nor did he answer. He said absolutely nothing.
At about 4 o'clock, a beggar came over with a bundle on his shoulders. He was
disheveled, in rags. He went over to both of them and asked, "Can you please show me
the way to town?' and the Jnani opened his eyes, smiled, jumped up and said, "Certainly.
Follow me." He took him a quarter of the way, held his baggage for him, and pointed the
road to town, and went back and sat down.
The young fellow was beside himself. He asked the Jnani "I do
not understand Master what you did. All of these people came to you, lawyers, judges,
various people from different religions, asking you profound questions and you would
not answer them. But the beggar made you smile and open your eyes and you showed
him the way. Can you please explain this." The Jnani said, "The beggar is the only honest
man we had come today. He knew what he wanted, and he had his way."

What this means is, most people are hypocrites. They want teachings for their own
benefits. They're not thinking of the absolute. They're thinking of what the teaching can do
to them materially. They want to remove a problem, change their lifestyle, gain material
wealth, rid themselves of sickness, and so on.
Now these are all legitimate desires, but they have absolutely nothing to do with
self-realization. Self-realization is your true nature. It is what you are. It has absolutely
nothing to do with your body. It has nothing to do with your mind. It has nothing to do
with your affairs. For the one who is self-realized is not the body. The body can never
become self-realized. The mind can never know enlightenment.


From Robert Adams Collected Works

I think it's really good, the Jnani outlines how important it is to have a clear goal and be honest towards it.


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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: HeartAndMind]
    #19273464 - 12/14/13 04:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

At the end of the day we can't kid ourselves, which is the same as saying you can't trick the Universe, you can't lie to yourself, not forever anyway

Whatever it is, it all depends on how much you honestly want it

If you have a burning desire for reality then life will conspire to fullfill it and bring you the right book, the right person, the right thoughts... that will fan the flames until the fire burns up everything


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Edited by Chronic7 (12/14/13 04:57 AM)


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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: Chronic7]
    #19274132 - 12/14/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well said:thumbup:


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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: Chronic7]
    #19274157 - 12/14/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

The Chronic said:
At the end of the day we can't kid ourselves, which is the same as saying you can't trick the Universe, you can't lie to yourself, not forever anyway

Whatever it is, it all depends on how much you honestly want it

If you have a burning desire for reality then life will conspire to fullfill it and bring you the right book, the right person, the right thoughts... that will fan the flames until the fire burns up everything






How would anyone know what reality is?:confused:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: HeartAndMind] * 1
    #19274163 - 12/14/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

We all want whatever for our own benefit. There are no exceptions imo.

I like that story a lot btw.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: Icelander]
    #19274466 - 12/14/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
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The Chronic said:
At the end of the day we can't kid ourselves, which is the same as saying you can't trick the Universe, you can't lie to yourself, not forever anyway

Whatever it is, it all depends on how much you honestly want it

If you have a burning desire for reality then life will conspire to fullfill it and bring you the right book, the right person, the right thoughts... that will fan the flames until the fire burns up everything






How would anyone know what reality is?:confused:




its logical to take appearances to be reality & that's that, and its logical to see reality as timeless or lasting forever, so it's what we take it to be i suppose


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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: Chronic7] * 1
    #19274480 - 12/14/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

its logical to take appearances to be reality & that's that,

Maybe on your watch but not mine.  Appearances have proven themselves to be deceptive at times. :wink:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: HeartAndMind]
    #19276358 - 12/14/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

cool story but i do believe there is such thing as an enlightened mind, and that is a mind which has been merged in the self. Same with body too. But it's true that self realization has to do precisely with that which is not defined by those two objects.


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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: g00ru]
    #19277651 - 12/15/13 03:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
We all want whatever for our own benefit. There are no exceptions imo.





Yeah, I agree. But there's difference to want for 'myself' as object ie body and for myself as awareness (I think so, would love to know if it is not so.)

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cool story but i do believe there is such thing as an enlightened mind, and that is a mind which has been merged in the self. Same with body too. But it's true that self realization has to do precisely with that which is not defined by those two objects.




Yeah that's true imo too. The mind can be called enlightened when there's absence of mind:smile:


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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: HeartAndMind]
    #19277825 - 12/15/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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HeartAndMind said:
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Icelander said:
We all want whatever for our own benefit. There are no exceptions imo.





Yeah, I agree. But there's difference to want for 'myself' as object ie body and for myself as awareness (I think so, would love to know if it is not so.)





I think Icelander is right that pretty much all 'want' is for ourself, and that self is one, so its all totally selfish! whether all desires are for our 'benefit' is debatable, i think it's obvious not all desires are healthy, and even if you want reality or truth or bliss or awareness or to help someone else, it's mostly to satisfy yours or their desire, that's not to say you can't have noble desires, like you say there are different desires, most desires lead you into seeking more & more things, into perpetuating your dreams, whereas the desire to wake up leads you to seeking reality, even if that desire & search is ultimately still part of the dream it's necessary for most aspirants


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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: Chronic7]
    #19277976 - 12/15/13 07:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Indeed

I do not think desire is necessarily such a bad thing in itself.
Question is where does the desire lead and how do we react to it?

