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Re: Trolling Conservatives is fun and easy! [Re: Roger Wilco]
#19261953 - 12/11/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Starfire, i totally agree with you. Liberals are the most illogical of all people. They take what they would like to have happen, ignore all costs and consequences, and then make someone else pay for it. As a result, the usa is on the verge of economic collapse as is europe and much of the world.
Take as one small example of liberal illogical thinking, they tell us that there is plenty of food and water for everyone but the reason people are starving is because the rich people horde it all. Think about that for a moment, food does not store very well, not for years and years.
The world is suffering from overpopulation and they want us to give away food and vaccines so the poor people will not die. Sounds like a real nice thing to do, right? Sort of like pouring gasoline on a fire. And yet we give away billions of dollars every year with no benefit to us.
How do you liberals like being trolled? Logical answers only, we all know libs turn to name calling when they run out of facts.
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Re: Trolling Conservatives is fun and easy! [Re: Roger Wilco]
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Why post here at all? Is it not a political discussion forum?
Why do you type to people whom you do not want to learn from, and you will not take the time to teach? What is your drive for posting at all?
I've seen you attempt to give your thoughts to others. Why not listen as well?
because 'trolling progressives is fun' remember the premise this thread was started under?
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Re: Trolling Conservatives is fun and easy! [Re: starfire_xes]
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zappaisgod said: Colleges will take anybody who can get a loan from the taxpayer.
You forgot that colleges will take anyone from certain (cough) 'demographic groups that are underrepresented.' 
Intellectually dishonest, and false in premise.
Do you care to try again?
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Re: Trolling Conservatives is fun and easy! [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: Starfire, i totally agree with you. Liberals are the most illogical of all people. They take what they would like to have happen, ignore all costs and consequences, and then make someone else pay for it. As a result, the usa is on the verge of economic collapse as is europe and much of the world.
Are you assuming that the US is a liberal country? Cause it's not, trust me on this. The most liberal guy in America is probably considered a moderate conservative everywhere else in the world.
The US isn't broke because of liberalism. You guys are #1 on the Hofstede IDV index. Hell what would help you would be a little more liberalism.
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Re: Trolling Conservatives is fun and easy! [Re: Stonehenge]
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Seriously guys, People have their own thoughts. If you have the notion that other people believe something based on some classification you ascribe to them, your a fool to your own judgement.
"Liberals" "Conservative" "Progressive" are all political buzz words and you have been snagged by the hype. People that are put in these categories do not all share the same mind. They all have the ability to think and they all put their own priorities in order. Projecting attributes to large intangible archetypes, and not striving to clarify, and see beyond those simplistic archetypes, to me, IS Trolling.
If you have something to say about a specific policy, person, or history, share it! If you choose to drive conversation into generalization it will only serve malign other's intent to strive for clarity.
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Re: Trolling Conservatives is fun and easy! [Re: Roger Wilco]
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Roger Wilco said: Seriously guys, People have their own thoughts. If you have the notion that other people believe something based on some classification you ascribe to them, your a fool to your own judgement.
"Liberals" "Conservative" "Progressive" are all political buzz words and you have been snagged by the hype. People that are put in these categories do not all share the same mind. They all have the ability to think and they all put their own priorities in order. Projecting attributes to large intangible archetypes, and not striving to clarify, and see beyond those simplistic archetypes, to me, IS Trolling.
If you have something to say about a specific policy, person, or history, share it! If you choose to drive conversation into generalization it will only serve malign other's intent to strive for clarity.
All I know is people who claim to be progressives make me want to vomit.
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Re: Trolling Conservatives is fun and easy! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Liberalism has nothing to do with freedom. It is the triumph of the Kollektif over the individual. That is the antithesis of freedom.
Freedom of speech? They fight against it all the time, see the outrage against Citizens United decision. Free association? See them suing a photographer who doesn't want to shoot a homo wedding. Freedom of religion? See them demanding that companies provide insurance for services that violate the beliefs of the owners.
