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NecroMyce
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Where to start, casing.
#19271806 - 12/13/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So i feel like im making this too complicated again. Im not sure what to do when it comes to casing layer. my mono is basically 100% colonized almost. and ive read around and found lots of things. Ive also found you dont even really need a casing layer. buuutt i want to increase yield and get the most out of my work. ive found 60/40 verm and coir. http://www.shroomery.org/55/60-40-Vermiculite-and-Coco-Coir-Casing-Tek
ive heard it works great if you do it right but if not it sucks ass.
perlite? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6406785#6406785
Also have heard something with peat moss. i want to do the simplest one that will also do some advantage to my work.
im really confused
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19271815 - 12/13/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: cronicr]
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NecroMyce
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Thanks guys, planning on doing that basically just how i prepped my coir/verm sub, but in a giant zip lock gallon bag. to save my spawn bags, you think that'll be okay?
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19273776 - 12/14/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Franks 50/50 tek has greatly increased my yields and takes no more effort really than doing cakes imo
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: SamhainJ]
#19273885 - 12/14/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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never use perlite
Perlite is nice in casing layers because it creates lots of air pockets near the mycelium which help to stimulate pinning. RR
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NecroMyce
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What about this that I just picked up? Using franks tek?

If this will work for me then dope. But after I wanna get bulk materials for casing and mix them. Any ratios? The tek didn't have any
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never use perlite
Perlite is nice in casing layers because it creates lots of air pockets near the mycelium which help to stimulate pinning. RR
oops i never actually clicked the link, yes it's fine in your mix just neveruse strait perlite lol as for your stuff there do a quick search on the dolomite lime and mag content
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19277935 - 12/15/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CaspuuuR said: What about this that I just picked up? Using franks tek?

If this will work for me then dope. But after I wanna get bulk materials for casing and mix them. Any ratios? The tek didn't have any
Love black Gold
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: cronicr]
#19278429 - 12/15/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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never use perlite
Perlite is nice in casing layers because it creates lots of air pockets near the mycelium which help to stimulate pinning. RR
oops i never actually clicked the link, yes it's fine in your mix just neveruse strait perlite lol as for your stuff there do a quick search on the dolomite lime and mag content
lame recovery. why would you put up a link to teach people but not read it yourself
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never use perlite
Perlite is nice in casing layers because it creates lots of air pockets near the mycelium which help to stimulate pinning. RR
Also, non-nutritious, right?
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cronicr said:
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never use perlite
Perlite is nice in casing layers because it creates lots of air pockets near the mycelium which help to stimulate pinning. RR
oops i never actually clicked the link, yes it's fine in your mix just neveruse strait perlite lol as for your stuff there do a quick search on the dolomite lime and mag content
lame recovery. why would you put up a link to teach people but not read it yourself
i never put the link up i linked him to what i use i was speaking about his link with perlite lol i'll give u an a for effort though
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: cronicr]
#19279246 - 12/15/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have a no pasteurization, no contam casing Tek in my sig that utilises polymer water crystals and vermiculite
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: cronicr]
#19281772 - 12/15/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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RR
oops i never actually clicked the link, yes it's fine in your mix just neveruse strait perlite lol as for your stuff there do a quick search on the dolomite lime and mag content
lame recovery. why would you put up a link to teach people but not read it yourself
i never put the link up i linked him to what i use i was speaking about his link with perlite lol i'll give u an a for effort though
hahah oh cronic...
thanks for the help mayne. i always have your feedback, appreciate it a lot. and that last reply made me lmao hahhahahah
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blueconfusion said:
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CaspuuuR said: What about this that I just picked up? Using franks tek?

If this will work for me then dope. But after I wanna get bulk materials for casing and mix them. Any ratios? The tek didn't have any
Love black Gold
I fuckin love your picture dude, its sick AF!
