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bodhisatta 
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You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation
#19270774 - 12/13/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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When you were a noob, what was the hardest thing cultivation,mycology,task,etc... to wrap your head around?
For some it might be agar, or grain to grain, perhaps how to put holes into a SGFC, or what to do for lighting etc...
I'm mostly going to use this information to feed my how to get started at the shroomery and get the most out of it thread
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19270842 - 12/13/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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for me it was sterility and not realizing that my filters were more then enough for me to stop bleaching my room everyday, and not knowing how pasturizing really worked. i thought it was a sterile process for years till i found shroomery
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19270865 - 12/13/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yea that is a confusing one.
There's the sterility and the fact that 0 life is left, and then there is mycology sterility where there's a window for colonization to occur. Obviously steaming at 212 with no pressure for 90M is not true sterilization but it's enough to call a brf cake sterile.
Pasteurization is one I think people still don't really get. Especially that only the core temperature matters and the outsides can get hotter than 160F.
Then people don't understand when they need to be sterile or not. People are always trying to be clean when spawning but you could do that outside. Or the people that like to use alcohol to wipe a flamed needle .
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19270907 - 12/13/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the cleaning your room with bleach part being unnecessary. and after reading here for a while; what the bleep a casing was.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: spacechildo]
#19270912 - 12/13/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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spacechildo said: the cleaning your room with bleach part being unnecessary.
ten years later i know now
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sharpshroomer98
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19270914 - 12/13/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: for me it was sterility and not realizing that my filters were more then enough for me to stop bleaching my room everyday, and not knowing how pasturizing really worked. i thought it was a sterile process for years till i found shroomery
Congrats lol I wouldn't have been able to get started without this place yet alone a few years. Mine still is the pasteurization, I just recently discovered the whole outer edge temp doesnt matter because the proper nuits n such move to the outer edge as it cools. But I love that I learn something new almost every day, just small techniques that I want to try for my own and find out personal preference. But with this fantastic communities support I've come so much farther than originally imagined.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: sharpshroomer98]
#19270935 - 12/13/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I used to bleach everything so much my nose would burn and I couldn't smell anything for 2 days! 
Other than that I didn't have any issues because I did my homework extensively.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Stromrider]
#19270945 - 12/13/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hopefully this will be a repository of enough stories and explanations that we can just link to the appropriate posts when people ask in their own threads down the line.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: sharpshroomer98]
#19270950 - 12/13/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I originally didn't really understand the process of using grains as spawn. I didn't see the purpose when you could use brf, but after a minuscule amount of reading I understood that brf doesn't work so well in quart jars and it takes forever. If there's one piece of information I could give to noobs, it would be to do your damn research, and skip the pf tek and go to grains and monos immediately.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Stromrider]
#19270956 - 12/13/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The hardest part for me was testing every method I could find until I finally conceded that it doesn't get any better than a tub with some holes in it.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19270987 - 12/13/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: SynKyd]
#19271042 - 12/13/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nothing was really hard to 'wrap my head around' but there was one big obstacle.
I constantly told myself I couldn't do things because of such-and-such. I told myself I couldn't do agar because I didn't have a good enough SAB or that I couldn't do grain to grain transfers because I didn't have a flow hood.
I finally looked at myself a month or two ago and said 'What the fuck is wrong with you? You're afraid to do something because of the risk of a little contamination?' For some reason I had been literally AFRAID of contamination. I realized how much I limit myself in my day to day life by saying 'I can't do this because of this.'
That was a hard wall to break down. To just accept that contamination may happen and that that's not a reason to not try.
For some reason, I don't think I'm the only one who's had this 'fear' of doing something because it might fail.
There is nothing about mycology to be afraid of. Unless you get some super duper killer mold.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: sharpshroomer98]
#19271055 - 12/13/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The most difficult thing for me was discovering the proper method to use.
I impulsively took up this hobby after I couldn't find anyone in my area who could provide shrooms. I researched different sites for a few days--they had grow kits and outdated teks using drip shields, coolers, the PMP etc--before I found this website and the PF tek.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Stromrider]
#19271067 - 12/13/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I second skipping the pf-tek. I don't find bulk any more difficult at all, simply different, though I guess it requires a bit more work and a bit more materials, but you get *way* more mushies. For most people a single mono would last them and a few friends a year or more. PF-tek will generally give you and a few friends a couple trips.
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Stromrider said: Yeah I used to bleach everything so much my nose would burn and I couldn't smell anything for 2 days! 
Other than that I didn't have any issues because I did my homework extensively.
The last time I used bleach for cleaning I ended up 'sick' for 2 or three days. Eyes burnt, sinuses burnt/runny, lungs hurt and I had a caugh, head conjestion everything. Oh, and my eyes would water bleach or chlorine or something for about 24 hours, burnt my eyes, but my tears tasted super clean. Unrelated to mushrooms, I was cleaning toxic mold out of the bathroom which probably was not good for my health either. Since I've cleaned that shitty bathroom my contamination rates have dropped dramatically however for whatever that's worth.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19271074 - 12/13/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Nothing was really hard to 'wrap my head around' but there was one big obstacle.
I constantly told myself I couldn't do things because of such-and-such. I told myself I couldn't do agar because I didn't have a good enough SAB or that I couldn't do grain to grain transfers because I didn't have a flow hood.
I finally looked at myself a month or two ago and said 'What the fuck is wrong with you? You're afraid to do something because of the risk of a little contamination?' For some reason I had been literally AFRAID of contamination. I realized how much I limit myself in my day to day life by saying 'I can't do this because of this.'
That was a hard wall to break down. To just accept that contamination may happen and that that's not a reason to not try.
For some reason, I don't think I'm the only one who's had this 'fear' of doing something because it might fail.
There is nothing about mycology to be afraid of. Unless you get some super duper killer mold.
Trich still scares the shit out of me.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: krypto2000]
#19271083 - 12/13/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh, I initially thought I didn't really have trouble with anything or learn much (not that I knew everything, but what I learned seemed easy enough), however I change my opinion. Outdoor growing! I wish I knew about outdoor growing years ago, I can't believe I've been growing for ~7 years and not until this past summer did I try an outdoor grow. Also all this time I had been dumping spent and contaminanted subs into the compost when I could have probably gotten a lot of mushies from them if I'd buried them and tried to fruit outside. If you're trying to get bulk I think indoors is the way to go as far as efficiency, but I love gardening, working outside, and mushrooms growing in your yard just look awesome too.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19271280 - 12/13/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Nothing was really hard to 'wrap my head around' but there was one big obstacle.
I constantly told myself I couldn't do things because of such-and-such. I told myself I couldn't do agar because I didn't have a good enough SAB or that I couldn't do grain to grain transfers because I didn't have a flow hood.
I finally looked at myself a month or two ago and said 'What the fuck is wrong with you? You're afraid to do something because of the risk of a little contamination?' For some reason I had been literally AFRAID of contamination. I realized how much I limit myself in my day to day life by saying 'I can't do this because of this.'
That was a hard wall to break down. To just accept that contamination may happen and that that's not a reason to not try.
For some reason, I don't think I'm the only one who's had this 'fear' of doing something because it might fail.
There is nothing about mycology to be afraid of. Unless you get some super duper killer mold.
QFT same thing here, I literally one day was like "dude, just start some agar, whats the big deal??"
I would say hardest thing for me to get was the days after introducing to fruiting...not fucking with it too much, just being patient, and watching it do its thing. I dunno a cool thread/post might be a side by side pictorial for newbs with a grow being "over" cared for and one being left alone (besides following its respective tek)? just so they see what constant misting fanning might do, be it over saturate, dry it out, or just delay the fruit formation compared to just leaving it alone, dunno if it would be helpful, but it would have alleviated some concerns in my head back when.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blindingleaf]
#19271481 - 12/13/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Take off the foil.
Very little Gas Exchange (GE).
Edited by CricketMan (07/18/17 07:00 PM)
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: CricketMan]
#19271496 - 12/13/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i'm still a noob, and the hardest thing for me still, is to believe that I can. I read and read and read and still second guess myself. As long as you educate yourself, and take advice constructively, just try it and see how it goes. This hobby takes soooooo long, that it really gives you enough time to fix most mistakes before they turn tragic, and if they turn tragic, learn from it.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19271512 - 12/13/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sgt. Pepper said: I originally didn't really understand the process of using grains as spawn. I didn't see the purpose when you could use brf, but after a minuscule amount of reading I understood that brf doesn't work so well in quart jars and it takes forever. If there's one piece of information I could give to noobs, it would be to do your damn research, and skip the pf tek and go to grains and monos immediately.
That was my thing, i was overwhelmed with everything and stuck simple, and now im already doing agar and advanced g2g, taking 2-4 jars and making 4-6monos haha. I couldnt wrap my head around the fact that this is actually really simple procedures, and jumping to rye/wbs/bulk right away is actually not hard/bad thing at all. And totally worth it, just find proper information and do your research and experiment
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19271515 - 12/13/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Nothing was really hard to 'wrap my head around' but there was one big obstacle.
I constantly told myself I couldn't do things because of such-and-such. I told myself I couldn't do agar because I didn't have a good enough SAB or that I couldn't do grain to grain transfers because I didn't have a flow hood.
I finally looked at myself a month or two ago and said 'What the fuck is wrong with you? You're afraid to do something because of the risk of a little contamination?' For some reason I had been literally AFRAID of contamination. I realized how much I limit myself in my day to day life by saying 'I can't do this because of this.'
That was a hard wall to break down. To just accept that contamination may happen and that that's not a reason to not try.
For some reason, I don't think I'm the only one who's had this 'fear' of doing something because it might fail.