Yes it is selfish, but for which "self" are we being selfish?  Is it our ego, our body, our mind? or is it our spirit?
I think we all have to learn to be "selfish" in the right way.  How can we try to help someone else when we don't even know whats good for us and can't help ourselves?

As far as having absolutely no desire goes....I'm not sure if that is possible in an earthly vessel.  The body will always desire things, the mind will always desire things......but we don't have to cling to those desires
I've tried getting rid of desire before, and what I've found is that I would only tell myself that I don't want things, the desire would still be there, I'd just be lying to myself and causing myself much frustration in the process.

I think the way to start on working with desire is this:  First we should figure out whether we REALLY want something.  I've found that many times I only think that I want something, and then I feel an intense desire.  Afterwards when I would get whatever it was that I "desired" I'd realize that it wasn't really all I made it out to be in my mind, so this "desire" was really an illusion.

An important lesson that I think desire has to teach us is purity of intention.  Focusing on one thing and applying all of our energy towards this one thing - then we come to understand the true extent of our potential.  But we can't understand this if we always half-ass things and tell ourselves: "Oh I want this and this and this too, so I'm not going to spend all my energy and effort in trying to get to this ONE thing".  Then when we fail we're like: "Meh, I wasn't even trying that hard"


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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: Chronic7]
    #19277987 - 12/15/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you for clarifying! :smile:


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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: HeartAndMind]
    #19465001 - 01/23/14 09:43 PM (10 years, 7 days ago)

ultimately, my insight about this story is, it really doesn't have much of a message. I mean, theres a slight point, but none of it is really that relevant. The state of this board seems to be a lot like The Ramayana.


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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: HeartAndMind]
    #19467781 - 01/24/14 01:48 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

whether we are conscious of it or not, or labeling it or not, it seems we will perpetually move in a direction that we are inclined.


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: Sse]
    #19467790 - 01/24/14 01:50 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

especially if you follow your heart and know yourself, life will always bring you where you need to be. you will bring yourself where you need to be, simply because you can tell what's original to you and what is (seemingly) exterior.


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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: g00ru]
    #19467832 - 01/24/14 01:59 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Follow the glimmer :mushroom2:

original to me, nothing :laugh:

and something :um:

which is nothing and something

:yinyang2:

"nothing is as it appears, nor is it otherwise"

"nothing is a big deal, it's whatever it is, and then it's something else"

it's amazing relatively how many different angles can be viewed :sun:

 


Edited by Sse (01/24/14 02:25 PM)


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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: HeartAndMind]
    #19467934 - 01/24/14 02:22 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

interesting story :thumbup:

not this body, not my brain, not my thoughts :-)

no unnecessary wantings if not too stressed
got everything I need at all times

happiness is within from being oneself and appreciating what one has


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Re: Story about a Jnani [Re: Sse]
    #19468650 - 01/24/14 05:25 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

The Diamond Sutra says,
"Wherever there is a sign, there is deception, illusion."
Perceptions often tell us as much about the perceiver as the object of perception. Appearances can deceive."

"Signs are instruments for our use, but they are not absolute truth, and they can mislead us."

"Signlessness is necessary for us to free ourselves. Until we can break through the signs, we cannot touch reality."
As long as we are caught by signs we will suffer.
Nothing can be described in terms of just one sign. But without signs, we feel anxious.
Our fear and attachment come from our being caught in signs. 
When we free ourselves from signs, we can enter the heart of reality. But until we can see the ocean in the sky, we are still caught by signs."

"the greatest relief is when we break through the barriers of sign and touch the world of signlessness, nirvana. Where should we look to find the world of no signs? right here in the world of signs. If we throw away the water, there is no way for us to touch the suchness of water. We touch the water when we break through the signs of water and see its true nature of interbeing.

"let us look at a wave on the surface of the ocean. A wave is a wave. It has a beginning and an end. It might be high or low, more or less beautiful than other waves. But a wave is, at the same time, water. Water is the ground of being of the wave. It is important that a wave knows that she is water, and not just a wave. We, too, live our life as an individual. We believe that we have a beginning and an end, that we are separate from other living beings. That is why the Buddha advised us to look more deeply in order to touch the ground of our being, which is nirvana."

"Everything bears deeply the nature of nirvana. Everything has been "nirvanized." That is the teaching of the Lotus Sutra. We look deeply, and we touch the suchness of reality. Looking deeply into a pebble, flower, or our own joy, peace, sorrow, or fear, we touch the ultimate dimension of our being, and that dimension will reveal to us that the ground of our being has the nature of no-birth and no-death."

"We don't have to attain nirvana, because we ourselves are always dwelling in nirvana. The wave does not have to look for water. It already is water. We are one with the ground of our being. Once the wave realizes that she is water, all her fear vanishes. Once we touch the ground of our being, once we touch God or nirvana, we also receive the gift of non-fear."
-Thich Nhat Hanh


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


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