I'm assuming you've had great success with the black gold seedling starter mix? sorry for not just posting black gold. i didnt even think of it.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19282259 - 12/16/13 02:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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so i was pastuerizing my casing then i noticed i missed a sharp piece of someting in the mix and it popped a hole in the bag, anyway to save it? it doesnt look muddy, but it does look super moist. i can always just start another one but thats like 3 hours of work down the drain
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19282347 - 12/16/13 03:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CaspuuuR said: What about this that I just picked up? Using franks tek?

If this will work for me then dope. But after I wanna get bulk materials for casing and mix them. Any ratios? The tek didn't have any
Love black Gold
I fuckin love your picture dude, its sick AF!
I'm assuming you've had great success with the black gold seedling starter mix? sorry for not just posting black gold. i didnt even think of it.
No I used to use black Gold and ocean forest for another hobby I had
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NecroMyce
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fuck it
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19282396 - 12/16/13 04:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jiffy organic seed starter. Moisten to field capacity & pasteurize. Simple as can be.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: grainbrain]
#19282633 - 12/16/13 07:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't use peat moss
It's nutrient filled and susceptable to trich contamination. It makes a better substrate than casing IMO
Plus it needs to be pasteurized to be used, just adding another vector for failure if not carried out properly
I'm not saying it doesn't work, just not efficient, cheap, or as clean as other alternatives.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=17538438&page=0&vc=1#17538438
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: WillSolvem]
#19282671 - 12/16/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Non-nutritious casings vs nutritious casing vs slightly nutritious casing vs sterilized casing vs non nutritious casing sterilized vs slightly nutritious casing pasteurized vs slightly nutritious casing sterilized vs non-nutritious casing pasteurized vs very nutritious casing sterilized but you rarely kill 100% so it's basically a pasteurized vs very nutritious casing just layered on the shit like spackel vs just use the search function, nub vs why the hell you reading this tiny ass print? vs really, it all just depends on what substrate you're using...
Maybe I should remember: "The test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold [a million muh-fuckin'] opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." ~ F. Scott Fitzgerald
As there seems to be differing opinions about this. No biggie. It happens.
Q: What about casing straight rye grain? I've used a light 'casing' of perlite and had decent results...for years...is there a better casing technique for straight rye grain? Thanks.
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I use peat Moss as a casing works great!
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SuperSillyUs
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Large meatloaf / turkey tray sized cakes of straight rye berries, without any additives, with a light coating of perlite has served me well in the past. Well enough. Fruits about 4 to 5 inches tall and so many it was a chore to keep up and harvest, clean and dry them all. Almost wished it'd stop fruiting and give me a breather... Now realizing breaking up the grain from jars just to make cakes stresses the mycelium 'needlessly'. So, I'm looking into a one-container, inoculation-to-fruiting tek. Even though I was breaking up rye jars and 'spawning' to more sterilized grain, covering tray with tin foil and waiting, still want something even more 'fool' proof.
(They don't make wide mouth quart jars with a wide enough mouth...)
Probably end up using pp5 pc-able container. Something flat and wide, that stacks inside the pc, without covering the inoculation port built in, and easily removable lid. Saying all this in case some of you young fellas with all your pep want to get brownie points here and 'steal' this idea (that someone else surely already thought of). heh. Actually, first heard about this idea on another forum, a year ago. But felt like I was . Not enough traffic and ridiculously loose ability to answer a question straight. lol, wtevr.
Anyways, casing huh? I think it's an overrated contamination risk for most personal growers. That's...that's what I think! Greed...ego...they get the best of us, occasionally. Take care, good peoples...
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Now realizing breaking up the grain from jars just to make cakes stresses the mycelium 'needlessly'. So, I'm looking into a one-container, inoculation-to-fruiting tek.
What you want to do to achieve this:
Obtain some spawn bags, fill them with desired substrate (just grain, poo, coir, brown rice, ect.) and sterilize. While sterilizing take a ordinary 5 gallon bucket and drill (4) 1.5"holes at the 4" mark from the bottom, space evenly as possible. Drill (2) 1.5" holes a inch or two from the rim. Use painters tape to temporarily cover the holes. Once sterile and under sterile conditions mix in a quart of your spawn, close bag than place in bottom of bucket. After colonized cut the bag away and tape remnants to the side of bucket. Remove the painters tape covering holes and replace with polyfill. Place a piece of clear plastic over the top and secure with rubber bands, zip ties, rope, tape, or whatever (i prefer dollar store shower caps). After fruiting has completed, open bucket and lift out by the excess plastic from the spawn bag to make harvest easy.


