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Randomly doing ayahuasca
    #19271511 - 12/13/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What would happen if someone who was feeling his life was kind of meaningless randomly went off to a safe location and did a very large dose of pharmahuasca (pharma just for the purpose of convenience -- extracted harmalas and extracted DMT)?


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: s240779] * 1
    #19271561 - 12/13/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Seems he would think the experience was random.


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: hTx]
    #19271719 - 12/13/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

random occurrence


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: s240779]
    #19271744 - 12/13/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You'd get really high.  Then life would continue to be meaningless. 

Your job on this planet is to fuck a woman and devote your resources to her and the child just like rich people.  Or you can fuck many women and devote few or none of your resources to raising these children just like poor people.  Either way, you are on the path to making your DNA immortal. Remember, you are a temporary and disposable container for your genetic material.  You are a slave to it.  I'd like to credit DMT for such insights, but I got this shit from biology textbooks.

DMT can give you meaning and purpose.  Motherfucker, it can ram that shit down your throat.  "I get it!!!!!!!!!!!  Makes PERFECT sense!!!!"  Upon sober reflection, most of it is absolute nonsense.  The rest is fortune cookie aphorisms and trite bumper sticker cliches.  Go eat at the chinks tonight and read your fortune cookie message.  What it says will be more valuable than anything DMT or any of these screwball drugs tell you.


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: joemolloy]
    #19272105 - 12/13/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Haha, I enjoyed reading that. But I don't think your right...or wrong.

Purpose is something you have to create for yourself, the beauty of it is your purpose here on this earth is to do anything you want. If you don't want to have kids, then that's not your purpose. If you want to paint or invent or build or cook...whatever just choose something and put as much effort as you can into it.

and Da2ura Why would it be random to do ayahuasca, your choosing to do it. That's not random at all...god I bet you think your purpose is random too! :facepalm:


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: Everything]
    #19272239 - 12/13/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol funny thread so far.

well, in answer to Q, anything and everything and nothing! your perspective matters.

I'd rec not diving in. dipping your toes never hurt anyone


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: joemolloy]
    #19272479 - 12/13/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You'd get really high.  Then life would continue to be meaningless. 

Your job on this planet is to fuck a woman and devote your resources to her and the child just like rich people.  Or you can fuck many women and devote few or none of your resources to raising these children just like poor people.  Either way, you are on the path to making your DNA immortal. Remember, you are a temporary and disposable container for your genetic material.  You are a slave to it.  I'd like to credit DMT for such insights, but I got this shit from biology textbooks.

DMT can give you meaning and purpose.  Motherfucker, it can ram that shit down your throat.  "I get it!!!!!!!!!!!  Makes PERFECT sense!!!!"  Upon sober reflection, most of it is absolute nonsense.  The rest is fortune cookie aphorisms and trite bumper sticker cliches.  Go eat at the chinks tonight and read your fortune cookie message.  What it says will be more valuable than anything DMT or any of these screwball drugs tell you.




Experience is meaning enough my friend. Yeah everything you were told and saw, felt, was all a "hallucination" but at the end of your life what else was your existence but a "hallucination"

Im not disagreeing with you though, Bullshit is bullshit, all we can do is hop off our pedestals and observe


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: s240779]
    #19272655 - 12/13/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You'd see fractal crystalline crocodiles swimming through a whirlpool, throw up everywhere and suddenly become a shaman.


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: joemolloy]
    #19272771 - 12/13/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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DMT can give you meaning and purpose.  Motherfucker, it can ram that shit down your throat.  "I get it!!!!!!!!!!!  Makes PERFECT sense!!!!"  Upon sober reflection, most of it is absolute nonsense. 




Can anyone really in any logical or meaningful way explain to themselves what actually happens or happened in hyperspace before or after the fact? Really, can any explanation or trip report get within even a gazillion billion miles of the actual reality?

I find it very hard to understand how one could even begin to go about dismissing something that is so mind bogglingly ineffable and impossible to understand or describe even to oneself anyway! Dismissing the experience is tantamount to saying you understand what it actually is, which is pretty much akin to religious certitude!

Not saying it's not in fact one big hall of mirrors, and I know myself that you cant take anything you learn there at face value! All I know is no matter its actual validity -before and afterwards- at the time, its much more real than this reality!


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: wolf8312]
    #19272825 - 12/13/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's not real. For example I smoked dmt one time a week after having unprotected sex, I had visions of a fetus and all this other stuff, way to much to explain but basically I thought I was seeing/feeling/being told my conceived child I had with this girl. My friend who I was smoking dmt with told me the next day he had actually gotten a girl pregnant and she wouldn't get an abortion for almost 3 months! It really freaked him out, alas though it soon became apparent I had not conceived a kid and my visions were just created by my own mind, as joemolloy would say, it was bullshit.

Ever thought about dreams and how your mind is creating them as you experience the creation. The cycle is so well put together it feels like reality, but really it's just imagination at its most efficient.