There is nothing freedom loving about liberalism.
What a strange notion. Liberalism was literally the triumph of the individual over the collective. The original liberal writers were the ones advocating for all of these things. Remember conservatives and their love of monarchy and arbitrary law? Liberals decided they liked constitutions better with all of the rights they provide. John Locke, John Stewart Mills? You know? The Liberal theorists who created this stuff? None of them were conservatives and conservatives were staunchly opposed to constitutions.
Do you remember the whole left/right divide that started during the French revolution? The right was the aristocrats and their arbitrary power, the left was the commoners who wanted freedom from arbitrary power.
Citizens united suggested that the ability to buy tv space is the same as being allowed to talk freely. They are not. One requires vast wealth and the use of tv infrastructure. If the CEO of Monsanto wanted to go and rant on the corner, noone would stop him. Should he be allowed to blanket the airwaves in favor of one politician or another? No, that is allowing the buying of elections which is nonsense.
I'll agree that suing over the wedding refusal is stupid but there is nothing liberal about that. That is antithetical to liberalism as it is the state forcing someone to do something.
For the freedom of religion, it is the freedom to practice however you want. No one is stopping those businesses from practicing their religion. If they are required to provide insurance and the doctor agrees a treatment the business doesn't like must be given, then what say does the business have? Do they get to dictate how the employee uses their check? No, the employer is trying to use their religious beliefs to deny someone else the right to their own religious beliefs. Freedom of religion also means freedom from your religion.
In any case, those businesses in that debate were incorporated and the whole point of incorporating and becoming a company is to create a separate legal entity. Since it's a seperate legal entity, it doesn't carry over their religious beliefs.
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Re: Trolling Conservatives is fun and easy! [Re: starfire_xes]
#19262185 - 12/11/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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All people who mass generalize a group make me sick. Including myself for judging those people.
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Are you assuming that the US is a liberal country? Cause it's not, trust me on this. The most liberal guy in America is probably considered a moderate conservative everywhere else in the world.
USA not liberal? I suppose then that obama is not liberal? I suppose the dems are not liberal? Only a left wingnut would make a statement like that. Show me a country more liberal than usa? You would have to look high and low to find one. Russia? nope, China? no, outside of parts of europe you aren't going to find anything close to usa in extreme liberalism.
>The US isn't broke because of liberalism...
You are batting 100%, our crack pot liberal policies of spending more than we take in are why we are broke and headed for disaster. The so called conservative gop has gone along with it so there are presently no brakes on this runaway train.
We allow in illegals and give them amnesty as a reward for breaking the law. Then the assclown obuma wants to give them another free pass. He already is violating the constitution by not deporting them and usurping the powers of congress to give them breaks.
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Re: Trolling Conservatives is fun and easy! [Re: Stonehenge]
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Are you assuming that the US is a liberal country? Cause it's not, trust me on this. The most liberal guy in America is probably considered a moderate conservative everywhere else in the world.
USA not liberal? I suppose then that obama is not liberal? I suppose the dems are not liberal? Only a left wingnut would make a statement like that. Show me a country more liberal than usa? You would have to look high and low to find one. Russia? nope, China? no, outside of parts of europe you aren't going to find anything close to usa in extreme liberalism.
>The US isn't broke because of liberalism...
You are batting 100%, our crack pot liberal policies of spending more than we take in are why we are broke and headed for disaster. The so called conservative gop has gone along with it so there are presently no brakes on this runaway train.
We allow in illegals and give them amnesty as a reward for breaking the law. Then the assclown obuma wants to give them another free pass. He already is violating the constitution by not deporting them and usurping the powers of congress to give them breaks.
It's funny how much words change their meaning. Liberal before literally meant liberty which was freedom from arbitrary authority. Taxes are traditionally antithetical to liberals. Free-trade is also traditionally a liberal position. Conservatives came from aristocrats who believed in arbitrary power that comes from their birth.
That is the whole left/right divide that started during the French revolution. The right was the aristocrats and nobility and the left was the commoners who didn't like nobility having all this unearned power.
