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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19273480 - 12/14/13 05:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Projectile vomiting does not sound fun though, if I were to do mescaline or dmt I would do it in purest form I could produce.

I was looking into RC's because they are already in their pure form, it is just that most of them seem like a bad decision.


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19273583 - 12/14/13 06:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Eat a decent dose of good L (real LSD, tested)

and you'll laugh at this thread. :nicesmile:



Be sure you know what you're getting into (prepare yourself as best you can, work up towards the right dose, don't just delve into it, toes in the water, a little deeper each time)

You'll experience something more profound, visually and psychologically, than you ever thought possible

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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19273592 - 12/14/13 06:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe get more potent cubes man. :shrug:  I know that 6 grams equadorian usually has people growing extra fingers and eyes through all the fractal laden goodness.


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19273623 - 12/14/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've never grown an extra finger.


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19273624 - 12/14/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

However, I have seven eyes, now. :insano:


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19273812 - 12/14/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was expecting more visuals my first trip but after it's over I don 't care that I had a minimal amount. The sun was enough to keep me entertained for a few hours :P


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #19273894 - 12/14/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Add some nitrous oxide to a trip - should launch you into space. 

:nitrous:


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19273941 - 12/14/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Because you have the attitude of just wanting to see some cool shit, but not wanting the mental aspect of it. There is a lot more to mushrooms than hallucinations

And also because you do not have a very respectful attitude toward mushrooms




Agreed. :underage:


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19274562 - 12/14/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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MUSH HEAD420 said:
Projectile vomiting does not sound fun though, if I were to do mescaline or dmt I would do it in purest form I could produce.

I was looking into RC's because they are already in their pure form, it is just that most of them seem like a bad decision.





Look into 2C-B.  Very visual trip and is one of the better known research chemicals, so it's easy to find information on safety and effects.  (not even sure it's still considered an RC?)


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: Gorlami]
    #19274574 - 12/14/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I found mushrooms to be underwhelming at first, I'd dosed up to over six grams... Then I took LSD for the first time and I was blown away.

Be sure you know what you're getting into (prepare yourself as best you can, work up towards the right dose, don't just delve into it, toes in the water, a little deeper each time)

You'll experience something more profound, visually and psychologically, than you ever thought possible






I totally disagree. I have been taking LSD for almost 20 years now and IME mushroom trips can be just as profound and intense as LSD if not more so.


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: quantumFroth]
    #19274766 - 12/14/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Add some nitrous oxide to a trip - should launch you into space. 

:nitrous:



^this x 100.  Loves me some giggle gas.


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19274798 - 12/14/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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TheGreenArrow said:
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quantumFroth said:
Add some nitrous oxide to a trip - should launch you into space. 

:nitrous:



^this x 100.  Loves me some giggle gas.






I will second that, but make sure you get the bottle because if you are really fucking high it is kind of hard to operate those cracker/balloon combo things . . . I think we also just had a shitty cracker maybe . . .


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19282539 - 12/16/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have never actually got much out of the MDMA we've supposedly gotten but I have done lsa a couple times, one real strong trip, and it felt like to me what I THINK mdma+lsd would feel like... I have never done LSD either though so it's purely what I think it would be like. I also expect more on the visual side from shrooms but was happy with what I did get visually accompanied by a grew mind trip, so it surprised me when my lsa trip was VERY visual to me. Don't remember any real cev's, but it was heavy on distortions, colors, symmetry, and just straight up seeing thoughts.


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19283013 - 12/16/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I found mushrooms to be underwhelming at first, I'd dosed up to over six grams... Then I took LSD for the first time and I was blown away.

Be sure you know what you're getting into (prepare yourself as best you can, work up towards the right dose, don't just delve into it, toes in the water, a little deeper each time)

You'll experience something more profound, visually and psychologically, than you ever thought possible






I totally disagree. I have been taking LSD for almost 20 years now and IME mushroom trips can be just as profound and intense as LSD if not more so.




For me mushrooms trips are way more intense spiritually, but LSD has way more intense visuals while the headspace feels practically sober.  Also, mushrooms have very strong CEVs, but less so OEVs whereas acid is the exact opposite.   

OP, maybe mushrooms aren't the right drug for you, or maybe you're using them incorrectly.  If you just want to see some shit take some genuine LSD, but honestly I think a lot of trip reports are full of shit and you may be having unrealistic expectations of the psychedelic experience based on reading bullshit.  Full blown open eyed hallucinations of other beings, people turning into lizards etc. rather than tessellations/fractals/sacred geometry and visual distortions are actually very rare and generally only happen on heroic doses. 

