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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: Crystal G] 1
#19272846 - 12/13/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The whole concept of race is an arbitrary construct based of physical features. It is also a classification system that very little legitimate use in modern sodiety.
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: Crystal G]
#19272890 - 12/13/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I say black too, but any time someone starts to act like racial groups are well defined I think they aren't really seeing the big picture. I don't think anyone other than political serving statisticians really talk about race that way anymore.
The problem comes in defining a race, everybody has their own way of doing that. You could say we are all one race, or each an individual race, neither is wrong, as long as you take the time to define your terms.
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: moonrockmushy]
#19272937 - 12/13/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: The whole concept of race is an arbitrary construct based of physical features. It is also a classification system that very little legitimate use in modern sodiety.
I agree with that. Nationality is a better way of classification than race. Race is too arbitrary, not to mention a very primitive way of categorizing people, and fails to differentiate between the differences that nationalities do. I don't think that Afghanistans should be in the same category as Vietnamese, for example.
And even within nationalities, there is still arguably a lot of differences. People from Sioux Falls are nothing at all like people from San Francisco. People from Liverpool are nothing like people from Manchester. People from Pusan are nothing like people from Seoul. Etc.
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moonrockmushy said: Yeah I say black too, but any time someone starts to act like racial groups are well defined I think they aren't really seeing the big picture. I don't think anyone other than political serving statisticians really talk about race that way anymore.
Nowhere did I argue in protest for the classification of race or claim that race as a measure of definition is "well-defined." The only reason I even mentioned race was because somebody had asked "who" is the largest population of Muslims. Which is blacks.
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: Crystal G]
#19272954 - 12/13/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm just saying that when I hear a statistic like that I wish they would also say how they define black. It may seem harmless but statistics generally suck and never tell the whole truth.
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: Crystal G] 2
#19272959 - 12/13/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find it fascinating how nearly every word that has been used to define a particular race has been deprecated and deemed innapropriate or "politically incorrect" — except white. White has been white for centuries. All the words that "Asian" or "black" have replaced are now considered racist.
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: morrowasted]
#19272979 - 12/13/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: don't try arguing with elax, he's a big time lover of semantics.
semantics r fun. as long as u r arguing about tha right kind of semantics
yeah, not tha stoopid kind though!1
Canadians ramble more then Americans, FACT; for most of us.
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: akira_akuma]
#19272984 - 12/13/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yer floppy headed moufs have to keep moving so they don't freeze up.
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: koods]
#19272990 - 12/13/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Races are racist, they are. Racism is the brainchild of the politically correct, only politics could twist words so much and still insist they mean something. The words are strong, they are weak, they are bad, they are good.
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: koods]
#19272992 - 12/13/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ya, pissin wind all day makes for an instance to try and keep jabberin to stay warm.
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: Crystal G]
#19273001 - 12/13/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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And btw I do have a degree in political studies, I also took black studies and middle east history. You are completely out of your league arguing with me.
It doesn't surprise me you've never heard of it, you're probably a typical american whose never left his country
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Formal education

Pure gold. The only reason why i even called out was because you are trying to act like an authority on the matter but lack even the most basic understanding of the middle east.
I’m actually more traveled than most, and I am currently in business school, but think what you will 
Im not going to rip on your degree, but people with liberal arts degrees probably shouldn’t try and talk shit about education.......
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: akira_akuma]
#19273005 - 12/13/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are so many better ways to divide people up into us and them. I don't need arbitrary labels to tell me who to hate.
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: elax420]
#19273040 - 12/13/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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elax420 said: Pure gold. The only reason why i even called out was because you are trying to act like an authority on the matter but lack even the most basic understanding of the middle east.
The reason that you think I lack basic understanding of the middle east is because you keep creating strawmans and accusing me of shit I NEVER SAID. Like when you claimed I said that Egyptians are Asian, WHEN I NEVER ONCE MENTIONED EGYPT IN THIS ENTIRE THREAD.
As far as what "Asians" are called, I provided sourced evidence along with anecdotal evidence. All you provided was anecdotal evidence, which wasn't even concrete (your English friend never stated that Asians aren't referred as South Asians, he simply refers to Pakistanis as Paki's which doesn't mean anything). Obviously logic dictates that the person with more concrete evidence is correct.
Now see, if you were a poli sci major, you would have known to fact-check before making your posts, and learned to read statements accurately before accusing people of saying things they never said, before basing your entire arguments around nonexistent statements.
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Im not going to rip on your degree, but people with liberal arts degrees probably shouldn’t try and talk shit about education.......
You're ripping on a political science degree (which covers international politics, pre-law, and political theory) yet you are in business school which is also a liberal arts degree, and any monkey with the IQ equivalency of George "Dubya" Bush can get an MBA (he did get an MBA, by the way). Regardless, a poli sci degree is still harder, because at least in political theory you are required to write extensively about various topics, and won't get good grades if you are shitty at prose, shitty at debate, shitty at linguistics, or shitty at logic, OR SHITTY AT FACT-CHECKING.
Do you seriously believe that somebody with a BS in chemistry or neuroscience is going to have more knowledge on foreign policy and international affairs? Because that is essentially what you are saying... IN CASE YOU FORGOT WHAT THIS ARGUMENT IS ABOUT. Obviously, somebody with expertise in history or politics is going to have the most knowledge pertinent to this thread. You cannot possibly be THAT retarded and unaware to think that a science degree is going to be more relevant when discussing black history or the Middle East, right?
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: elax420]
#19273087 - 12/14/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No need to bash someone else's studies. Art is one way of exploring the idea of race, science is another. I'd say both have excelled way past pop culture and politics in terms of understanding ourselves and eachother, but I guess that has always been the case.
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: Crystal G]
#19273097 - 12/14/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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actually yes he can. lets not berate him for it. let him think he's right. it's like he's gonna go ape shit and be doing any damage or anything.
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: Crystal G]
#19273100 - 12/14/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You quoted a guy talking about Egyptians and then you brought up that Arabs are technically Asian. Which they may be but its a misnomer because they share little to nothing in common. Since when is Business Lib Arts? Maybe economics...... But those guys kinda do their own thing and don’t associate with people in the other departments.
I fail to see the value of pursuing a liberal arts degree but hey, thats like just my opinion, man