DMT really doesn't hold any spectacular answers, it can only show something the human mind is capable of.


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: Everything]
    #19272912 - 12/13/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Everything said:
It's not real. For example I smoked dmt one time a week after having unprotected sex, I had visions of a fetus and all this other stuff, way to much to explain but basically I thought I was seeing/feeling/being told my conceived child I had with this girl. My friend who I was smoking dmt with told me the next day he had actually gotten a girl pregnant and she wouldn't get an abortion for almost 3 months! It really freaked him out, alas though it soon became apparent I had not conceived a kid and my visions were just created by my own mind, as joemolloy would say, it was bullshit.





That doesn't mean there are no demons or spirits out there though! It might just have meant that they decided to manipulate and fuck with you! What else would you expect from demons?:grin:


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: joemolloy]
    #19272921 - 12/13/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You'd get really high.  Then life would continue to be meaningless. 

Your job on this planet is to fuck a woman and devote your resources to her and the child just like rich people.  Or you can fuck many women and devote few or none of your resources to raising these children just like poor people.  Either way, you are on the path to making your DNA immortal. Remember, you are a temporary and disposable container for your genetic material.  You are a slave to it.  I'd like to credit DMT for such insights, but I got this shit from biology textbooks.

DMT can give you meaning and purpose.  Motherfucker, it can ram that shit down your throat.  "I get it!!!!!!!!!!!  Makes PERFECT sense!!!!"  Upon sober reflection, most of it is absolute nonsense.  The rest is fortune cookie aphorisms and trite bumper sticker cliches.  Go eat at the chinks tonight and read your fortune cookie message.  What it says will be more valuable than anything DMT or any of these screwball drugs tell you.




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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: wolf8312]
    #19272943 - 12/13/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

makes sense


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: ModestMouse]
    #19272956 - 12/13/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
You'd get really high.  Then life would continue to be meaningless. 

Your job on this planet is to fuck a woman and devote your resources to her and the child just like rich people.  Or you can fuck many women and devote few or none of your resources to raising these children just like poor people.  Either way, you are on the path to making your DNA immortal. Remember, you are a temporary and disposable container for your genetic material.  You are a slave to it.  I'd like to credit DMT for such insights, but I got this shit from biology textbooks.

DMT can give you meaning and purpose.  Motherfucker, it can ram that shit down your throat.  "I get it!!!!!!!!!!!  Makes PERFECT sense!!!!"  Upon sober reflection, most of it is absolute nonsense.  The rest is fortune cookie aphorisms and trite bumper sticker cliches.  Go eat at the chinks tonight and read your fortune cookie message.  What it says will be more valuable than anything DMT or any of these screwball drugs tell you.




The truth hurts




I don't think that most of us really care either way! There are a lot of Ayahuasca crusaders of course, but not too many around these parts! Saying its bullshit is much the same as saying its real IMO! There's nothing wrong with keeping an open mind!


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: wolf8312]
    #19273230 - 12/14/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

IME, you just sometimes hit a wall, and decide either life isn't worth living and end it all or pick up a shovel and start shoveling the BS away one teaspoon at a time.

The problem is, no matter how many drugs you take, you can only change your attitude, you cannot change anything else without the grace of some kind of god... Weither you believe it to be DMT, Money, yourself, or even Jesus Christ is largely irreverent, just believe in something ok? The sad truth is no matter how hard you try, you cannot succeed alone. This revelation is the hardest one to accept.

I still cannot shake that feeling that nothing matters anymore, especially since the powers that be, government, big business, are all acting like insane children with loaded guns. Something is going to give, and when it does it's gonna be ugly.


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #19273458 - 12/14/13 04:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Can anyone really in any logical or meaningful way explain to themselves what actually happens or happened in hyperspace before or after the fact? Really, can any explanation or trip report get within even a gazillion billion miles of the actual reality?




I'm pretty fucking awesome at it.  All you need is a decent command of language. 

Pick up an abnormal psychology textbook if you want to learn about the psychedelic experience.  Check out the index for mania, schizophrenia, schizotypal, and delusions.  Their descriptions of mental illness do a nice job of describing the experience.  Hard tripping is classic insanity with a bit of orgasmic feeling if you're lucky.  Those textbooks sound like a typical
Saturday afternoon when I was into ayahuasca.

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I find it very hard to understand how one could even begin to go about dismissing something that is so mind bogglingly ineffable and impossible to understand or describe even to oneself anyway! Dismissing the experience is tantamount to saying you understand what it actually is, which is pretty much akin to religious certitude!