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: WillSolvem]
#19288103 - 12/17/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crazy impressed with that. Thanks.
Basically just trying to simplify the crap out of giant cakes. Straight grains, plain perlite as light casing. The less transfers the better. I like these:
   For awhile I was inoculating tiny, 1/2 pints that just had a handful of grains in them. Then, using those colonized grains (as opposed to spore solution) to inoculate much larger jars. Logic being that the tiny jars colonize long before contaminates get a foothold. And, mycelium jumping off a few well and truly colonized grains is faster than spore solution. Again, getting the upper hand before contaminates get a chance to take hold.
You guys know all this shit already, not sure why I'm explaining all this. Anyways, all those transfers are too much work for me. I want to get away from this hobby as much as possible and just have it as a side project with my main focus being other stuff. Round pp5... would stack in my All American PC much better. Somethings wider and lower (than the above pictures)would be ideal, with a similar lid. I guess. Love those ports , built in.
Time to dive into the archives for advice on pressure cooking plastic. Still think casing with a bunch of crazy mixes is a pain in the butt and not worth the hassle. My mildly 'controversial' opinion. I'm not aiming for huge yields though. My goal is 'fool proof' simplicity that frees me up for other activities. Take care, peeps...
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Here's a great link/tek started by my friend Violet that I'm trying and posting results under, I think it's what your looking for. And just food for thought "getting the upper hand before contaminates get a chance to take hold." is an outdated theory.. to put it simply if this was a rock-paper-scissors game trich beats cubes every time no matter the odds. Hell I've let sterilize jars sit for over a month before knocking them up. What can I say sterile is sterile.. 
The Tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19035259
Hope this helped 
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: WillSolvem]
#19288333 - 12/17/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sterile is sterile and trich is... game over. Interesting.
Thanks for the link, that looks awesome... incredible. Way over my head. And, probably a fair bit more energy than I'm willing to invest at this point, getting into agar would be new for me, but I'm saving all 11 pgs of it for my personal archives. Thanks.
I basically just want to find out what will happen if I fill a few of the above 2 quart containers with clean, soaked and boiled rye berries & pressure cook for ...? 2 hours? I usually do quarts for about an hour and a half. Would it be equivalent to glass quart jars? Thanks.
I may have to make a separate thread, feel bad for squatting on ol' dude's thread like this.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: WillSolvem]
#19290593 - 12/17/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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WillSolvem said: Here's a great link/tek started by my friend Violet that I'm trying and posting results under, I think it's what your looking for. And just food for thought "getting the upper hand before contaminates get a chance to take hold." is an outdated theory.. to put it simply if this was a rock-paper-scissors game trich beats cubes every time no matter the odds. Hell I've let sterilize jars sit for over a month before knocking them up. What can I say sterile is sterile.. 
The Tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19035259
Hope this helped 
P.S. @RogerRabbit I would like Violet to be considered for a TC tag
wow. this is amazing information. Thank you so much for posting this. I am defiantly gonna try it. I will be post a log of my journey haha. Thank you. My mind is like blown.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: cronicr]
#19291370 - 12/18/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: i prefer 50/50 peat/verm, never use perlite
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18880716#18880716
So if i didnt have access besides online to the jiffy mix, using this link, with the 50/50 mix could i just get a big ol bag of peat and some verm and mix it 50/50 to moisture content then bag it up and PC it?