If you want to give mushrooms a real shot, follow the tea tek in my sig with about 5g mushroom, then lie in bed with the lights down low, listening to some good music with your eyes closed and meditating, if you don't get to an amazing place with some good CEVs, astral projections and visitations with you eyes closed, then your brain just doesn't process psilocybin the right way or you are a major fatass and need twice the dose of a regular human being.  Good luck.


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19283070 - 12/16/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I found mushrooms to be underwhelming at first, I'd dosed up to over six grams... Then I took LSD for the first time and I was blown away.

Be sure you know what you're getting into (prepare yourself as best you can, work up towards the right dose, don't just delve into it, toes in the water, a little deeper each time)

You'll experience something more profound, visually and psychologically, than you ever thought possible






I totally disagree. I have been taking LSD for almost 20 years now and IME mushroom trips can be just as profound and intense as LSD if not more so.




For me mushrooms trips are way more intense spiritually, but LSD has way more intense visuals while the headspace feels practically sober.  Also, mushrooms have very strong CEVs, but less so OEVs whereas acid is the exact opposite.   

OP, maybe mushrooms aren't the right drug for you, or maybe you're using them incorrectly.  If you just want to see some shit take some genuine LSD, but honestly I think a lot of trip reports are full of shit and you may be having unrealistic expectations of the psychedelic experience based on reading bullshit.  Full blown open eyed hallucinations of other beings, people turning into lizards etc. rather than tessellations/fractals/sacred geometry and visual distortions are actually very rare and generally only happen on heroic doses. 

If you want to give mushrooms a real shot, follow the tea tek in my sig with about 5g mushroom, then lie in bed with the lights down low, listening to some good music with your eyes closed and meditating, if you don't get to an amazing place with some good CEVs, astral projections and visitations with you eyes closed, then your brain just doesn't process psilocybin the right way or you are a major fatass and need twice the dose of a regular human being.  Good luck.



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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #19283804 - 12/16/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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but LSD has way more intense visuals while the headspace feels practically sober.  Also, mushrooms have very strong CEVs, but less so OEVs whereas acid is the exact opposite. 





I do not find this to be true at all. If I get to the point of intense visuals on LSD, my headspace does not feel anything close to sober.  I actually find that really hard to comprehend as I have been taking acid a long time and I have never ever had a trip where I felt sober. Even with low visuals my thoughts and perception about myself and the universe are completely altered and distorted.

I also find that on high doses of mushrooms it can be just as visual as LSD

  . . . but hey, everyone is different


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19283909 - 12/16/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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but LSD has way more intense visuals while the headspace feels practically sober.  Also, mushrooms have very strong CEVs, but less so OEVs whereas acid is the exact opposite. 





I do not find this to be true at all. If I get to the point of intense visuals on LSD, my headspace does not feel anything close to sober.  I actually find that really hard to comprehend as I have been taking acid a long time and I have never ever had a trip where I felt sober. Even with low visuals my thoughts and perception about myself and the universe are completely altered and distorted.

I also find that on high doses of mushrooms it can be just as visual as LSD

  . . . but hey, everyone is different




Drugs effect everybody differently, but if you look at the equivalent level of open eyed visuals on LSD vs. mushrooms, the corresponding levels of mindfuck and closed eyed visuals at that same level are vastly larger on mushrooms IME.  L just doesn't have the same weird mindspace for me, has very little in the way of CEVs and the OEVs kick in way stronger at much lower doses. 

Obviously you're not entirely sober/rational on a high dose of L and I do get some spiritual moments and odd thought patterns, but I'm far more coordinated, capable of fine-motor skills and problem solving on cid than shrooms.  For instance, simply finding the right CD, logging into the shroomery or putting a robe on can be nearly impossibly baffling on a medium dose of shrooms, whereas I am extremely functional and can do all of those things on acid.  YMMV. 

So sure, an epic dose of mushrooms will give you awesome visuals, but at that level I'm going to be nearly retarded in terms of motor control and will be having extremely disrupted thought patterns, whereas I could drop one tab of good cid and get just as good of visuals without all the mindfuck.  And don't think I'm disparaging mushrooms, I actually prefer to trip on psilocybin, it's just that the experience is less focused on pyrotechnic visuals and more of a holistic, spiritual journey.
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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19284120 - 12/16/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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L just doesn't have the same weird mindspace for me, has very little in the way of CEVs and the OEVs kick in way stronger at much lower doses.





I agree L does not have the same mindspace as mushrooms, but still very intense, and I also get good cev's with LSD. ANd I actually get more OEV's with mushrooms than with L.