There is nothing about mycology to be afraid of. Unless you get some super duper killer mold.
i was the same way as well, as long as your sterile, there is nothing to be afraid of in mycology. Be brave and experiment, you can always try again. even with the same jars sometimes.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: CricketMan]
#19271554 - 12/13/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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INCEDIGRIS said: TAKE OFF THE FOIL AFTER INOCULATION!
After Inoculation, I re-covered the jars with foil, and left the foil on the jars during incubation. Bad idea.
There was very little Gas Exchange (GE). It took nearly 2.5 weeks to see the start of mycelium. By the time I realized my sin, it was too late. I ended up trashing most of them due to sour smelling substrate.
Fast forward to attempt number 2 - I am seeing mycelium in 5 days 
That is all - remember to take off that foil!
You should take off the foil after inoculation, but I doubt that was related to your problems. It sounds like the syringe had bacteria in it or either your jars weren't sterile because they should have enough air to germinate just fine and though they may stall without GE there should not have been bacterial growth if the jar and innoculant were both clean.
Edited by krypto2000 (12/13/13 04:36 PM)
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19271572 - 12/13/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that this is not a complicated hobby and I'm the one who makes it complicated.
The Sirens Call of automation drove me to waste money, time, and energy on gadgets, electric devices, and other materials.
Primarily, what a good FC actually means. I have come to understand that a good FC means proper FAE and RH.
It took several really complex, yet poor, setups to realize the simplicity of monotubs and SGFC's is where it's at.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19271794 - 12/13/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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still totally unsuccessful in growing thus far, but i have done plenty of reading, bought the vids, made tons of plans only to scratch them out and start new ones... wrapped the head around plenty of stuff. the one i so far had the hardest time getting was the mushroom lifecycle. it went something like: "you mean noc'ing with spores is not ideal? what do you mean a crap shoot? heirloom tomato seeds reliably give great tomatoes, why spores don't reliably give great tomatoes... i mean mushrooms? oh, because the seeds are already dikaryotic and genetics are consistent and determined. spores are monokaryotic? wait what? it's not exactly like that either? what the fuck?! spoores germinate into hyphae which essentially mate sexually to form mycelium, like pollen and... what? oh so the mycelium can have a total mishmash of genetic code, the cells each have two nuclei..." and so on.
read read read, eventually got it, with a few lingering questions. now i get why isolation is important and why that will give the best results under like circumstances. i just love this stuff.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: J. Jack Flash]
#19272067 - 12/13/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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awww no success yet? at least u r still trying, and reading. I spent my entire unemployed summer reading this site, and was failing in june with cakes, and spawning to bulk (with the same brf cakes) by late july. now I'm working with agar, and even doing some oysters and shiitaki, everything learned from this site! the more u read, the more u understand, the better ur results! I wish u luck J J!
me in early june:

me in late july:

Shiitaki plate (minus some transfers):

my first oyster grow!

Thank you Shroomery!!!!!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blindingleaf]
#19272109 - 12/13/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice oysters!
My biggest problem was a buddy I had who was the one who talked me into growing for the first time. Kept giving me advice like "make sure your FC doesn't have too many holes" and G2G is fine in open air and you can G2G jars forever. Really screwed me up at the start. Then I found the shroomery and did a lot of lurking and reading. After I spent some serious time here he came over one day and was like "holy shit, I was never able to grow that many in one tub!"
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19272142 - 12/13/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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thx!! I was debating whether or not to include that pic cause its in my sig., but it went along with my experience here at shroomery... can't wait to eat them! i have some clones of that (and other shiitakis) on ur plates as we speak....
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19272197 - 12/13/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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NOT buying a PC right away. IDC what your excuses are get 1. An 8qt is 30 bucks at Wally World online. Also Craigslist and eBay you can get better deals than that. GET A PC and start agar!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: magickspore]
#19272266 - 12/13/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Nothing was really hard to 'wrap my head around' but there was one big obstacle.
I constantly told myself I couldn't do things because of such-and-such. I told myself I couldn't do agar because I didn't have a good enough SAB or that I couldn't do grain to grain transfers because I didn't have a flow hood.
I finally looked at myself a month or two ago and said 'What the fuck is wrong with you? You're afraid to do something because of the risk of a little contamination?' For some reason I had been literally AFRAID of contamination. I realized how much I limit myself in my day to day life by saying 'I can't do this because of this.'
That was a hard wall to break down. To just accept that contamination may happen and that that's not a reason to not try.
For some reason, I don't think I'm the only one who's had this 'fear' of doing something because it might fail.
There is nothing about mycology to be afraid of. Unless you get some super duper killer mold.
I don't think you're alone. I see A LOT of people who don't want to start until they have the best things to use. Same goes for brewing. Everyone needs 1000$ setup to do things people have done with homemade shit for years.
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sukhavati12 said: The most difficult thing for me was discovering the proper method to use.
I impulsively took up this hobby after I couldn't find anyone in my area who could provide shrooms. I researched different sites for a few days--they had grow kits and outdated teks using drip shields, coolers, the PMP etc--before I found this website and the PF tek.
Yea, I'm trying to make it easier for people to find the right thing the first time. not so easy.
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krypto2000 said: Oh, I initially thought I didn't really have trouble with anything or learn much (not that I knew everything, but what I learned seemed easy enough), however I change my opinion. Outdoor growing! I wish I knew about outdoor growing years ago, I can't believe I've been growing for ~7 years and not until this past summer did I try an outdoor grow. Also all this time I had been dumping spent and contaminanted subs into the compost when I could have probably gotten a lot of mushies from them if I'd buried them and tried to fruit outside. If you're trying to get bulk I think indoors is the way to go as far as efficiency, but I love gardening, working outside, and mushrooms growing in your yard just look awesome too.
 out door things really need to be talked about more IMO
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INCEDIGRIS said: TAKE OFF THE FOIL AFTER INOCULATION!
After Inoculation, I re-covered the jars with foil, and left the foil on the jars during incubation. Bad idea.
There was very little Gas Exchange (GE). It took nearly 2.5 weeks to see the start of mycelium. By the time I realized my sin, it was too late. I ended up trashing most of them due to sour smelling substrate.
Fast forward to attempt number 2 - I am seeing mycelium in 5 days 
That is all - remember to take off that foil!
everyone loves to foil their jars for some reason
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1down5up said: i'm still a noob, and the hardest thing for me still, is to believe that I can. I read and read and read and still second guess myself. As long as you educate yourself, and take advice constructively, just try it and see how it goes. This hobby takes soooooo long, that it really gives you enough time to fix most mistakes before they turn tragic, and if they turn tragic, learn from it.
It is hard to take the first step but nearly nothing here is out side of the reach of most able bodied persons to do.
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CaspuuuR said:
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Sgt. Pepper said: I originally didn't really understand the process of using grains as spawn. I didn't see the purpose when you could use brf, but after a minuscule amount of reading I understood that brf doesn't work so well in quart jars and it takes forever. If there's one piece of information I could give to noobs, it would be to do your damn research, and skip the pf tek and go to grains and monos immediately.
That was my thing, i was overwhelmed with everything and stuck simple, and now im already doing agar and advanced g2g, taking 2-4 jars and making 4-6monos haha. I couldnt wrap my head around the fact that this is actually really simple procedures, and jumping to rye/wbs/bulk right away is actually not hard/bad thing at all. And totally worth it, just find proper information and do your research and experiment
I think a lot of people see it as a wall of text. I'm thinking about making a picture/diagram and then having links to explain each step in more detail. Spawn and bulk is pretty simple but I do admit I was like WTF am I reading about when I first got into it. I was all confused about ratios/coir/grains/spawning etc...
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The Sirens Call of automation drove me to waste money, time, and energy on gadgets, electric devices, and other materials.
Primarily, what a good FC actually means. I have come to understand that a good FC means proper FAE and RH.
It took several really complex, yet poor, setups to realize the simplicity of monotubs and SGFC's is where it's at.
Everyone seems to need to make their own mistakes with a SGFC everyone is afraid of doing work, but in reality it's less work to do it right. You're actually doing more work setting up an automated SGFC than it would take to just make a SGFC. I don't know why misting and fanning are so aversive to new growers 
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read read read, eventually got it, with a few lingering questions. now i get why isolation is important and why that will give the best results under like circumstances. i just love this stuff. 
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Pretty much. I don't hate on the people that want to do some PF cakes for a while though. but seriously a PC is where it is at.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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the major things i see people do on here over and over is over think shit
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
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If you were building your own airplane you would make sure every little bolt and washer was perfect. It's flying because of trial and error(evolution) and people with experience have delivered the directions and parts in a good working state so you can fly safely. Obviously there can be improvements made but when you're the one making a airplane from a kit you're probably not in the best position to start tacking on upgrades.
When you don't have your own experience you should find something your gut tells you is trustworthy through your own investigation. Use the people who developed it's experience and let that guide you without throwing in your own gut feelings because they've likely had the same ones and figured out already that that didn't work. Then you'll develop your own experience and be able to branch out and continue the evolution of your craft.
When starting out it's best to follow the tek directions to the T. This will help us with any diagnosis if you run into a problem and need to ask for help on here in your own thread.
Obviously mushrooms are not as dangerous to fail as a failure in an airplane but you're making food that you eat here so please follow directions until you have your own experience to rely on.
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AGREED!!! Follow THE TEK to T!!!
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Pretty much. I don't hate on the people that want to do some PF cakes for a while though. but seriously a PC is where it is at.