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19291375 - 12/18/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes but you wanna pasturize it
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: cronicr]
#19291400 - 12/18/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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well not PC it i meant pasteurize it thank you so much. And im thinking doing like 50% peat, 40% verm, 10% perlite, maybe not 10% perlite but just a dash of perlite for moisture, and i think at a grocery store i can find oyster shell flour, and i was thinking of getting some lime. either garden lime or hydrated lime. whatevers better. One thing i am kinda worried about is i just dropped my casing and its with the black gold seedling starter mix. and it has dolomite lime which i just found out has a high mg level and will be a long term buffer, where as i kinda need a short term buffer since the life of shrooms is only 2 months. So i found a few people saying i should be fine since its long term it wont break down until the end of my 3rd-4th flush if even. hopefully.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19292066 - 12/18/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are quite a few alternatives for casing, the following is a list I have used with success:
50/50 Polymer water crystals Plain verm Plain peat moss Spanish moss Play sand Marbles Lawn debris/grass cuttings Coir Straw Wood fiber used for hydro-seeding Bubble wrap Wax paper Perlite Wood chips (only outside) Corn meal Steel wool Fluorescence light covering Pine needles Fleece cloth Polyfill And legos
My favorite still for ease of use (no pasteurization) but still readily available: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=17538438&page=0&vc=1#17538438
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: WillSolvem]
#19292108 - 12/18/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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properly pasteurized lego? marbles?
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I lay about 1/2-1 inch of moist vermiculite on the bottom of the casing, then cover evenly with your colonized broken up substrate, and use 1/2-1 inch of pasteurized peat moss, vermiculite and gypsum. Check the search engine on how to pasteurize, peace + good luck (BTW Hello Shroomery ) If you use this method you'll get something like this-

Thats the 2nd flush of 1 cased PF-Tek cake I have been neglecting, (I just misted it heavy that's why the walls are so soaked.)
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spacechildo said: properly pasteurized lego? marbles? 
You only need to pasteurize organic matter that is susceptible to contamination, so no not pasteurized (you wouldn't pasteurize wax paper used for a casing... I liked the marbles though, it was pretty to look at and there a good candidate for a reusable casing.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: WillSolvem]
#19293533 - 12/18/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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well with what i used i added almost over a inch layer so i took some off and now i got a fine 1/4inch layer, i put on tyvek sleeves and gloves, sterlized with iso and then just gently grabbed some casing off the top. still smelt likea FC in there. I noticed little effort for the myce to be colonizing underneath or to the casing at all.... i hope that isnt a bad sign due to people telling me itll take only a week after casing is added and should see signs after 4 days. its been about 4 days and i havent seen anything. even when i took some off. i know my casing isnt to perfect ratios or ingredients but at the same time i read around and a lot of people used it with results but not as good as other casings and there is downsides to the casing ingredients but it isnt that big of a deal.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19293728 - 12/18/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Keep it saturated with fresh H20, be patient pins can take awhile trust me 1 day all the sudden you'll be like what the fuck where did all these pins come from then a week later its picking time. Don't leave more than an 1" as a casing layer on top IMO, they say the deeper the casing the stronger fatter fruits you'll get. Don't worry just keep misting, fanning ( I use a small fan or my HEPA filter fan), right after misting. Even if the ratio's are off it should pin you'll just get better or worse fruits depending. Do Not let your casing layer dry out and be patient friend. I add a tbl spoon of Gypsum per 3 cups of casing layer with verm + ground up peat moss, you can use coco coir with similar results. Try the 50/50 casing Tek, Ryche Hawk uses that btw
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: Doc Seta]
#19295835 - 12/18/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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keep misting fanning? since i cased it should i dail it in? give it light?
It also has been two weeks since i dropped these BRF into tubs with a 80% coir 20% verm mix. And they have flourished a little but not fully colonized anything... Should i introduce these to fruiting too? or? should i give them more time. I didnt fully break up the cakes like i shouldve. And i ended up finding a few blue spots in some cakes and tossed them, and then didnt end up using one of the jars and let it sit a little longer since it was only at 70% and got some blue marks, but to me it looked like bruising but i have no clue, i hope its not a con tam.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19296696 - 12/19/13 05:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Definitely looks contaminated, sorry brother, we all go through it
Breaking up the cakes more would have helped, it looks like the spawn ratio suffered because of it leaving large areas un-colonized. Possibility partial sterilization of the substrate, how was it pasteurized?