Liberal changed meaning with FDR because people realized that business could have too much authority over them as well. Conservatives changed to support big business, libs the government. Conservatives sided with the status quo during aristocrat days and during business domination days. Liberals sided with big business when government and aristocracy dominated. Now they side with workers. Well, they used to anyway. Now they are as bought out as anyone else.
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Re: Trolling Conservatives is fun and easy! [Re: Patlal]
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Stonehenge said: Starfire, i totally agree with you. Liberals are the most illogical of all people. They take what they would like to have happen, ignore all costs and consequences, and then make someone else pay for it. As a result, the usa is on the verge of economic collapse as is europe and much of the world.
Are you assuming that the US is a liberal country? Cause it's not, trust me on this. The most liberal guy in America is probably considered a moderate conservative everywhere else in the world.
The US isn't broke because of liberalism. You guys are #1 on the Hofstede IDV index. Hell what would help you would be a little more liberalism.
The people aren't liberal. The government is and the media is. Everywhere else in the world? I don't think so.
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zappaisgod said: Liberalism has nothing to do with freedom. It is the triumph of the Kollektif over the individual. That is the antithesis of freedom.
Freedom of speech? They fight against it all the time, see the outrage against Citizens United decision. Free association? See them suing a photographer who doesn't want to shoot a homo wedding. Freedom of religion? See them demanding that companies provide insurance for services that violate the beliefs of the owners.
There is nothing freedom loving about liberalism.
What a strange notion. Liberalism was literally the triumph of the individual over the collective. The original liberal writers were the ones advocating for all of these things. Remember conservatives and their love of monarchy and arbitrary law? Liberals decided they liked constitutions better with all of the rights they provide. John Locke, John Stewart Mills? You know? The Liberal theorists who created this stuff? None of them were conservatives and conservatives were staunchly opposed to constitutions.
Do you remember the whole left/right divide that started during the French revolution? The right was the aristocrats and their arbitrary power, the left was the commoners who wanted freedom from arbitrary power.
Citizens united suggested that the ability to buy tv space is the same as being allowed to talk freely. They are not. One requires vast wealth and the use of tv infrastructure. If the CEO of Monsanto wanted to go and rant on the corner, noone would stop him. Should he be allowed to blanket the airwaves in favor of one politician or another? No, that is allowing the buying of elections which is nonsense.
But you're OK with most of the millionaires and billionaires who own newspapers and TV stations and movie studios being allowed to spread their ignorant liberal bile freely? This is totalitarianism. Free speech fror me but not for thee.Quote:
I'll agree that suing over the wedding refusal is stupid but there is nothing liberal about that. That is antithetical to liberalism as it is the state forcing someone to do something.
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For the freedom of religion, it is the freedom to practice however you want. No one is stopping those businesses from practicing their religion. If they are required to provide insurance and the doctor agrees a treatment the business doesn't like must be given, then what say does the business have? Do they get to dictate how the employee uses their check? No, the employer is trying to use their religious beliefs to deny someone else the right to their own religious beliefs. Freedom of religion also means freedom from your religion.
No employer is denying whores their abortions. They just don't want to have to pay for itQuote:
In any case, those businesses in that debate were incorporated and the whole point of incorporating and becoming a company is to create a separate legal entity. Since it's a seperate legal entity, it doesn't carry over their religious beliefs.
That is actually a valid legal argument that is going to be very difficult for them to overcome
We seem to have a disconnect about what the word "liberalism" means. If you think it means what is today known as "classical liberalism" and most closely resembles libertarianism then you are correct. However you are quite out of touch with the current meaning of the word "liberal" if you think that is the case. The liberals are all about the Kollektif. Note how often they cite "society" and it's needs and wants. Fuck society.
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Re: Trolling Conservatives is fun and easy! [Re: zappaisgod]
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And right-wing media barons don't also spew their crap on the airwaves? At least be fair that it is a two-way street. Friggin' Murdoch?