This is more for the person that's been doing the PF tek for 6 mo. And likes the hobby enough to think about investing. At that point. Don't think do. Lol
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: magickspore]
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Probably the fact that back in 03 everyone was fruiting in rubbermaids but with no holes like a sgfc.. it seemed to work well at the time.. but works a hell of alot better with the 1/4" holes drilled in the tubs!!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: SamhainJ]
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Pasteurization. Fricking pasteurization lol.
I went through a 45lb bag of wbs (with my last 16 jars just noc'd up 2 days ago) with only one flush... And that was on my first try when I did a damn BUCKET TEK!!!.
I just NOW reading this thread found out that outside temp dont mean shit!
Ok so one more quick question and I really hope you guys dont mind but...
I was having such trouble that I baught a induction burner that I can set exact temperature on. Can i set to 160 and just leave for work? Or is there a point above the ninety minutes you want to pasteurize that it becomes bad.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Valyr]
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there's a point where it goes bad, do it when you have the time
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Valyr]
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Valyr said: Pasteurization. Fricking pasteurization lol.
I went through a 45lb bag of wbs (with my last 16 jars just noc'd up 2 days ago) with only one flush... And that was on my first try when I did a damn BUCKET TEK!!!.
I just NOW reading this thread found out that outside temp dont mean shit!
Ok so one more quick question and I really hope you guys dont mind but...
I was having such trouble that I baught a induction burner that I can set exact temperature on. Can i set to 160 and just leave for work? Or is there a point above the ninety minutes you want to pasteurize that it becomes bad.
yea you don't want to pasteurize too long.
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Yes, don't exceed 2 hours. You want some of the microbes to survive because they help to keep the substrate 'alive' and resistant to molds.
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What a horrible way to ruin a steak. A rare steak should be cooked well on the outside and raw or nearly raw inside. If it's merrily warmed to the same temperature all the way through, blah. RR
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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Ok so dont leave substrate within proper pasteurization temp ranges for more than 2hrs . Thanks. Awesome thread bod 
And what tempurature do you think the center should be at before shutting off water to stop the boiling and avoid sterlizing the sub? I know it will still raise some after shutting off the stove. The meat thermometers I baught start reading at 120 is that sufficient?
Or does it matter how long it takes to get to pasteurization temp? We established that we dont want to leave it there too long but say I were to set my temp to that 160 and just let it slow raise to core temp to 140 then start the timer would it matter any? This obviously would take longer than using boiling water.
And one last question and ill stop jacking your post lol. Would it be beneficial to let things germinate for a day or whatnot befoer pasteurizing substrate? Sorta like the soak on wbs.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Valyr]
#19272746 - 12/13/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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People misusing terms like bulk sub and spawn, and casing. They mix em all up and it was hard to get em straight, especially since alot of those were in random threads I read for fun and most of the teks I was reading were just pf variations.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: JPDancer]
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the hardest part for me was not diving right in, i did my homework for a long time before i started anything and jumped right into grains and agar, unfortunately my grain choice was popcorn and my agar was just brf/water but it got the job done and gave me a good understanding of everything and how it works and by the time my first fruits came i had already done proper dishes which i used to inoculate proper grains with sfd's and not pollyfill, but i followed every tek to the t and never made my own adjustments
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: newera]
#19278349 - 12/15/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Valyr said: Ok so dont leave substrate within proper pasteurization temp ranges for more than 2hrs . Thanks. Awesome thread bod 
And what tempurature do you think the center should be at before shutting off water to stop the boiling and avoid sterlizing the sub? I know it will still raise some after shutting off the stove. The meat thermometers I baught start reading at 120 is that sufficient?
Or does it matter how long it takes to get to pasteurization temp? We established that we dont want to leave it there too long but say I were to set my temp to that 160 and just let it slow raise to core temp to 140 then start the timer would it matter any? This obviously would take longer than using boiling water.
And one last question and ill stop jacking your post lol. Would it be beneficial to let things germinate for a day or whatnot befoer pasteurizing substrate? Sorta like the soak on wbs.
I use very hot tap water into pre-chopped coir. The coir breaks apart way easily if you put a knife in on the side. It flakes off in layers. My tap water is always around 120-150F for some reason. I load the hydrated coir/verm into jars and put it into a big pot with water that's already at ~180F My core comes up to 140F in maybe 15-20M usually. The water in my pot stays hot enough and the jars stay above 140F for an hour and I call it a day. You might have to do some experimenting to get it done right though.
You could alternatively leave them in 160F water for hours and hours if you want but then you'll still want to make sure to not leave it too long once it's up to temperature in the core.
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JPDancer said: People misusing terms like bulk sub and spawn, and casing. They mix em all up and it was hard to get em straight, especially since alot of those were in random threads I read for fun and most of the teks I was reading were just pf variations.
Yea, That's why I'm always trying to link the new members to TEKs that are very very clear and explanatory
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newera said: the hardest part for me was not diving right in, i did my homework for a long time before i started anything and jumped right into grains and agar, unfortunately my grain choice was popcorn and my agar was just brf/water but it got the job done and gave me a good understanding of everything and how it works and by the time my first fruits came i had already done proper dishes which i used to inoculate proper grains with sfd's and not pollyfill, but i followed every tek to the t and never made my own adjustments
Yea, chances are you're going to make a few mistakes like buying popcorn(most likely due to all the old info that's so easily assessable) but either way you've gotten started and come to the right place to fine tune everything.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: The coir breaks apart way easily if you put a knife in on the side. It flakes off in layers.
That's what I do. I use a screw-driver though because it seems a little safer.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: SpitballJedi]
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bodhisatta said: The coir breaks apart way easily if you put a knife in on the side. It flakes off in layers.
That's what I do. I use a screw-driver though because it seems a little safer.
Whatever works. I use a couple of steak knives but I like to live dangerously
when you lean you can easily break apart coir like this it's all like Fuck my first attempts at trying to hack the shit to pieces against the grain.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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when you lean you can easily break apart coir like this it's all like Fuck my first attempts at trying to hack the shit to pieces against the grain.
haha. Sweet thanks alot bod. Thats awesome information . SO the water you put it in is already at 180. Do you shut the heat source off once you put the sub in or maintain it? Im assuming you probably shutoff since you dont want the sub to go above 170 but figure ill ask just to be safe. Only stupid question is an unasked question right?
Ive always used steak knives from the side too. Still think thats a pain but Ive never done it another way so I guess I dont know what pain is lol.
Thanks again for your help shroomery! I so hope i get it right this time lol. ONce i get a hang of this hobby Im so makin shit tons of spore prints for this forum.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Valyr]
#19278555 - 12/15/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have a gas stove, sometimes I'll leave the flame on so it's just barely staying lit. The temperature of the water actually drops just more slowly. By the time the water bath is down to 160(from the starting 180) my jars are about 140F and then they stay in that 140-160 range for an hour without any maintenance. Depends on how hot my jars are before I put them in my water bath(tap water temp is always different, this apartment blows) Usually I can turn it off or just leave it on very very low.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Valyr]
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The fruiting stage, and getting all that stuff down about proportions of moisture, evaporation, fresh air, and especially getting over a tendency to over-mist.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blckmynnse8]
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blckmynnse8 said: The fruiting stage, and getting all that stuff down about proportions of moisture, evaporation, fresh air, and especially getting over a tendency to over-mist.
Yea, Like I say practice is the hard part. Once you practice doing the stuff comes easy. No one likes to have trial and error since no one likes to see a failed grow. Everyone wants it to go 100% perfect the first time and this kind of gets in most peoples way. You really just have to do it a lot and get a feel for it. Using words only tells half the story your eyes will see.
This is why taking very detailed good notes on your own grows is a great idea.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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For me, still kind of an advanced noob that just done his first g2g a couple days ago,
The hardest things for me to wrap my head around is agar procedure, proper pasteurization, and gathering up to date pertinent information.
Like I just realized I can make my own spawn bags from oven bags, rtv silicone, and an sfd or tyvek.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blojo02184]
#19278649 - 12/15/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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blojo02184 said: For me, still kind of an advanced noob that just done his first g2g a couple days ago,
The hardest things for me to wrap my head around is agar procedure, proper pasteurization, and gathering up to date pertinent information.
Like I just realized I can make my own spawn bags from oven bags, rtv silicone, and an sfd or tyvek.

yea I was pretty timid about pouring agar in a SAB. Trying to fuck around with no pour shit for weeks and then I finally just did it and actually had better results anyway.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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Sweet. I have an electric not a gas but I think I can make it work from what you have told me so far lol . Or once I get my induction ready stockpot should be alot easier too. I actually have my own house so I can fuck with the water heater and set the temp to whatever I want though i keep it quite hot anyways. Hot enough so it will burn you if you dont turn cold on with the hot.
Dont know how she does it but the gf insists it stays like that. She takes all hot showers and comes out lookin like a cooked lobster lol. Needless to say ive never hopped in with her ;p
Yep prints! And you, cronicr and pastywhyte are picking the first three strains for me to grow and make prints with (all one grow ofcourse just 3 tubs) since you guys help me repeatedly lol. That is assuming you all live where it is legal for me to supply prints to you through the mail ofcourse .
Ok enough off topic stuff. Lets get the thread back to what its meant to be. One final thanks . Really appreciate people like you bod that go out of there way to help newbs find, experience and succeed at this great hobby. Shrooms for you.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Valyr]
#19278747 - 12/15/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I love mushrooms any mycology so much I just want to help others be successful. Most of the time I just leave shroomery open in a tab and check it every few minutes. I'll do that while I'm working on some mycology stuff or waiting for a PC cycle or something. Most of the time I just smoke a lot of weed.
my wife likes to take way way way too hot of showers too  I'm always like OW FUCK jesus christ you're going to get blisters.
I actually took a reading of my tap water on its hottest setting it's coming out at 140.2F today
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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Not letting the million and one internet opinions confuse me.