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: WillSolvem]
#19296838 - 12/19/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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WillSolvem said: Definitely looks contaminated, sorry brother, we all go through it
Breaking up the cakes more would have helped, it looks like the spawn ratio suffered because of it leaving large areas un-colonized. Possibility partial sterilization of the substrate, how was it pasteurized?
You got a case of the contams
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: Doc Seta]
#19298108 - 12/19/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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all are contamed?
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19298127 - 12/19/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i fruited all them last night and they are right next to my nice tub. should i toss them now? or will they contam my other tubs? here is another picture. they dont smell bad, or look con tamed
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19298156 - 12/19/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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just tossed my other two bins A+ & Ecuador cuz they honestly didnt look as good as my Penis Envy and didnt have as many cakes in. And i dont think it has contams.. it must just be slowly colonizing the coir and also taking forever cuz of the poor breaking up. But the Penis envy had like 15-20 cakes thrown in it and i flipped all the tubs over inside the tub and the first two EC, and A+ just flipped over and crumbled but had colonization throughout just not strong. And Penis envy tub didnt break when i flipped it over, it had solid white colonization undneath the tub, didnt look like a contam, look like rhizo myce reaching everywhere to grow.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19298242 - 12/19/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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sad day its brf anyways, fuck it.
here comes a trusted cultivator, "that was still good!!" or, "you coulda done this"

i almost thought for a second to put on gloves, sterlize with tyvek and just break it up even more and put it back in colonization but eh whatever.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19298291 - 12/19/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wut drove u to do that?
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: cronicr]
#19298958 - 12/19/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What Happened?
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19298982 - 12/19/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CaspuuuR said: sad day its brf anyways, fuck it.
here comes a trusted cultivator, "that was still good!!" or, "you coulda done this"

i almost thought for a second to put on gloves, sterlize with tyvek and just break it up even more and put it back in colonization but eh whatever.
I see 1 pic with signs of Trich, did u throw it all away? You can make a nice garden with that
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: Doc Seta]
#19300335 - 12/19/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Guys now I'm really upset I threw r out but the one pic you said you saw signs of Trich? Is that the last picture? That was the piece to the substrate puzzle that wasn't happy and I felt it taking that damn long to colonized eventually it'll get Contained. I also put way to much sub I feel like. It was 2-4inches but for the amount of mushroom spawn I had and I didn't break them up good enough it didn't seem like it was worth it. I spent like 20$ on the whole grow so it's all good. I guess...
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19300375 - 12/19/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Once it's colonized it's pretty well indestructible. Still, wouldn't be fucking with it like that?
RR? Anyone? Wait what the fuck?
Why is it even uncolonized looking with you man-handling it ?
Totally confused now.
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I first flipped the tub over and took a picture of it underneath...
And then i said ehh fuck it. shredded a quick tear and broke it up to see what the inside looked like and there is your answer of how i manhandled that giant cake like it was my birthday.
The main reason that drove me to do such a thing was contams. they scare the shit out of me, the thought of me getting a spore on my shirt then walking into my grow room then it laying down and spreading little asshole babies and them creating more mutated assholes fish-pig-cow spores. then hurting my precious ladies. Or the Tub sitting next to my 64quart which is soon to be 4-5 tubs cuz all my other A+ and Ecuador jars just hit 95% atleast. And then the thought of one asshole shitty spore created from another asshole BRF jar that took 2 months to colonize fully and then half my jars weren't even colonized and i had to break em up to get em out the jar, and then the side by side difference of a BRF mycelium and a Rye mycelium, is like a slap in the face. The rye jar is like flicking the BRF jar off while it goes through puberty in a few days. And the BRF is a bitch boy from the corner of the incubator. Then overall all those asshole bad spores fucking up my last 3months of work :'( shed another tear.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19300584 - 12/19/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry guys, had to vent a little. But its okay now 
But on the other hand i did learn a few things...