As I mentioned above, the word has changed meaning. It has evolved since liberty from government and nobility aren't the only two types people need anymore. People also need some liberty from concentrated capital. When wealthy dynasties take over a democracy like in the US, you have oligarchy. Which is just a return to aristocracy.
Constantly attacking 'liberals' and saying conservatives have it all correct is ridiculous. The left ignores government encroachment, the right ignores business encroachment. The wise man watches and defends against both.
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TheOtherAdamSmith said: And right-wing media barons don't also spew their crap on the airwaves? At least be fair that it is a two-way street. Friggin' Murdoch?
That's all you got, right? Face it, you just want to shut up and shut off opposing points of view from the people. Fuck that shit Mr Pravda.Quote:
As I mentioned above, the word has changed meaning. It has evolved since liberty from government and nobility aren't the only two types people need anymore. People also need some liberty from concentrated capital. When wealthy dynasties take over a democracy like in the US, you have oligarchy. Which is just a return to aristocracy.
How have they taken over? Each millionaire has exactly as many votes as each loser retard. There are a lot more loser retards than there are millionaires.Quote:
Constantly attacking 'liberals' and saying conservatives have it all correct is ridiculous. The left ignores government encroachment, the right ignores business encroachment. The wise man watches and defends against both.
There is no such thing as business encroachment. A business cannot force you under the threat of violence to do or not do anything
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Re: Trolling Conservatives is fun and easy! [Re: zappaisgod]
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"That's all you got, right? Face it, you just want to shut up and shut off opposing points of view from the people. Fuck that shit Mr Pravda."
Meaningless response. Learn to talk.
"How have they taken over? Each millionaire has exactly as many votes as each loser retard. There are a lot more loser retards than there are millionaires."
We're biologically wired so propaganda works. The person with the most money wins over 90% of the elections in the US. Don't pretend to be so dense.
"There is no such thing as business encroachment. A business cannot force you under the threat of violence to do or not do anything."
Not all violence is physical. Tell this to the people who suffered the robber barons. In any case, business encroaches by bribing politicians and using their monopoly on violence. It is the concentrated wealth they have that allows this.
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TheOtherAdamSmith said: "That's all you got, right? Face it, you just want to shut up and shut off opposing points of view from the people. Fuck that shit Mr Pravda."
Meaningless response. Learn to talk.
I speak and write quite well and clearly. You want to squelch opposing views. Own it, Mr Pravda.Quote:
"How have they taken over? Each millionaire has exactly as many votes as each loser retard. There are a lot more loser retards than there are millionaires."
We're biologically wired so propaganda works. The person with the most money wins over 90% of the elections in the US. Don't pretend to be so dense.
This is, of course, nonsense but what about having money allows them to take over elections? Is it not getting control of media? And who overwhelmingly controls the media in this country?Quote:
"There is no such thing as business encroachment. A business cannot force you under the threat of violence to do or not do anything."
Not all violence is physical. Tell this to the people who suffered the robber barons. In any case, business encroaches by bribing politicians and using their monopoly on violence. It is the concentrated wealth they have that allows this.
Please tell me who the robber barons robbed.
Again, how is this wealth manifested? What are campaign contributions used for? To get things in media. 50% of the NY Times pages should be considered campaign contributions for liberals. The rest is fluff.
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Re: Trolling Conservatives is fun and easy! [Re: zappaisgod]
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Was referring to this: "That's all you got, right? Face it, you just want to shut up and shut off opposing points of view from the people. Fuck that shit Mr Pravda."
"I speak and write quite well and clearly. You want to squelch opposing views. Own it, Mr Pravda."
I'm here talking with you. How am I squelching opposing views instead of making you tell me them? You're the one with the hostile tone. That's usually an attempt to end dialogue.
"This is, of course, nonsense but what about having money allows them to take over elections? Is it not getting control of media? And who overwhelmingly controls the media in this country?"