Just find/ pick a good source and stick with it, don't cobble together some random, frankenstein tek from odd advice found here or there. Or, if you do, and it fails, don't blame the tek that the majority of your process came from ( or the vendor yo got your spores from )...and then try out / modify some new tek.
It'll probably take you a few tries to get it right...using the same good tek. So, choose a good one, and try to perfect that process. Take notes and try try try again again. That way you can compare your results across similar 'parameters.' or sumthin.
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pretty much. Frankenstein two or more teks doesn't usually work well. Try one, post results, get feedback, then try something else if you can't get it to work out well.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blojo02184]
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blojo02184 said: For me, still kind of an advanced noob that just done his first g2g a couple days ago,
The hardest things for me to wrap my head around is agar procedure, proper pasteurization, and gathering up to date pertinent information.
Like I just realized I can make my own spawn bags from oven bags, rtv silicone, and an sfd or tyvek.

I would strongly encourage you to simply purchase spawn bags. They're a lot more durable, a LOT more, they don't require work to use, though you may still want to put a SHIP on it with silicone, and most of all they're also a lot cheaper than oven bags.
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blojo02184 said: For me, still kind of an advanced noob that just done his first g2g a couple days ago,
The hardest things for me to wrap my head around is agar procedure, proper pasteurization, and gathering up to date pertinent information.
Like I just realized I can make my own spawn bags from oven bags, rtv silicone, and an sfd or tyvek.

I would strongly encourage you to simply purchase spawn bags. They're a lot more durable, a LOT more, they don't require work to use, though you may still want to put a SHIP on it with silicone, and most of all they're also a lot cheaper than oven bags.
Excuse the noobness, SHIP?
and re-usable also??
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blojo02184]
#19280158 - 12/15/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19280184 - 12/15/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pressure cooker needs a new gasket, or it's just fucked.
Tried lubing it up too.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19280186 - 12/15/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19280196 - 12/15/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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damn gaskets cost half as much as I paid for it haha.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19280204 - 12/15/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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my old pc was from the 80's with the rubber gaskets you could stretch out, lasted me over 5 years and who knows how many before i even got it
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blojo02184]
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blojo02184 said: For me, still kind of an advanced noob that just done his first g2g a couple days ago,
The hardest things for me to wrap my head around is agar procedure, proper pasteurization, and gathering up to date pertinent information.
Like I just realized I can make my own spawn bags from oven bags, rtv silicone, and an sfd or tyvek.

I would strongly encourage you to simply purchase spawn bags. They're a lot more durable, a LOT more, they don't require work to use, though you may still want to put a SHIP on it with silicone, and most of all they're also a lot cheaper than oven bags.
Excuse the noobness, SHIP?
and re-usable also??
You could reuse them, but I wouldn't recommend it. Do you reuse oven bags? I've tried oven bags in the past and quickly abandoned that idea because I'd have too many of them break on me. Spawn bags are also a lot bigger, maybe 2-4x the size of the turkey sized oven bags from reynolds.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: krypto2000]
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That totally helps Krypto, Thanks man!!!!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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Answering the questions of these nosy ass snitch for nothing ass because they are hating ass people that don't want to take responsibility and admit they created their problems and want to bring you down when you for busting your ass and earning your rewards.Quote:
bodhisatta said: When you were a noob, what was the hardest thing cultivation,mycology,task,etc... to wrap your head around?
For some it might be agar, or grain to grain, perhaps how to put holes into a SGFC, or what to do for lighting etc...[/url]
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Enigma1]
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: krypto2000]
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I live in a small town around nosy haters who work at the place I buy my supplies or use to.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: 36fuckin5]
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Pretty much sums up my experiences 100%
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
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don't blame the tek that the majority of your process came from ( or the vendor yo got your spores from ).
That is, as long as you are buying from a REPUTABLE vendor. I know from firsthand experience that there are companies out there that will sell you some half-dead garbage that will barely colonize and then decompose when you try to fruit. You cannot even complain to them either, if you do they will kindly remind you that their products are "for endoscopy use only."
Fortunately companies like that are in the minority and there are plenty of awesome vendors to go to.
That all leads me to my hardest thing to figure out: that shitty stock will not fruit no matter what you do for it, whereas quality culture practically grows itself.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
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36fuckin5 said: The hardest part for me was testing every method I could find until I finally conceded that it doesn't get any better than a tub with some holes in it.
Pretty much sums up my experiences 100%
Yeah definitely this ^^^ Everyone (including myself) always thinks they can reinvent the wheel when in reality nothing rolls better than a circle
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Stromrider]
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i have yet to hit that point. im still on the PMP kick myself.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blojo02184]
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For me it was how to put together a monotub. I saw the teks for spawn, I saw the teks for substrate, and I saw teks for monotubs. They all made sense. but I never saw a tek that illustrated exactly how to put all three together. Then one day I finally stumbled into a thread with a step by step pics and it made sense.
The other was how sterility works. It wasn't until a poster here explained how contaminants are heavier than air so they fall down and settle in still air, that it all clicked.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: krypto2000]
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Next time use vinegar on mold instead of bleach. Works better anyway.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: redflackal]
#19282408 - 12/16/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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don't blame the tek that the majority of your process came from ( or the vendor yo got your spores from ).
That is, as long as you are buying from a REPUTABLE vendor. I know from firsthand experience that there are companies out there that will sell you some half-dead garbage that will barely colonize and then decompose when you try to fruit. You cannot even complain to them either, if you do they will kindly remind you that their products are "for endoscopy use only."
Fortunately companies like that are in the minority and there are plenty of awesome vendors to go to.
That all leads me to my hardest thing to figure out: that shitty stock will not fruit no matter what you do for it, whereas quality culture practically grows itself.
True. Good point. But if you're buying from a reputable vendor and it's your 1st time growing... at least chalk it up as 50/50 chance it was actually your technique that needed improvement.
I mean what percentage succeed in this hobby the very first time? 1? 2? 3?
And yet, what percent of angry complaints in the vendor forum are new people to this hobby? 90? 80?
See what I'm saying? Of course, saying 'it's a vendor, buy more spores'... just helps the vendors, albeit not the poor vendor doing his/her job that you bought from the first time. It keeps new people from getting discouraged, I guess.
So, there's always that...
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: SuperSillyUs]
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I agree, new growers need to do way more research. "My popcorn and dog shit cakes won't make shrooms! They're the penis species and I put them in an aquarium with my beta fish! I probably got bad spores from this vendor." If noobies do their research they'll be fine. I got an ounce off my first grow in a 10 gallon monotub.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Sgt. Pepper] 1
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I learned that a good pressure cooker pays for itself in no time.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19282606 - 12/16/13 06:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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"I ordered a syringe and it's dark as hell. Obvious contamination from bad vendor. "
"I ordered from XYZ spores for my very first grow attempt (LC like a boss!) Open air in my filthy ass bedroom after wiping syringe on ma dick. Guess wut? it contam'd. After flooding XYZ with hate mail I've come to the seasoned conclusion: XYZ is a bad vendor, horrible human being and a fucking asshole to boot."
- - - - - I have actually seen these complaints (too dark of syringes / LC on 1st grow) in the vendor section with the vendor getting heat for failed grows.
P.S. I second the pressure cooker advice.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Stromrider]
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36fuckin5 said: The hardest part for me was testing every method I could find until I finally conceded that it doesn't get any better than a tub with some holes in it.
Pretty much sums up my experiences 100%
Yeah definitely this ^^^ Everyone (including myself) always thinks they can reinvent the wheel when in reality nothing rolls better than a circle 
Definitely hardest thing for me to learn, that and proper sterile technique
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blueconfusion]
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Well thus far I've learned that If you are clean, and your master specimen whether it be MS, LC, or print Is put into a moist nutrient rich substrate it will make the effort. If you can get said substrate to fully colonize before it either dries out, or contams then it will ultimately fruit. As the new guy around here what seems to give me the most problems is consistency. And I wonder how much individual strain variety affects everything?
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: redflackal]
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First thing I did before ever purchasing anything I layed on the couch and watched Lets Grow Mushrooms 10000 times yes that many. Then came time to buy supplies well Im a cheap bastard who buys everything off the internet to avoid leaving the house. I noticed that I could buy spores off ebay super cheap were talking 6-9.00 Anybody who happens to read this DONT DO IT, yes just go ahead spend a little more money and buy from a rec commended vendor Shroomery has some really good sponsors. Your end result in this hobby well in life in general will yield a result based on the amount of time, effort and love put into it.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: redflackal]
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Thats funny, Im too new to put down anyone, but will say in my limited experience Ralphster seems reputable, only time I've had issue was with spores 101 but in their defense although there was a mixup they ended up fixing it, and doing me right.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: hbettag]
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I thought I was helping and being polite, ...should've been nicer I guess.
Anyways, yeah. Took me like 5 or 6 failed attempts to hit paydirt. And, I'm sure I was skeptical of the vendors then as well.
Something I had to learn to relax on: It was my own newbishness to blame. Getting pissy with vendors helps no one. Certainly didn't help me improve my technique...
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No worries. We all do dumb shit sometimes. Especially when ignorance is rampant
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Stromrider]
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abltsandwich said: For me it was how to put together a monotub. I saw the teks for spawn, I saw the teks for substrate, and I saw teks for monotubs. They all made sense. but I never saw a tek that illustrated exactly how to put all three together. Then one day I finally stumbled into a thread with a step by step pics and it made sense.
The other was how sterility works. It wasn't until a poster here explained how contaminants are heavier than air so they fall down and settle in still air, that it all clicked.