Dude akira what the hell is your problem?
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: moonrockmushy]
#19273102 - 12/14/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: No need to bash someone else's studies. Art is one way of exploring the idea of race, science is another. I'd say both have excelled way past pop culture and politics in terms of understanding ourselves and eachother, but I guess that has always been the case. 
I just find it hilarious that he's ripping on "liberal arts" studies, when some of those liberal arts studies would actually be THE experts to go to when you're talking about geography, history, race, or politics.
Obviously, if I want to ask a question about the Middle East, I am going to go to the expert in foreign policy and international politics. If I want to ask a question about black studies, I am going to contact a black history professor. Why on earth would you ask the opinion of a biochemist or a physicist about the topics that we are debating about? Clearly not very much logic is required to go to business school.
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: moonrockmushy]
#19273108 - 12/14/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quality thread Patlal I think its the Asians determination and hard work that gets them smart. Us whites are to busy living life and enjoying it, while they are studying and held to super high standards. Like you said, IQ wise I think were similar. Them Asians are hard workers, like the Mexicans but smarter
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: elax420]
#19273112 - 12/14/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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elax420 said: You quoted a guy talking about Egyptians and then you brought up that Arabs are technically Asian. Which they may be but its a misnomer because they share little to nothing in common. Since when is Business Lib Arts? Maybe economics...... But those guys kinda do their own thing and don’t associate with people in the other departments.
I fail to see the value of pursuing a liberal arts degree but hey, thats like just my opinion, man

Dude akira what the hell is your problem?
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: elax420]
#19273127 - 12/14/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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elax420 said: You quoted a guy talking about Egyptians and then you brought up that Arabs are technically Asian. Which they may be but its a misnomer because they share little to nothing in common.
Jesus fuck dude, did you not see who that guy was responding to? My post was quoting a guy who was responding to the guy who said this: "Also, its funny how nobody mentioned the arab/turkish world in regard to mathematics."
HENCE, I SAID, that Arabs are technically Asian. Algebra was actually created in ancient Babylon/Mesopotamian region which today we know as Iraq/Iran region, WHICH IS ASIA.
Therefore, his post aligns with the stereotypical Asian trope.
What he SHOULD have said, was that during the Renaissance, ancient Greece and Rome excelled at mathematics and physics, which is bizarre, because today's modern Italians are nothing like that.
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Since when is Business Lib Arts? Maybe economics...... But those guys kinda do their own thing and don’t associate with people in the other departments.
Business is considered liberal arts at many universities. Even economics is still considered liberal arts. Even biology and botany is considered "liberal arts" along with "science." What the fuck else would business be aside from liberal arts? Clearly it's not a bachelors of science degree. It might be considered "bachelors of arts" degree instead of "liberal arts." But a business degree is no more useful than any other liberal arts degree. You will see that once you enter the real world. I've known plenty of people with MBA's who couldn't find work for three years.
Most business don't care that you have a degree in business, because no shit, business is fucking easy to learn and train to anybody.
I laugh and pity you that you think that your degree is any more useful than black history.
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Re: Why are Asians some good at math? Why are they hard workers? Why are they so crowded? Here's why: [Re: Crystal G]
#19273133 - 12/14/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: No need to bash someone else's studies. Art is one way of exploring the idea of race, science is another. I'd say both have excelled way past pop culture and politics in terms of understanding ourselves and eachother, but I guess that has always been the case. 
I just find it hilarious that he's ripping on "liberal arts" studies, when some of those liberal arts studies would actually be THE experts to go to when you're talking about geography, history, race, or politics.
Obviously, if I want to ask a question about the Middle East, I am going to go to the expert in foreign policy and international politics. If I want to ask a question about black studies, I am going to contact a black history professor. Why on earth would you ask the opinion of a biochemist or a physicist about the topics that we are debating about? Clearly not very much logic is required to go to business school.
I guess the guys that got poly sci degrees to pad their grades and make it easier to go to Law school then got into politics would be pretty good to go to. The other option? Oh Multinational corporations, funny how that one works.......
Oh ya Black history is totally as useful as Accounting or Finance, which i guess is lib arts now in whatever fucking world you live in 
simple google search: wow 4 of the 6 are in the business school with the other one being highly related to business. http://education.yahoo.net/articles/degrees_employers_want_3.htm
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