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bviously you're not entirely sober/rational on a high dose of L and I do get some spiritual moments and odd thought patterns, but I'm far more coordinated, capable of fine-motor skills and problem solving on cid than shrooms.  For instance, simply finding the right CD, logging into the shroomery or putting a robe on can be nearly impossibly baffling on a medium dose of shrooms





If I take a nice strong dose of L I can barely work my computer or phone or anything at all, definitely not functional. I feel it is possible that you are not taking high enough doses of LSD.  I was getting the stuff pickard was making in the 90's and back then the doses were STRONG AS FUCK. On a high dose of L I cannot even talk right. That shit would have me completely fractalized



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whereas I could drop one tab of good cid and get just as good of visuals without all the mindfuck.




Sounds like descriptions of some nmobes, however I am not saying that is what you had of course. IME with LSD, the state of altered consciousness comes way before any visuals appear.

LSD obviously can produce weird mental thoughts because there is evidence of people having bad trips since the beginning of LSD. That would not happen if your thoughts were not altered.



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Drugs effect everybody differently, but if you look at the equivalent level of open eyed visuals on LSD vs. mushrooms, the corresponding levels of mindfuck and closed eyed visuals at that same level are vastly larger on mushrooms IME.




You say drugs affect everyone differently, "but" if you look at these factors than this is the way it is. However there is not "but", drugs, psychedelics especially, affect people in a myriad of different ways. It is that simple. My experience has been different than yours, as have a lot of people I have tripped with over the years. Some people like mushrooms better, some people like LSD better.

I like them both equally for different reasons. My overall opinion is that they can both be just as powerful, visually and mentally, as the other given you take the right dose and are in the right set/setting


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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19284882 - 12/16/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If I take a nice strong dose of L I can barely work my computer or phone or anything at all, definitely not functional. I feel it is possible that you are not taking high enough doses of LSD.  I was getting the stuff pickard was making in the 90's and back then the doses were STRONG AS FUCK. On a high dose of L I cannot even talk right. That shit would have me completely fractalized

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whereas I could drop one tab of good cid and get just as good of visuals without all the mindfuck.




Sounds like descriptions of some nmobes, however I am not saying that is what you had of course. IME with LSD, the state of altered consciousness comes way before any visuals appear.





Again, my point is that I don't generally take strong doses of acid, I'm sure high doses would completely incapacitate me too, but that isn't what I aim for when tripping.  One tab of some of the better stuff on today's market and I get more visuals than I do off an eighth of cubensis and those visuals come without the mindfuck and CEVs I would have at that dose of mushrooms.  Acid definitely has a mindspace of its own but I would describe it as being fairly lucid or perhaps dreamlike, but at the doses I take it is certainly nothing I would call "mindfuck."  But perhaps we are arguing semantics. 

As to nbomes, I've never bothered to try any so I can't compare, but I can say that the acid I get comes from psychedelic connoisseurs who have tried a wide variety of RCs and whom I trust confidently to know the difference, and that all the cid I have eaten is tasteless, without bodyload, kicks in at 60 minutes like clockwork and lasts 10-12 hours.  If there's an RC that fits that description then I guess I've been had.  :rolleyes:

I will say that my threshold for visuals on psychedelics is pretty low and I can get by with significantly lower dosages than most people take and have a much more intense experience, when I used to trip on mushrooms in groups a lot everybody else would be giggly and silly at level 2 while I'd be tripping balls at level 4 off the same dose, so you may have vastly different experiences with these drugs as my own tend to be idiosyncratic, or perhaps you're just taking much higher doses than I would ever desire to.  I also have idiosyncratic effects from anesthesia where I don't go under properly and then get emergence delirium, and as a result I can combine dosages of benzos or opiates with alcohol at levels that would kill most people.  All in all I have a pretty odd brain chemistry, so I don't ever assume my experiences translate to other people, I'm just sharing my own experiences.  YMMV. 
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Re: Why no visuals? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19284910 - 12/16/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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is Nbome any lower than molly? Why would you suggest that I drop the shrooms for it?





Because you have the attitude of just wanting to see some cool shit, but not wanting the mental aspect of it. There is a lot more to mushrooms than hallucinations

And also because you do not have a very respectful attitude toward mushrooms





what are you even saying? nbomes had a huuuuge mental portion for me. i took 25c and it blew my mind, i watched a tree turn into a polygon, and it was a very moving and spiritual trip.

sounds like you are trying to objectify a subjective aspect of hallucinogenic substances :thumbdown:

your attitude to the op comes off as very pretentious


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