Yea I think we need some good diagrams on sterility and how it all works in conjunction with our mycology efforts
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Sgt. Pepper said: I agree, new growers need to do way more research. "My popcorn and dog shit cakes won't make shrooms! They're the penis species and I put them in an aquarium with my beta fish! I probably got bad spores from this vendor." If noobies do their research they'll be fine. I got an ounce off my first grow in a 10 gallon monotub.
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MustardTiger66 said: I learned that a good pressure cooker pays for itself in no time.
I always wonder how people find the garbage without finding the good info
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hbettag said: Well thus far I've learned that If you are clean, and your master specimen whether it be MS, LC, or print Is put into a moist nutrient rich substrate it will make the effort. If you can get said substrate to fully colonize before it either dries out, or contams then it will ultimately fruit. As the new guy around here what seems to give me the most problems is consistency. And I wonder how much individual strain variety affects everything?
consistency is key, keep good notes, but strain is nearly everything if you want consistency of your grow
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hbettag said: First thing I did before ever purchasing anything I layed on the couch and watched Lets Grow Mushrooms 10000 times yes that many. Then came time to buy supplies well Im a cheap bastard who buys everything off the internet to avoid leaving the house. I noticed that I could buy spores off ebay super cheap were talking 6-9.00 Anybody who happens to read this DONT DO IT, yes just go ahead spend a little more money and buy from a rec commended vendor Shroomery has some really good sponsors. Your end result in this hobby well in life in general will yield a result based on the amount of time, effort and love put into it.
Yea don't get spores from the cheap place. There is some skill involved with getting you a good syringe.
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Stromrider said: No worries. We all do dumb shit sometimes. Especially when ignorance is rampant
I learned trying to help out noobs can get you flamed super hard by the one guy that just doesn't want to listen. haha Kind of like this Flames
I like how this thread is coming along
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Stromrider]
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There's a lotta fucking assholes attracted to this hobby. ha ha ha. ...which always makes the nice ones seem that much nicer...
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta] 1
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I haven't grown yet but the main problem I've been trying to solve is growing in a cold country (UK) where its too expensive to heat houses to 70 degrees.
There is so much conflicting information and opinions and it would help so many people if someone was able to put together a "Cold Country Tek" giving reliable information on heating from inoculation to fruiting without the usual "heat the room not the tub" remark.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
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You can make an incubator to heat your jars, but ultimately you'll need a heated fruiting chamber and the only reliable way to do that without spending more than it's worth is to heat the room. Otherwise you might as well be asking how to grow plants in the dark.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: krypto2000]
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How cold are we talkin here 60-65F? cause you could still probably grow in that, would just be slow as hell and a space heater to warm up the room a bit would probably help. But if your colder than that indoors I'd say it must be hard to sleep in a parka with winter boots on.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: krypto2000]
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Thanks Krypto, yeah that has been the general consensus.
The only tek I can find that looks hopeful is Magash's PMP combined with a tub in tub. It's a large initial outlay to get the thing set up but it seems to be the only Tek that is possible to heat to maintain the required temperature for fruiting without heating the whole room.
Pastywyte, my evening temps are about 65F dropping to 58F after 12pm then daytime temps of around 53F until the heating comes on in the evening.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
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Wow that sux balls. I like a pretty frigid climate but if I ever let the heat go that low I'd have 2 very sad dogs and one pissed of wife.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pastywhyte said: Wow that sux balls. I like a pretty frigid climate but if I ever let the heat go that low I'd have 2 very sad dogs and one pissed of wife.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Pastywhyte]
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You should check out frank's tub in tub incubator. In most situation, new growers are heating their tubs to 90 degrees and really fucking stuff up so they are generally not recommended, but they have been known to cut a day or two off of colonization times when they are used properly in circumstances such as yours.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
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Haha Yeah it's pretty nippy here. I don't have a very well paying job so can't afford to keep the heating on all the time, but it's quite comfortable once you're used to the temp and you put an extra jumper on.
I have been using a TIT for incubating and had no problems so far but due to the temps I'm afraid it is gonna have to be a PMP with TIT for fruiting.
God I envy you yanks who are living in warmer climates!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
#19285593 - 12/16/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SuperSillyUs said: There's a lotta fucking assholes attracted to this hobby. ha ha ha. ...which always makes the nice ones seem that much nicer...
Like EMF, well he is a pub dweller I suppose...
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Mushroon said: Thanks Krypto, yeah that has been the general consensus.
The only tek I can find that looks hopeful is Magash's PMP combined with a tub in tub. It's a large initial outlay to get the thing set up but it seems to be the only Tek that is possible to heat to maintain the required temperature for fruiting without heating the whole room.
Pastywyte, my evening temps are about 65F dropping to 58F after 12pm then daytime temps of around 53F until the heating comes on in the evening.
It's hitting 53 indoors in the daytime in the UK? Wow socialism isn't working well for you guys
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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If no one is home why would you run the heating? It picks up to normal temps pretty quickly again once the heating comes on at 1630.
By the way thanks for not shouting out "do a SGFC" at the the first mention of a PMP!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
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It's pretty cold here as well, I now strictly place all my projects in the cabinet above the fridge. It does take longer there to colonize however I found it's all trade off, so even though it takes a little longer it is completely effective method (even in winter) and is thus far contam free way of doing it. Last summer thought I'd be all inspector gadget lol made heat bombs, heating pads lining walls in closets blah blah blah. Im a noob and easiest safest ample heat, cabinet above fridge. And another by doing that way I dont use any additional electric.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: hbettag]
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Honestly, if I were in that situation, I'd set up a couple TiT incubators. Run your spawn on the shelf or whatever. Do invitro bags in the incubators. I would make a shitload of LC, from agar wedges, do up some jars for tests, find the clean ones and inoculate bags filled with PF mix for invitro fruiting in 5 micron bags. If you have a flowhood, you could inoculate quart jars with agar then inoculate bags of bulk substrate with those.
Either way, if you can't heat the room and only need a personal amount, invitro bags in a carefully monitored TiT can work. You can even open them to fan & mist when you get a chance.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pastywhyte said: Wow that sux balls. I like a pretty frigid climate but if I ever let the heat go that low I'd have 2 very sad dogs and one pissed of wife.
Same here, minus 2 dogs.
365's advice sounds reasonable LOGICALLY, logically does not mean practically.
I do trust 365's advice, along with almost everything I've read here for answers to problems. So from one noobie to another noobie, take this as wisdom.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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I'm on my 3rd try on growing, and the previous times I have failed miserably due to my pasteurization being... "less-than-optimal", to call it somehow. It's hard to get it right!
I think it's also difficult to fall in the tentation to try to be innovative. I now believe it's is better to stick to the easy, simple and proven -as well as economic- techniques, and master them FIRST, before attempting to invent something new. I know we all want to be very special and innovative and all that shit, but as some people said before: in the end, for most growers, nothing beats a tub with a few holes.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Honguista]
#19286614 - 12/16/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I was an initiate in this hobby, my biggest challenge was knowing where to get my information. You can't even begin to understand how much false information is being spread until you actually go through the ropes a few times and get a good understanding of what's going on.
It's so easy to fall into those traps. I can't tell you how long it took me to finally understand the difference between Casing and Spawning to bulk substrate, the terms keep being interchanged.
Also, learning how to use the search function properly... that's the key! At first I kept getting bogged down with old posts and threads, trying to integrate knowledge from the old ways with the new ways can be confusing, it's crazy to see how much knowledge and protocol has evolved in only a few years.
And lastly, you need to get to know which community members information you can trust. 
Anyways, I'm not sure this even answers your question seeing as it pertains to mostly common sense... but it's impossible to get anywhere without it!
Good vibes y'all!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
#19286931 - 12/17/13 02:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why can't you just put a space heater in the room? It can't be that expensive. My house gets below freezing sometimes, the other day I could see my breath in the living room lol. I have a space heater in my grow room, and right now maxed out in the mid of winter at night it can't even hold 70f .
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: krypto2000]
#19287088 - 12/17/13 04:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The wee oil heater would have to run non stop to keep my room warm. At 2500 watts that will work out quite expensive over the course of a 6-8 week grow and like you just said your heater is struggling to keep the temp up.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
#19287138 - 12/17/13 04:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Have you tried the Tub-In-Tub idea? Beats warming the whole room, maybe use the same tub for the fruiting chamber? If all else fails I mean.
Search 'Tit' (be sure to click trusted cultivator or you'll just get page upon page of mammalian teat talk.) or 'Tub in Tub'. 'Newer than 2 years' to filter old information, etc in Advanced Search. Good luck. 
Links: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17954773#17954773 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18823894#18823894
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: SuperSillyUs]
#19287652 - 12/17/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah that's the tek I'm following, until warmer weather I'll be stuck using this tek I think.
I'm really aware this thread has become diverted because of my comments. How about we get it back on track…
What info do you wish you had known before you started?
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
#19287787 - 12/17/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mushroon said: The wee oil heater would have to run non stop to keep my room warm. At 2500 watts that will work out quite expensive over the course of a 6-8 week grow and like you just said your heater is struggling to keep the temp up.
Are you sure? I'm using a 1500w electric heater, which is rather old and probably not as efficient as something newer, and definitely not as efficient as oil. Mine certainly grows just fine, if it's ~40f out it will reach the mid 70's in the day and the coldest I've seen it drop to is 67 at night and that's when it snowed outside.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: krypto2000]
#19287964 - 12/17/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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For me it was certaintly getting all the right things for a LFH worked out before I bought anything ,and PF tek , tried it once moved to mono
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Kalypto]
#19288970 - 12/17/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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another one that bugged me was the way people made pans sound so hard to grow
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19289142 - 12/17/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: another one that bugged me was the way people made pans sound so hard to grow
Well thats good to know. Pans interest me.