1.BRF is not my thing  2.If i ever do BRF again which i know i will, cuz i like to experiment.. Break the cakes up fully. That's why they say crumble the cakes. Cake Crumbler level99. 3.Patience.. (I'll probably never learn that lol) 4. Only leave tape on trashbags during mixing your substrate and spawn then cut the tap so that the trashbag can stick to the myce and itll avoid side pins and shit.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19301222 - 12/20/13 03:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used a cheese grater to shred my brf cakes when I did brf to bulk worked great! Just a suggestion to help out...
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19302949 - 12/20/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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 Look how thick this casing is so don't worry abouut 2-3 inches but my sub is fully colonized and popping threw, yours couldve used a lil more timebefore casing itQuote:
CaspuuuR said: Guys now I'm really upset I threw r out but the one pic you said you saw signs of Trich? Is that the last picture? That was the piece to the substrate puzzle that wasn't happy and I felt it taking that damn long to colonized eventually it'll get Contained. I also put way to much sub I feel like. It was 2-4inches but for the amount of mushroom spawn I had and I didn't break them up good enough it didn't seem like it was worth it. I spent like 20$ on the whole grow so it's all good. I guess... 
4th pic but its hard to tell, always wait even if it doesn't pin cause pins can take-4 weeks to start popping threw, don't worry about the sub amount IMO just keep it even for a nice pin set, the substrate is colonized and won't contam under normal conditions its the casing layer that must be pasteurized plus don't soak it down too much. I made a Mono the other day using 2 quarts of colonized Texas Yellow Cap Rye Berry, 1" of Verm + Gypsum on bottom, Crushed Rye Berry sub layed out even on top, then layed about an 1" of Peat Moss, Verm + Gypsum mixed on top. Then sprayed it down and covered for a few days now its ready to start fruiting I'll post up a pic. I threw away lots of shit in the beginning cause I thought it contamed or had way too many jars of brf , rye berries and grains so anything gave me a reason to throw shit out. I suggest using Out-Grows mushroom casing to learn, its like 3.50 a 1lb then make your own as u advance.Sorry I'm in a rush an haven't read your whole thread but good luck next time and hope this helps, later bro
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19303029 - 12/20/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CaspuuuR said: Sorry guys, had to vent a little. But its okay now 
But on the other hand i did learn a few things...
1.BRF is not my thing  2.If i ever do BRF again which i know i will, cuz i like to experiment.. Break the cakes up fully. That's why they say crumble the cakes. Cake Crumbler level99. 3.Patience.. (I'll probably never learn that lol) 4. Only leave tape on trashbags during mixing your substrate and spawn then cut the tap so that the trashbag can stick to the myce and itll avoid side pins and shit.
See my casings at the bottom, all from BRF cakes so forget your #1, BRF is way easier to case.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: Doc Seta]
#19306072 - 12/21/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CaspuuuR said: Sorry guys, had to vent a little. But its okay now 
But on the other hand i did learn a few things...
1.BRF is not my thing  2.If i ever do BRF again which i know i will, cuz i like to experiment.. Break the cakes up fully. That's why they say crumble the cakes. Cake Crumbler level99. 3.Patience.. (I'll probably never learn that lol) 4. Only leave tape on trashbags during mixing your substrate and spawn then cut the tap so that the trashbag can stick to the myce and itll avoid side pins and shit.
See my casings at the bottom, all from BRF cakes so forget your #1, BRF is way easier to case.
yeah just a little more practice and its all about learning. So alteast next round ill know a little more.Quote:
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 Look how thick this casing is so don't worry abouut 2-3 inches but my sub is fully colonized and popping threw, yours couldve used a lil more timebefore casing itQuote:
CaspuuuR said: Guys now I'm really upset I threw r out but the one pic you said you saw signs of Trich? Is that the last picture? That was the piece to the substrate puzzle that wasn't happy and I felt it taking that damn long to colonized eventually it'll get Contained. I also put way to much sub I feel like. It was 2-4inches but for the amount of mushroom spawn I had and I didn't break them up good enough it didn't seem like it was worth it. I spent like 20$ on the whole grow so it's all good. I guess... 
