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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19264682 - 12/12/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If history repeats itself then there will be ethnic cleansing, pray for that singularity.




Yeah, let's hope it's us white people getting washed away this time, eh?  That would be fun.






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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19268764 - 12/12/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My existence is in direct opposition to every argument you've made in this thread Sneezing.  I'm no hypnotized multiculturalist.  I know stereotypes exist for a reason.  I try to judge every group on it's real merits.

I also put my money where my mouth is.  I, a liberal white dude, graduated from an all black high school in Mobile, AL, one of the most segregated cities left in the country. For two years I went to classes, pep rallies and dances with only like 12 non-black students in the entire high school.

I found them to be agreeable, funny, warm people.  These were not assimilated proper black people either.  They flipped out over fried chicken, like embarrassingly.  They were comically afraid of ghosts, and weren't afraid to get raunchy while dancing. But there were all types of people just like in any population. Even if some of them had one or two stereotypical traits they were all unique individuals.  There were all levels of every talent or intelligence you could imagine.

Without going to school with them, my contact with white people was kind of limited.  The ones I did meet though were invariably ignorant, hateful, and dismissive of black people but I could never figure out a good reason why.  The few neutral ones at my school that hadn't yet joined the white flight kept to their own little clique of mostly upperclassmen, a dying breed.

I have also lived in heavily Mexican areas in Texas and California, and heavily East Asian places in California, and I much prefer African Americans.  They are like a unique American treasure of a culture.  As others have said you can't judge a culture by it's worst members.  There are some really vile, ignorant, chaotic white people out there.  Have you ever seen Gummo?



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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Mr Person]
    #19269049 - 12/13/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The ones I did meet though were invariably ignorant, hateful, and dismissive of black people but I could never figure out a good reason why.

Fear of the unknown most likely.  I grew up in a half black school.  Most of the blacks hated me because I was white but not all and some of the girls wanted to fuck me. I would have if it wouldn't have cost me my life. :lol:


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
    #19269156 - 12/13/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well ah, whites have been getting washed for quite some time, someone is having fun. It's so cool for whites to be beaten down. Yay.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19269485 - 12/13/13 06:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well ah, whites have been getting washed for quite some time





haha.  You think?


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19269795 - 12/13/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know what that link is stating. I been in the south tons of times and have found nothing but nice people. I am not black but I have been in the deep south with my black friends and other then a random asshole here and there (which is not just in the south)everyone seem to not give a fuck. I prefer the south more to the east coast


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Mr Person]
    #19269889 - 12/13/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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My existence is in direct opposition to every argument you've made in this thread Sneezing.  I'm no hypnotized multiculturalist.  I know stereotypes exist for a reason.  I try to judge every group on it's real merits.

I also put my money where my mouth is.  I, a liberal white dude, graduated from an all black high school in Mobile, AL, one of the most segregated cities left in the country. For two years I went to classes, pep rallies and dances with only like 12 non-black students in the entire high school.

I found them to be agreeable, funny, warm people.  These were not assimilated proper black people either.  They flipped out over fried chicken, like embarrassingly.  They were comically afraid of ghosts, and weren't afraid to get raunchy while dancing. But there were all types of people just like in any population. Even if some of them had one or two stereotypical traits they were all unique individuals.  There were all levels of every talent or intelligence you could imagine.

Without going to school with them, my contact with white people was kind of limited.  The ones I did meet though were invariably ignorant, hateful, and dismissive of black people but I could never figure out a good reason why.  The few neutral ones at my school that hadn't yet joined the white flight kept to their own little clique of mostly upperclassmen, a dying breed.

I have also lived in heavily Mexican areas in Texas and California, and heavily East Asian places in California, and I much prefer African Americans.  They are like a unique American treasure of a culture.  As others have said you can't judge a culture by it's worst members.  There are some really vile, ignorant, chaotic white people out there.  Have you ever seen Gummo?






i figure one anecdotal story deserves another.
I have a friend who used to be vehemently "anti-racist". he would get so incredibly angry if we used the word nigger around him. He would go out of his way to be nice to black people, at some times almost uncomfortably so.
he held on to that belief all the way through college at Duke. all the way up to the point in which he moved to Mobile, AL. He is now even more "racist" than I am. Mobile, AL has turned him racist.

btw, Gummo is a fictional movie, not a documentary. that is like me saying, have you ever seen CB4?


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Psychedelicjournal]
    #19270164 - 12/13/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't know what that link is stating. I been in the south tons of times and have found nothing but nice people. I am not black but I have been in the deep south with my black friends and other then a random asshole here and there (which is not just in the south)everyone seem to not give a fuck. I prefer the south more to the east coast




The PNW is the only habitable place left in the US. :shrug:


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19270165 - 12/13/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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btw, Gummo is a fictional movie, not a documentary. that is like me saying, have you ever seen CB4?




That's not strictly true...


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Korine cast the film almost entirely with local non-actors. Old friends were eager to help Korine, such as the two skinhead brothers, skateboarder Mark Gonzales, and little person Bryant Krenshaw.

The film was shot in some of Nashville's poorest neighborhoods. Producer Cary Woods comments, "we're essentially seeing the kind of poverty that we're used to seeing in Third World countries when news crews are covering famines, [but] seeing that in the heart of America." One small home housed fifteen people and several thousand cockroaches. Bugs literally crawled up and down the walls. Korine comments, "we had to take out stuff to be able to put the camera in the room." At times, the crew rebelled against filming in such conditions and Korine was forced to purchase hazmat suits for them to wear. Korine and Escoffier, who thought this was offensive, "wore Speedos and flip-flops just to piss them off."