I like this thread.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19289572 - 12/17/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: another one that bugged me was the way people made pans sound so hard to grow
I just bought some pan cyan and pan trop spores, any suggestions?
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19289585 - 12/17/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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360 innoculations 2 inch sub depth 1/4 inch casing layer fruit as soon as you apply the casing stop misting when pins form lots of pics print in your fc more pics
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
#19289725 - 12/17/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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And then send this guy a pan print so that I can
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cronicr said: 360 innoculations 2 inch sub depth 1/4 inch casing layer fruit as soon as you apply the casing stop misting when pins form lots of pics print in your fc more pics


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Mushroon said: Yeah that's the tek I'm following, until warmer weather I'll be stuck using this tek I think.
I'm really aware this thread has become diverted because of my comments. How about we get it back on track…
What info do you wish you had known before you started?
It's cool. It's not that derailed.
I wish I wasn't ignorant about grow kits when I first started. What a bad place to start at.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19289787 - 12/17/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: 360 innoculations 2 inch sub depth 1/4 inch casing layer fruit as soon as you apply the casing stop misting when pins form lots of pics print in your fc more pics

That was immensely helpful. Have you ever done a monotub with pans?
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19289809 - 12/17/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes i have but i prefer smaller trays in a sgfc, it's easier to water them once pins form using a syringe, wet feet-dry head i took my top holes out of my mono all together once i put it into fruiting and removed the bottom holes once it pinned
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19290003 - 12/17/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome, I have always been a monotub guy and I have no experience with the shotgun so I'd like to avoid it if possible. You've honestly been more helpful than most of my searches and most threads I've made on the topic.     for you!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19290018 - 12/17/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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np!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19290022 - 12/17/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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And awesome profile pic!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19290030 - 12/17/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry guys what does it mean by 360 inoculations?
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
#19290035 - 12/17/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think he's saying you want to spray all around the jar with your inoculate. That way the spores/lc have more places to take off from.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19290039 - 12/17/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sgt. Pepper said: Awesome, I have always been a monotub guy and I have no experience with the shotgun so I'd like to avoid it if possible. You've honestly been more helpful than most of my searches and most threads I've made on the topic.     for you!
I'm glad this thread is helping some people out. I'm getting plenty of good ideas for my in the works noob guide book.
Also any one that posts something useful or on topic here is getting a +5 if I haven't already done so.
a 360 inoculation is all the way around.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19290053 - 12/17/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah ok so you just spray that shit alllll over the grain
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
#19290077 - 12/17/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mushroon said: Ah ok so you just spray that shit alllll over the grain 
 bod i like this thread!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
#19290085 - 12/17/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mushroon said: Ah ok so you just spray that shit alllll over the grain 
Yep! But make sure it doesn't over saturate the grains. To test a lc I made, I once put some verm on the bottom of half pint wbs jars so I could inject 5cc's per jar. They sure did colonize fast. Haha.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19290221 - 12/17/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Misting and FAE tips.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: budkatz]
#19290570 - 12/17/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm close to being done with my first grow, the worst thing for me was I had no clue what 1:2 2:3 meant, finally learned, leading me to the next one, how substrate depth affects the mushrooms. other then those everything's been really easy thanks to the search bar and a few of you.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: TeaSippinHippie]
#19290582 - 12/17/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its all the little things that make the diffrence in our hobby.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19290870 - 12/17/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn this thread blew up!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Stromrider]
#19292750 - 12/18/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said:
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Mushroon said: Ah ok so you just spray that shit alllll over the grain 
 bod i like this thread!

I'm glad you're around often in here.
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budkatz said: Misting and FAE tips.
I did a write up of some of that stuff in my help thread(first link in my signature) I'm in the process of migrating it to my journal with some improvements
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TeaSippinHippie said: I'm close to being done with my first grow, the worst thing for me was I had no clue what 1:2 2:3 meant, finally learned, leading me to the next one, how substrate depth affects the mushrooms. other then those everything's been really easy thanks to the search bar and a few of you.
good old spawn ratios.
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Stromrider said: Damn this thread blew up!
you're telling me
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19293717 - 12/18/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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tip# 10004, don't judge people on here by there post count! there are people that have 30 000 posts in the otd and know nuthing about mushrooms
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: budkatz]
#19293780 - 12/18/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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budkatz said: Misting and FAE tips.
I'm a noob, and I was going to say this.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19293948 - 12/18/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: tip# 10004, don't judge people on here by there post count! there are people that have 30 000 posts in the otd and know nuthing about mushrooms
Like dis guy.....
Just kidding
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: FrogMachine]
#19293966 - 12/18/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ooo. I got one! When I first started I didn't really understand the air flow in a shotgun fruiting chamber. I didn't understand how humidity was supposed to just naturally waft up. I just kind of felt like the air was going to stay completely still. So i fanned a lot in the beginning and ran a humidifier in the room(I actually think that helped because I live in an area of low humidity.)
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19294119 - 12/18/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Still air box should be the very first thing you plan on making/getting. It should be utilized from the instant you unpop a MSS cap. Any amount of randomness can be ruled out simply by not doing ANY open air inoculations.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19294182 - 12/18/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not to say contam issues don't happen, but as someone who is new, however very dedicated it seems as though a lot of fear mongering goes on, don't have a pc, your screwed, don't use a SAB, your screwed, you got 5 holes in your monotub instead of 4 your screwed, all i'm saying is seems like lot of people want to discourage others away from mycology by spreading fear but probably just my opinion
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: hbettag]
#19294438 - 12/18/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not fear mongering solid advice
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blueconfusion]
#19297802 - 12/19/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here's my solid advice and yes I'm a noob 2nd grow. I just should have read more done more. But it's a learning process in other words individual cases may vary
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: hbettag]
#19297846 - 12/19/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Like the dude who just bumped the old thread lots of people dont know how to make a proper post and a how to ask a q properly tek should be stickied
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: hbettag]
#19301858 - 12/20/13 08:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: tip# 10004, don't judge people on here by there post count! there are people that have 30 000 posts in the otd and know nuthing about mushrooms
Very true lot's of lurkers in the pub eventually come here and think they're king boss with their 10K+ posts.
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budkatz said: Misting and FAE tips.
I'm a noob, and I was going to say this.
yea, it's a big one, I had to help fix two noobs up already today. I come of as a dick I'm sure but I really just want to see people grow the best mushrooms they can with what they have and not spend all their money doing it.
Most of the things are covered in my thread in my signature, and elsewhere. I'm definitely going to revamp everything when I migrate it to my journal.
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elasticaltiger said: Ooo. I got one! When I first started I didn't really understand the air flow in a shotgun fruiting chamber. I didn't understand how humidity was supposed to just naturally waft up. I just kind of felt like the air was going to stay completely still. So i fanned a lot in the beginning and ran a humidifier in the room(I actually think that helped because I live in an area of low humidity.)
hah yea people really doubt how much FAE a SGFC can produce.
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A double outlet 100 gallon aquarium pump in a shotgun terrarium will result in about ten percent of the air exchange you would get naturally, plus destroy the flow of air up through the perlite, causing all sorts of problems. RR
a humidifier in the room is usually a good idea in the winter though. I run one 24/7, it's winter here.
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Whippy said: Still air box should be the very first thing you plan on making/getting. It should be utilized from the instant you unpop a MSS cap. Any amount of randomness can be ruled out simply by not doing ANY open air inoculations.
I did have luck doing open air with syringes back in the day, but I think everyone should get away from syringes ASAP and also use a SAB ASAP
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hbettag said: Not to say contam issues don't happen, but as someone who is new, however very dedicated it seems as though a lot of fear mongering goes on, don't have a pc, your screwed, don't use a SAB, your screwed, you got 5 holes in your monotub instead of 4 your screwed, all i'm saying is seems like lot of people want to discourage others away from mycology by spreading fear but probably just my opinion
some people yes, they're mostly the information-rehash people that' follow the likes of frank and NAH and RR, I try not to be that person, and yes sometimes I am, but for the most part if you can do it and it works but like I say I just want to see noobs get the most up to date info as well as have the best possible chances and understand procedures as well as not develop bad habits that will be spread to more new people.
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hbettag said: Here's my solid advice and yes I'm a noob 2nd grow. I just should have read more done more. But it's a learning process in other words individual cases may vary

The ends justify the means You'll have some killer grows in your future I'm sure
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cronicr said: Like the dude who just bumped the old thread lots of people dont know how to make a proper post and a how to ask a q properly tek should be stickied
yea no shit right
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19302712 - 12/20/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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they have guidlines to make a proper id request in the hunting forum and we should write a how to ask a q and get an answer tek most new users leave out way too much detail not enough pics and post and leave us hanging for hours and come back more confused then when they posted lol
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19303823 - 12/20/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just want to say thanks to all of you guys, although I've been put in my place a time or 2 all in all I've found most of you pretty helpful to us new guys, so thank you.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: hbettag]
#19315737 - 12/23/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: they have guidlines to make a proper id request in the hunting forum and we should write a how to ask a q and get an answer tek most new users leave out way too much detail not enough pics and post and leave us hanging for hours and come back more confused then when they posted lol
Want to work on one with me haha, maybe we can get it stickied.
-I'm semi serious actually- I'm sure NAH and some other people would chime in.
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hbettag said: I just want to say thanks to all of you guys, although I've been put in my place a time or 2 all in all I've found most of you pretty helpful to us new guys, so thank you.
P.S
Below is updated pic today when I got home. lol


sorry for the late reply. Tis the season for not being able to get much done haha. What variety are those?