Classic shroomery bullshit thinking.  Just because we don't know everything with certainty doesn't mean we know nothing.  Yeah, maybe the rambling homeless dude with a lump of shit in his underwear is a brilliant genius and we should listen to his wisdom.  It's possible, I know.  However, we have to navigate this world and distinguish the bullshit from the shinola.  These forums are filled with impulsive kids, desperate high school dropouts, society's misfits, and countless searching malcontents.  These drugs turn screwy people screwier.  I read these threads here and over at the nexus - Mental Illness Alley.  Even well-adjusted people who have all of their psychological needs met can get turned sideways on this stuff, but the typical demographics on these boards really get fucked.

Take that stupid shit you get from trips with a grain of salt.  Smoke less pot and trip less often.  Conserve your sanity, do something constructive rather than destructive.

Fuck you, JoeMolloy.  I know.


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: joemolloy]
    #19273549 - 12/14/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Take that stupid shit you get from trips with a grain of salt.  Smoke less pot and trip less often.  Conserve your sanity, do something constructive rather than destructive.

Fuck you, JoeMolloy.  I know.




No not at all, but your pushing at an open door with a lot of what your saying here! I don't smoke pot (for me a ticket to p.schizophrenia) and indulge in psychedelics merely a few times a year! I spend half my time round here pretty much saying the same as what you are telling me, warning younger people against ludicrous doses and trying to get it through to them that psychedelics are incredibly dangerous! It's all there in my history!

DMT -or in my case the Syrian rue concoction- was so far beyond anything my own imagination could ever even in its wildest dreams have imagined, I have a hard time working out where my brain could have lifted the material!

I was really only saying that with something like DMT can anyone really make declarative statements one way or the other?

I tend to believe that the DMT experience is not something that one has experience of after or before the experience itself, and that this lingering empty feeling of not being able to properly grasp and understand what actually happened becomes an addictive riddle and fascination that compels one to return again and again! Almost every time I land back in hyperspace I say to myself oh shit now I remember aw fuck not this again!


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: wolf8312]
    #19276058 - 12/14/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey Joe if you're still checking this thread, I want to hear your opinion on why aya is gaining so much popularity, especially among upper-middle class white New Age folk. It's constantly described as "medicine" and seems to be spreading more into the mainstream everyday. Why not San Pedro, why not Salvia, heck - why not LSD?? Why does ayahuasca appeal more than other psychedelics to Westerners as a medium of "healing"? I have yet to try aya, partly because I see so much fanaticism around it.


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: joemolloy]
    #19276123 - 12/14/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Can anyone really in any logical or meaningful way explain to themselves what actually happens or happened in hyperspace before or after the fact? Really, can any explanation or trip report get within even a gazillion billion miles of the actual reality?




I'm pretty fucking awesome at it.  All you need is a decent command of language. 

Pick up an abnormal psychology textbook if you want to learn about the psychedelic experience.  Check out the index for mania, schizophrenia, schizotypal, and delusions.  Their descriptions of mental illness do a nice job of describing the experience.  Hard tripping is classic insanity with a bit of orgasmic feeling if you're lucky.  Those textbooks sound like a typical
Saturday afternoon when I was into ayahuasca.

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I find it very hard to understand how one could even begin to go about dismissing something that is so mind bogglingly ineffable and impossible to understand or describe even to oneself anyway! Dismissing the experience is tantamount to saying you understand what it actually is, which is pretty much akin to religious certitude!




Classic shroomery bullshit thinking.  Just because we don't know everything with certainty doesn't mean we know nothing.  Yeah, maybe the rambling homeless dude with a lump of shit in his underwear is a brilliant genius and we should listen to his wisdom.  It's possible, I know.  However, we have to navigate this world and distinguish the bullshit from the shinola.  These forums are filled with impulsive kids, desperate high school dropouts, society's misfits, and countless searching malcontents.  These drugs turn screwy people screwier.  I read these threads here and over at the nexus - Mental Illness Alley.  Even well-adjusted people who have all of their psychological needs met can get turned sideways on this stuff, but the typical demographics on these boards really get fucked.

Take that stupid shit you get from trips with a grain of salt.  Smoke less pot and trip less often.  Conserve your sanity, do something constructive rather than destructive.

Fuck you, JoeMolloy.  I know.





You're fucking spot on, in a way.  Yet you're still missing a view from behind your ego(yeah I know hippie fuckin word but my command of the English language is limited).

I work with the insane, the mentally ill, disabled, et cetera.  They have truly beautiful insights, occasionally, and I feel blessed to have recieved the insight and having tripped has allowed me to better understand their messages. 

Tripping has shown me another language in a way.  One that looks silly, insane, and unimportant but beautiful things happen to me in life when I acknowledge it and listen.


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Re: Randomly doing ayahuasca [Re: Allisterem]
    #19276233 - 12/14/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Joemolly is just butt-hurt from nearly going insane with psychedelics. He also has called dmt addictive and a poison, so take what he says with a bottle of salt.

OP I wouldn't advize taking a high dose of pharmahuasca outdoors man. You might have to purge...out both ends. Its not something you will be walking around on. If you do it, do it in bed.


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