Well, obviously you know more than Goebbels. Of course control of the media is what allows money to take over elections. Who has money? The people? The unions? Not anymore. No, the largest businesses do. You seem to think liberals are all pro-government, anti-business. Which means the businesses tend to be conservative, yes? Soooo... The conservatives have the money via the businesses to control the media, yes?
"Please tell me who the robber barons robbed."
"By the late 1800s, the term was typically applied to businessmen who used what were considered to be exploitative practices to amass their wealth.[2] These practices included exerting control over national resources, accruing high levels of government influence, paying extremely low wages, squashing competition by acquiring competitors in order to create monopolies and eventually raise prices, and schemes to sell stock at inflated prices[2] to unsuspecting investors in a manner which would eventually destroy the company for which the stock was issued and impoverish investors." Wikipedia
The robber barons robbed consumers, employees, states and investors via anti-free-market business practices.
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TheOtherAdamSmith said: Was referring to this: "That's all you got, right? Face it, you just want to shut up and shut off opposing points of view from the people. Fuck that shit Mr Pravda."
"I speak and write quite well and clearly. You want to squelch opposing views. Own it, Mr Pravda."
I'm here talking with you. How am I squelching opposing views instead of making you tell me them? You're the one with the hostile tone. That's usually an attempt to end dialogue.
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"This is, of course, nonsense but what about having money allows them to take over elections? Is it not getting control of media? And who overwhelmingly controls the media in this country?"
Well, obviously you know more than Goebbels. Of course control of the media is what allows money to take over elections. Who has money? The people? The unions? Not anymore. No, the largest businesses do. You seem to think liberals are all pro-government, anti-business. Which means the businesses tend to be conservative, yes? Soooo... The conservatives have the money via the businesses to control the media, yes?
Unions don't spend money on campaigns? Do you live under a rock? But that is irrelevant to my point about newspapers and media companies in general. I would posit that at least 80% of all news media and entertainment is liberally biased. Will you please explain, as clearly and concisely as you can, why The NY Times should be allowed to be printed but Chick Fil A, for instance, should not be allowed to run all the political ads it wants?Quote:
"Please tell me who the robber barons robbed."
"By the late 1800s, the term was typically applied to businessmen who used what were considered to be exploitative practices to amass their wealth.[2] These practices included exerting control over national resources, accruing high levels of government influence, paying extremely low wages, squashing competition by acquiring competitors in order to create monopolies and eventually raise prices, and schemes to sell stock at inflated prices[2] to unsuspecting investors in a manner which would eventually destroy the company for which the stock was issued and impoverish investors." Wikipedia
The robber barons robbed consumers, employees, states and investors via anti-free-market business practices.
They didn't rob anybody. Please show me the convictions for theft.
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Re: Trolling Conservatives is fun and easy! [Re: starfire_xes]
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rougescientist said: Hey Guys!
I am not a hard core liberal, just a open minded individual that believes in reason and science. The people that use this website are crazy. Straight up nuts. They hate Obama (duh),
Liberalism is the antithesis of reason and science. Just look at Al Gore: "Just beneath the surface of the earth it's extremely hot...several million degrees..." 
But I digress. Liberalism is based on butthurt and emotion. Not reason. If people thought logically they wouldn't keep voting in the same ass clowns who have been fucking this country up for the last 40+ years.
By the way, I see you are new here. Welcome. I'm starfire. I fucking hate that ass hole piece of lying shit Obama also. what are you going ot do about it? (if its any consolation, the republicans are a big a bunch of progressive idiots as the democrats. They just spend the money on a different agenda.)
Until next time, forward--
Yeah I'd have to say liberalism is a mental disorder, the part of the brain that exercises common sense appears to have atrophied in such individuals.
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TheOtherAdamSmith said: . In any case, business encroaches by bribing politicians and using their monopoly on violence. It is the concentrated wealth they have that allows this.
No, it isn't. It is the dumb fucking sheep who vote these tools into office. No one gets elected unless the dumb and the clueless pull the lever for them.
Blame voters. They are the ones who put scoundrels into office.
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