Looking good 
I've been schooled so many times on here.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19315784 - 12/23/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah man for sure, we'll put our heads together and get something done about it
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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1. There are other fungi other than psychoactive mushrooms 2. There are microfungi like trichoderma, neurospora, and dactylium that can elicit as much fascination as other macrofungi. 3. Realizing you need to beg, borrow, or fight for as large of an autoclave(s) as possible early on with all your heart and soul. 4. Realizing that the 100$ in materials to get started shouldn't be an issue, most of the consumable stuff you need can be pulled from the trash if you are super hard up for start-up cash. 5. Getting information is easy. Buy all of Stamet's books or find the .pdfs until you can afford the books and create an account online and get help from the community. 6. You need to have your own place and learn to keep your mouth shut for security. 7. Don't do it for money, just for enjoyment, there are plenty of things you can do for money. The long term addiction to growing, the money, the stress and extensive paranoia are something you may need an extended decompression for if you stop growing actives for joy and/or money.
Everything else technical can be achieved through following guides, reading, and
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bodhisatta said: When you were a noob, what was the hardest thing cultivation,mycology,task,etc... to wrap your head around?
For some it might be agar, or grain to grain, perhaps how to put holes into a SGFC, or what to do for lighting etc...
I'm mostly going to use this information to feed my how to get started at the shroomery and get the most out of it thread
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: mastercultivator]
#19315869 - 12/23/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
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its weird, I honestly never had much of a problem with contams. From my first grow ive only had to throw something out twice. My problem has always been the balance between RH and FAE.
I also find casing confusing and controversial
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19318606 - 12/23/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well spores 101 had this deal on some white giants something like that, or at least that was the strain it was suppose to be, however these are not that strain, I honestly don't know, I don't like them though,they are super slow to colonize, and as far as potency well lets just say they leave a lot to be desired. Going to go back to Cambodians wish I could get a REPUTABLE spore vendor, in the end they both made it right but so far the 2 I've dealt with just have not been very professional.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: hbettag]
#19318694 - 12/23/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Almost forgot here's couple pics of my round cake second flush first pic is top, second pic is bottom I think it's so neat when they fruit from both top and bottom, the trick is getting them out of casing tray and put into GH without them falling apart lol

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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: hbettag]
#19318931 - 12/23/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My big issue was being stubborn and getting butthurt when people pointed out my flaws...im better now...also fert agar....i listened to anne
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: newera]
#19319918 - 12/24/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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mate, you'll find life in general is sweeter with that attitude. =]
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: J. Jack Flash]
#19320073 - 12/24/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anne is the worst dont listen to what she says IMO
There is a reason frank a TC has a link to ignore her in his sig
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Kalypto]
#19321484 - 12/24/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Always take things in the absolute most positive way possible. BE FEARLESS. BE CONFIDENT. Never let others get you down. Hell, never let yourself down. Stay positive and learn from failures. Hard work always pays off, if you let it. This is the alpha way of living. If a chick talks shit to you or tries to embarrass you... keep your frame (don't let it effect you) and tell her something even more fucked up with a smirk on your face. Or be above her and just don't even acknowledge what she said, kinda roll your eyes and continue on. She might slap you but she'll be thinking about you as she rubs one out that night. This is life in general. Always keep your frame. Know that you're the man. Walk balls first, but always use your head. There is nothing in life to fear, but ALWAYS be smart.
If you're a girl, ignore all of this. Act coy, but always be internally confident and fearless. Use your beliefs to control your emotions. You are an emotionally driven creature. Do not let your ego trick you into thinking you have control. You do not. The only controls you have are your beliefs and prayer (does matter who/what you pray to.) Be careful who you hang out with and your environment in general. You WILL be effected by social pressure. Hell, I'd say the biggest driving force for women is social pressure. Be aware of your social environment and if its not preferable to you, change it. Quit hanging out with dense chicks, quit watching TV, etc.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: crackacola]
#19329887 - 12/26/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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gman7104 said: its weird, I honestly never had much of a problem with contams. From my first grow ive only had to throw something out twice. My problem has always been the balance between RH and FAE.
I also find casing confusing and controversial
I don't often have contam problems, I had a run of "cobweb" showing up in my grain jars for a little while but I suspect it was my agar and unskilled noob eyes, I've since not had problems with competing molds. I did however just have a couple of jars of spawn go bacterial but I only pressure cooked them 60M I put a picture in my shoebox thread of those bacterial spawn jars results after being spawned they still actually did quite well.
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hbettag said: Well spores 101 had this deal on some white giants something like that, or at least that was the strain it was suppose to be, however these are not that strain, I honestly don't know, I don't like them though,they are super slow to colonize, and as far as potency well lets just say they leave a lot to be desired. Going to go back to Cambodians wish I could get a REPUTABLE spore vendor, in the end they both made it right but so far the 2 I've dealt with just have not been very professional.
Everyone has had problems with spores 101 it seems, use a shroomery vendor. The name on the syringe has little to do with things like potency and speed, you'll have to get into agar work to isolate good strains from any variety of cubensis syringe.
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newera said: My big issue was being stubborn and getting butthurt when people pointed out my flaws...im better now...also fert agar....i listened to anne
I was once there too, things have gotten a lot better.
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crackacola said: Always take things in the absolute most positive way possible. BE FEARLESS. BE CONFIDENT. Never let others get you down. Hell, never let yourself down. Stay positive and learn from failures. Hard work always pays off, if you let it. This is the alpha way of living. If a chick talks shit to you or tries to embarrass you... keep your frame (don't let it effect you) and tell her something even more fucked up with a smirk on your face. Or be above her and just don't even acknowledge what she said, kinda roll your eyes and continue on. She might slap you but she'll be thinking about you as she rubs one out that night. This is life in general. Always keep your frame. Know that you're the man. Walk balls first, but always use your head. There is nothing in life to fear, but ALWAYS be smart.
If you're a girl, ignore all of this. Act coy, but always be internally confident and fearless. Use your beliefs to control your emotions. You are an emotionally driven creature. Do not let your ego trick you into thinking you have control. You do not. The only controls you have are your beliefs and prayer (does matter who/what you pray to.) Be careful who you hang out with and your environment in general. You WILL be effected by social pressure. Hell, I'd say the biggest driving force for women is social pressure. Be aware of your social environment and if its not preferable to you, change it. Quit hanging out with dense chicks, quit watching TV, etc.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19343890 - 12/29/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bring this one back up for the nightly crowd.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19343905 - 12/29/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19343921 - 12/29/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19344037 - 12/29/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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one thing i see alot of is people coming here(new members) and reading the mushroom info section which in my opinion is filled with too many old teks, i wish i had come strait to the cult board but i lurked for a couple years just with the stuff in the info section to guide me, i'd already been at it for years by that point but never really understood how i was doing things i just did them
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19344084 - 12/29/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: one thing i see alot of is people coming here(new members) and reading the mushroom info section which in my opinion is filled with too many old teks, i wish i had come strait to the cult board but i lurked for a couple years just with the stuff in the info section to guide me, i'd already been at it for years by that point but never really understood how i was doing things i just did them
Yea I looked at the terrarium/FC Teks listed under the panels at the top of the page and  SGFC and Monotubs are not covered.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19344091 - 12/29/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i know i was talking to java dog about it he just suggested to post in the bad info section/most favorite links and someone would get around to it....
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19344111 - 12/29/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think it's time to get a list together for the mods to go through, even the cloning section is empty
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19344130 - 12/29/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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WORD, who do we PM haha
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19344137 - 12/29/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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java dog, he's always down to help out same with foo man
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19344174 - 12/29/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: one thing i see alot of is people coming here(new members) and reading the mushroom info section which in my opinion is filled with too many old teks, i wish i had come strait to the cult board but i lurked for a couple years just with the stuff in the info section to guide me, i'd already been at it for years by that point but never really understood how i was doing things i just did them
Yea I looked at the terrarium/FC Teks listed under the panels at the top of the page and  SGFC and Monotubs are not covered.
Fucking THANK YOU. When I joined this site the information at the top of the page was the least fucking helpful compared to just following the topic of the day.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19344179 - 12/29/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A year ago or so a bunch of mods were going through removing outdated info from the main page which is why so many sections are empty. Would be nice if they could be filled in, but it would be even better if more emphasis could be placed on the forums. I myself spent a few months reading all that garbage on the main page before it was deleted, not realizing the treasure trove of info on the boards. This was well before I ever had an account
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19344186 - 12/29/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Getting rid of old info would be a major move in the right direction. I know that I did the whole lurking thing for quite some time myself before ever posting aswell and my first few grows were all outdated. Still worked and all just not optimal.
Few examples: It use to be beleived that tempuratures closer to 80F were optimal for cubes. This is even stated in paul stamets the mushroom cultivator.
It use to be common practice that colonization was done in the dark where now we know that a 12/12 light cycle in all stages is best.
It use to be beleived that casing layers were needed for cubes when there not and that nutritous material such as the same as you use for sub could be used as a proper casing material.