Korine encouraged improvisation and spontaneity. To achieve this, Korine had to establish a mode of trust. "If an actor is a crack smoker, let him go out between takes, smoke crack, and then come back and throw his refrigerator out the window! Let people feel they can do whatever they want with no consequence." Producer Scott Macaulay commented the improvisational methods yielded deep results for everyone involved. "For a lot of the non-actors, you sensed that it was a very emotional experience for them, and that they were tapping into something important." Korine adds, "I wanted to show what it was like to sniff glue. I didn't want to judge anybody. This is why I have very little interest in working with actors. [Non-actors] can give you what an actor can never give you: pieces of themselves."





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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19270693 - 12/13/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

doesn't really belong as a point in this discussion. Wild and wonderful whites of west virginia would be a better movie to refer to anyway.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19272370 - 12/13/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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  • the people who like to tout how "unracist" they are, are generally the people who do not live in an area where black people pervade everyday life.

  • it is easy to be a Jain behind a mosquito net....

  • black culture is toxic, lazy, selfish and oblivious. It is when these traits of black culture are expressed by a black person that we think "stupid nigger".

  • I want to make a tv show where you find the most adamantly "unracist" person and have them take a few graveyard shifts at a 7-11 in detroit and see when and how often they put their hand on the shotgun under the cash register...

  • I am contemptuous of the black guy in scenario 1 because he fits the bill of an amalgamation of shitty experiences.

  • I would like to take a poll and see how many people think it is ok for someone to get punched for calling a black person a nigger. I am willing to bet that an overwhelming majority of people would say that physical violence is a justifiable act in the face of being called a name. I would also bet that no other word would illicit half as many votes for "yes" even though they would mean the exact same thing.






When your entire argument is speculation, what other evidence can I give but anecdotal? At least I had photographic proof of mine.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Mr Person] * 2
    #19272552 - 12/13/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well it isn't like racism is some objective science.

I also don't think high school is really part of the point. when i was in high school i wasn't "racist". it is when you own property and have black people devalue your neighborhood with poor upkeep of the standards the community has set forth. when you are a kid in high school shit like that doesn't even cross your mind, you are just glad the token black guy showed up to your kegger.

in high school, black people are cool because they perfectly fit the adolescent mind-set: hip hop music, being oblivious and loud, good at sports and having nice clothes is all that matters. In general, white people grow out of that where as I don't see great numbers of black people really progressing past that point.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis] * 1
    #19272695 - 12/13/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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well it isn't like racism is some objective science.

I also don't think high school is really part of the point. when i was in high school i wasn't "racist". it is when you own property and have black people devalue your neighborhood with poor upkeep of the standards the community has set forth. when you are a kid in high school shit like that doesn't even cross your mind, you are just glad the token black guy showed up to your kegger.

in high school, black people are cool because they perfectly fit the adolescent mind-set: hip hop music, being oblivious and loud, good at sports and having nice clothes is all that matters. In general, white people grow out of that where as I don't see great numbers of black people really progressing past that point.




You're overgeneralizing.  I did not worship black culture or materialism or athletics in high school.  I had piercings and listened to shit like Siouxsie and the Banshees. My existence proves you theory wrong since you apply it to all white people. Of course if you were to start saying "some white people" and "some black people" your whole argument would kind of break down huh?


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Mr Person]
    #19272868 - 12/13/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

like i have said before, my problem isn't with black people really, it is with black culture. just so happens that black culture most often expresses itself via black people.

it is a very simple concept. I see someone who is waving the flag of black culture with their attire, mannerisms, and vernacular and I don't wait around to be proven right about their possible niggerdom. I see bill cosby walking down the street talking about pudding and i don't worry about having to be privy to some shitty act of niggerdom.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19273438 - 12/14/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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like i have said before, my problem isn't with black people really, it is with black culture. just so happens that black culture most often expresses itself via black people.

it is a very simple concept. I see someone who is waving the flag of black culture with their attire, mannerisms, and vernacular and I don't wait around to be proven right about their possible niggerdom. I see bill cosby walking down the street talking about pudding and i don't worry about having to be privy to some shitty act of niggerdom.






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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19276279 - 12/14/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



"Murder one inborn into your every cell
It's in your blood and you can't shake it
Because you were bred to take it
Next stop annihilation
They bred the hate right in your fuckin' bones

Whoa oh oh
Hate breeders
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19279657 - 12/15/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

where the fuck are all you white niggers from?
don't tell me the south


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: eve69]
    #19279736 - 12/15/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Outside of society.



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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19308565 - 12/21/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well ah, whites have been getting washed for quite some time





haha.  You think?




Just look a little bit harder at history. 99% of white have been as beaten down as everyone else since the dawn of time. This white privilege bullshit is coming from that mass media. I just not dumb enough to even pay any mind to any tv, news papers or radios any more. I have never once in my life received a single privilege for being white. I know this is a fact, it was happening to me. Wealthy people keep the poor down and these days one method they use to keep the poor down is to bleat on endlessly about race. My opinion of all people who buy this shit... fucking morons, this includes Markthegnostic. It was not me who is the most un-evolved and primitive as I see through their lies. Allot of very articulate people are still just fucking morons cause they watched a little too much tele or just swallowed all too much establishment crap at university.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19308568 - 12/21/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Outside of society.






This is pretty cool. Might have to look her up.


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