4th pic but its hard to tell, always wait even if it doesn't pin cause pins can take-4 weeks to start popping threw, don't worry about the sub amount IMO just keep it even for a nice pin set, the substrate is colonized and won't contam under normal conditions its the casing layer that must be pasteurized plus don't soak it down too much. I made a Mono the other day using 2 quarts of colonized Texas Yellow Cap Rye Berry, 1" of Verm + Gypsum on bottom, Crushed Rye Berry sub layed out even on top, then layed about an 1" of Peat Moss, Verm + Gypsum mixed on top. Then sprayed it down and covered for a few days now its ready to start fruiting I'll post up a pic. I threw away lots of shit in the beginning cause I thought it contamed or had way too many jars of brf , rye berries and grains so anything gave me a reason to throw shit out. I suggest using Out-Grows mushroom casing to learn, its like 3.50 a 1lb then make your own as u advance.Sorry I'm in a rush an haven't read your whole thread but good luck next time and hope this helps, later bro
Yeah thats a good idea to order their casing layer to see the moisture content and what not. The casing layer i was gonna use was jiffy mix or a peat,verm, type mix. and just past it like my coir/verm substrate.
The only thing that sucks about outgrow is that they charge hella high for shipping, spent 20$ on items and 17$ on shipping. why does a nigga need 17$ to handle plastic bags? And if i was to get that casing how long would it last in the package? and how much would 1lb cover.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
#19306136 - 12/21/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Go to the store n get your own, you can probly get fifty pounds for that price
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: cronicr]
#19306463 - 12/21/13 05:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A Bale of peat moss is like $10 and a big bag of verm sold as insulation is about $15.
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If you don't know how to making casing material I suggest buying it for your 1st casing so u dont waste anymore, after your first casing bro you will have a steady supply of mushies unless u decide to quit so hang in there. Also BRF/ Verm/ Gypsum cakes give me nice flushes of like atleast an oz each so don't switch to Grains yet IMO they contam easier bro. I do both personally. I like making up jars it fun to me , an each cake will flush like 4x under the right conditions. I also have brf cakes that after using a spore syringe I sucked up spring water and inoculated 4 1/4 pints all with no contams that I'm gonnna case so 1 spore syringe goes far considering how many ounces of each casing,if u have extra jars give a try simply flame your needle and use a fresh bottle of spring water. I got 5 casings just finished with theyre 2nd flushes, a super cake I made of like a pound of brf + grain, a mono with pounds of Rye pinning, 9 jars almost done and I made another 9 I'm gonna knock up with Koh Super Strain and Lizard King from Spore Depot which I recommend. Good Luck and don't get so flustered I think everyone has those moments when they first start, I took notes for mad long I gotta notebook from college filled with growing stuff I could write a book but check the search engine on here thoroughly before growing, every question has an answer on here.
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: Doc Seta]
#19308638 - 12/21/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doc Seta said: If you don't know how to making casing material I suggest buying it for your 1st casing so u dont waste anymore, after your first casing bro you will have a steady supply of mushies unless u decide to quit so hang in there. Also BRF/ Verm/ Gypsum cakes give me nice flushes of like atleast an oz each so don't switch to Grains yet IMO they contam easier bro. I do both personally. I like making up jars it fun to me , an each cake will flush like 4x under the right conditions. I also have brf cakes that after using a spore syringe I sucked up spring water and inoculated 4 1/4 pints all with no contams that I'm gonnna case so 1 spore syringe goes far considering how many ounces of each casing,if u have extra jars give a try simply flame your needle and use a fresh bottle of spring water. I got 5 casings just finished with theyre 2nd flushes, a super cake I made of like a pound of brf + grain, a mono with pounds of Rye pinning, 9 jars almost done and I made another 9 I'm gonna knock up with Koh Super Strain and Lizard King from #@$@#$@#$ which I recommend. Good Luck and don't get so flustered I think everyone has those moments when they first start, I took notes for mad long I gotta notebook from college filled with growing stuff I could write a book but check the search engine on here thoroughly before growing, every question has an answer on here.
you should take the sponsers name out of your post please... they dont need that attention
Also im doing rye right now in mono's and have done a few brf runs as well. and i mixed my substrate for my monotub with no problems. Proper past and everything. And so im assuming i can do the same with the casing
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
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you should take the sponsers name out of your post please... they dont need that attention
thats funny somebody just told you the same thing in your other thread DB
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you should take the sponsers name out of your post please... they dont need that attention
thats funny somebody just told you the same thing in your other thread DB
i already not to, like 7months ago found out. but i used a spoof name haha. not the actual one so i didnt think that was too bad but dumbass would have to not know how to decipher that spoof name.
And i thought it was kinda funny that some guy did it in this post too haha
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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
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Doc Seta said:
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CaspuuuR said: Sorry guys, had to vent a little. But its okay now 
But on the other hand i did learn a few things...
1.BRF is not my thing  2.If i ever do BRF again which i know i will, cuz i like to experiment.. Break the cakes up fully. That's why they say crumble the cakes. Cake Crumbler level99. 3.Patience.. (I'll probably never learn that lol) 4. Only leave tape on trashbags during mixing your substrate and spawn then cut the tap so that the trashbag can stick to the myce and itll avoid side pins and shit.
See my casings at the bottom, all from BRF cakes so forget your #1, BRF is way easier to case.
yeah just a little more practice and its all about learning. So alteast next round ill know a little more.Quote:
Doc Seta said:
 Look how thick this casing is so don't worry abouut 2-3 inches but my sub is fully colonized and popping threw, yours couldve used a lil more timebefore casing itQuote:
CaspuuuR said: Guys now I'm really upset I threw r out but the one pic you said you saw signs of Trich? Is that the last picture? That was the piece to the substrate puzzle that wasn't happy and I felt it taking that damn long to colonized eventually it'll get Contained. I also put way to much sub I feel like. It was 2-4inches but for the amount of mushroom spawn I had and I didn't break them up good enough it didn't seem like it was worth it. I spent like 20$ on the whole grow so it's all good. I guess... 
4th pic but its hard to tell, always wait even if it doesn't pin cause pins can take-4 weeks to start popping threw, don't worry about the sub amount IMO just keep it even for a nice pin set, the substrate is colonized and won't contam under normal conditions its the casing layer that must be pasteurized plus don't soak it down too much. I made a Mono the other day using 2 quarts of colonized Texas Yellow Cap Rye Berry, 1" of Verm + Gypsum on bottom, Crushed Rye Berry sub layed out even on top, then layed about an 1" of Peat Moss, Verm + Gypsum mixed on top. Then sprayed it down and covered for a few days now its ready to start fruiting I'll post up a pic. I threw away lots of shit in the beginning cause I thought it contamed or had way too many jars of brf , rye berries and grains so anything gave me a reason to throw shit out. I suggest using Out-Grows mushroom casing to learn, its like 3.50 a 1lb then make your own as u advance.Sorry I'm in a rush an haven't read your whole thread but good luck next time and hope this helps, later bro
Yeah thats a good idea to order their casing layer to see the moisture content and what not. The casing layer i was gonna use was jiffy mix or a peat,verm, type mix. and just past it like my coir/verm substrate.
The only thing that sucks about outgrow is that they charge hella high for shipping, spent 20$ on items and 17$ on shipping. why does a nigga need 17$ to handle plastic bags? And if i was to get that casing how long would it last in the package? and how much would 1lb cover.
Hells Yea whats up with Out-Grows shipping prices ya know? I mean Mikes been good to me an has given me mad free stuff like quart jars of Rye Berry yadi ya but his casing is just verm-peat-gypsum-an I think lime. Some people have bad results with it cause they steralize so much stuff not all things are as sterile, moisture content is off sometimes, if its too moist let it sit in a ziplock for a few days to week an dry up, use a fan? Best way to learn casing is follow the teks laid out by dudes that been doing this awhile. Maybe your coco coir wasn't sterilized enough in your mono? I don't rush as u see it took years for me to join this community before that I took mad notes so I have a full notebook on teks an what works, what doesn't, results etc.
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