It use to be advised to shake your jars immediately after inoculation where now it is known that its best to let them sit a while to mate.
etc etc. I could go on but those are the 4 very common ones found in teks on this site. I know I found all of them on here and did them lol.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Valyr]
#19344206 - 12/29/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah they were working hard at it but getting rid of it is just one step, as pasty said to fill in the blanks would be great and save alot of the common q's we see from popping up everyday
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Valyr]
#19344210 - 12/29/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lets be fair tho, coir does make a good casing, just need to apply it a little later. Right now out of the subs I got fruiting, 3 were cased with sterilized coir and verm and are doing just fine compared to the ones cased with 50/50.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19344265 - 12/29/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah if it gets applied later like when put into fruiting than my largest objection to it is removed. But to do like in damions bucket tek, wich is probably the most widely used tek by newbs, is incorrect and can help cause problems.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Valyr]
#19344271 - 12/29/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blojo02184]
#19344360 - 12/30/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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For me it was picking or thinking that there was one perfect method for growing. After month and months of reading I was so confused. I had seen straw grow that produced huge amounts. So I would decide to go that way. Then do a little more reading and hear someone say that straw is contaminate pron. Then see a wbs to manure grow with great success. Then read that rye is better for spawn. It took me quite a while to realize that almost any method can generate good result and that they all have their different pros and cons. And that after a certain point the more I read the more overwhelmed I got. I decide to find a tek that was proven and used materials that were available to me and try it.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: shroomnub4u]
#19344936 - 12/30/13 04:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Exactly. There is probably a line between good research and obsessive compulsive consumption of all available information - and I definitely crossed it. Having thoroughly read so many different grow logs, articles and cultivation books incorporating all different Teks, their strengths and their liabilities, it seemed the right thing to do was to try to pull the positive aspects from each Tek I read about and combine them. So after all the failed experimental stages of my imagined 'Super-Tek' were out of my system, I finally chose one method that seemed to work for everyone and went with it.
I also had some issues choosing a vendor. Buyer beware.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Pistil-Whipped]
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after a certain point the more I read the more overwhelmed I got
Exactly. There is probably a line between good research and obsessive compulsive consumption of all available information - and I definitely crossed it. Having thoroughly read so many different grow logs, articles and cultivation books incorporating all different Teks, their strengths and their liabilities, it seemed the right thing to do was to try to pull the positive aspects from each Tek I read about and combine them. So after all the failed experimental stages of my imagined 'Super-Tek' were out of my system, I finally chose one method that seemed to work for everyone and went with it.
I also had some issues choosing a vendor. Buyer beware.
been there done that lol! eventually i found myself doing a little bit of this a little bit of that but once i understood the simple things that make them work it all came together for me
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
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It use to be advised to shake your jars immediately after inoculation where now it is known that its best to let them sit a while to mate.
This thread is possibly the most informative of all that I've read here at the Shroomery. In just one evening I've found three things wrong with my upcoming grow. Thanks to all of you I found them before everything went south and I wasted some perfectly expensive tissue culture syringes.
Freaking weatherproofed tyvek express mail envelopes. I made about fifteen lids out of it yesterday. It seemed wrong as I was doing it, I kept trying to make air pass through the material and it would but barely. I never stopped to consider there might be two types of tyvek envelope. Now I know...'And knowing is half the battle'
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Pistil-Whipped]
#19346016 - 12/30/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
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Just returned home with good .3 micron filter material, rtv sealant and 24 more lids. Another 2 hours of making lids, a short PC session and a tissue culture delivery and I'm back in business...again, lol.
All the questions I should've asked... pride can be a bitch.
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All the questions I should've asked... pride can be a bitch.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Pistil-Whipped]
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I bet it feels good now though . I know Ive made alot of mistakes in this hobby aswell and it always gives me a feeling of vindication and pride once I finally get it right lol.
Like I finally just got pasteurization down last night.. My chest was so puffed up I thought I might need a bra lol.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Valyr]
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19344260#19344260 i'm starting to gather links and rip apart the info section if anybody is interested in trying to get it updated, keep in mind that section isn't only cube related
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: one thing i see alot of is people coming here(new members) and reading the mushroom info section which in my opinion is filled with too many old teks, i wish i had come strait to the cult board but i lurked for a couple years just with the stuff in the info section to guide me, i'd already been at it for years by that point but never really understood how i was doing things i just did them
Yea I looked at the terrarium/FC Teks listed under the panels at the top of the page and  SGFC and Monotubs are not covered.
Fucking THANK YOU. When I joined this site the information at the top of the page was the least fucking helpful compared to just following the topic of the day.
Yea hopefully some people like Chronicr and myself will get some influence on some changes around here 
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Thankfully most of us figure it out eventually
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I just experimented with some sterilized coir casing.
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cronicr said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19344260#19344260 gonna start collecting links here...enoughs enough
I'll try to help you out, I haven't been around as much or I would be working on my getting started thread too 
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Yep, use what works for you. no on can argue with that
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after a certain point the more I read the more overwhelmed I got
Exactly. There is probably a line between good research and obsessive compulsive consumption of all available information - and I definitely crossed it. Having thoroughly read so many different grow logs, articles and cultivation books incorporating all different Teks, their strengths and their liabilities, it seemed the right thing to do was to try to pull the positive aspects from each Tek I read about and combine them. So after all the failed experimental stages of my imagined 'Super-Tek' were out of my system, I finally chose one method that seemed to work for everyone and went with it.
I also had some issues choosing a vendor. Buyer beware.
I've had good luck with all the shroomery sponsors I've dealt with so far.
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It use to be advised to shake your jars immediately after inoculation where now it is known that its best to let them sit a while to mate.
This thread is possibly the most informative of all that I've read here at the Shroomery. In just one evening I've found three things wrong with my upcoming grow. Thanks to all of you I found them before everything went south and I wasted some perfectly expensive tissue culture syringes.
Freaking weatherproofed tyvek express mail envelopes. I made about fifteen lids out of it yesterday. It seemed wrong as I was doing it, I kept trying to make air pass through the material and it would but barely. I never stopped to consider there might be two types of tyvek envelope. Now I know...'And knowing is half the battle'
 good to hear, you can always shoot me a PM too if you see that I'm on and have a quick Q
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I bet it feels good now though . I know Ive made alot of mistakes in this hobby aswell and it always gives me a feeling of vindication and pride once I finally get it right lol.
Like I finally just got pasteurization down last night.. My chest was so puffed up I thought I might need a bra lol.
 I think we have all been there in one way or another
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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how to mainline cubes like a boss
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ha,ha...now that's funny, damn I love fungi on new years eve here...
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Can I get rigs that size at the needle exchange?
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just mention my name and wink
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so how was your trip bod?
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
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Fr 4.5g It didn't seem too mind blowing. Then again I've always been pretty lucid during trips, never having this mind bending ego loss people talk about and I've ate 1/2 oz a couple of times from different grows, It just made doing anything and everything really really hard, and a lot of laughing.
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1/2 ounce!! talk about heroic dose! r the trips long for u with 4.5 and up?
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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i hear ya, i've never had the youtube trips lol, always just chill good times no matter how much i do, can get pretty intense at times but i'm never acting like the 16 year old kids on youtube lol acid is a diffrent story though...
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: i hear ya, i've never had the youtube trips lol, always just chill good times no matter how much i do, can get pretty intense at times but i'm never acting like the 16 year old kids on youtube lol acid is a diffrent story though...
yea acid is some shit man.
When I take 5+g the trips usually last 6-10 hours and there's residual feeling for about a day but I wouldn't call it tripping since there was an obvious come down.
It's super easy to eat 14 grams when you put them in gel caps 
Oh, When I eat that much even in gel caps I always feel like I have to take a 100Lb shit at some point and it just wont come out. Not that fun.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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I always seem to get a massive headache the next day after eating that many shrooms too. Even if I'm drinking an assload of water getting electrolytes eating brain healthy foods before hand and sometimes I have tried friends neurotransmitter precursor pills which just seem like 20$ bottles of chalk to me.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: i hear ya, i've never had the youtube trips lol, always just chill good times no matter how much i do, can get pretty intense at times but i'm never acting like the 16 year old kids on youtube lol acid is a diffrent story though...
Unless your eating KSSS right 
I have eaten 1/2 oz of cubes before where I could function pretty good, I have also had 2.5 gram doses that utterly destroyed me.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Pastywhyte]
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cronicr said: i hear ya, i've never had the youtube trips lol, always just chill good times no matter how much i do, can get pretty intense at times but i'm never acting like the 16 year old kids on youtube lol acid is a diffrent story though...
Unless your eating KSSS right 
I have eaten 1/2 oz of cubes before where I could function pretty good, I have also had 2.5 gram doses that utterly destroyed me.
thats what made me right the"get pretty intense at times" i'm gonna be sticking to my pellies for awhile, such a chill time with them
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
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PM me if you want to trade any kind of PE or KSSS for creeper swabs. I'll be making some up in a few days
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making them up today
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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speaking of which, that was one that i didnt think was so simple when i started, i read teks out of books on printing which were just walls of text that sounded hard and complex
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
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yea no shit, I just so happened to have lots of in-vitro fruits on petri's I left too long. They dropped spores and in a nearly sterile environment, So I just PCed some swabs in a jar and then swiped the gill then right into a fresh baggie all inside of a SAB.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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I'll give this one a bump too.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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hows it going shroomery, maybe some new people can get in on this action
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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Edit:my bad wrong thread
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
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 oh well, seems like this thread fizzled out a little bit. Good archive of info though. One of these days i'll distill this thread into something for my journal or the like
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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 oh well, seems like this thread fizzled out a little bit. Good archive of info though. One of these days i'll distill this thread into something for my journal or the like
Yep, you got a lot of good info in here! And sorry to get you excited, I meant to put it in your grow along thread at least!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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Talk about walls of text, AGAR!
has tons of information, so confusing and sounding hard... Gotta get into quick
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blojo02184]
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
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 good thinking,
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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Took me a while to understand bulk substrates and casing and still don't quite understand all of it but I'm sure I'll get a better grasp when I start to get my hands dirty with bulk. Why do people make pouring agar and g2g transfer sound like it's hard. Seems like a simple enough process.. maybe its just having the lid off due to people starting with pf tek? I know agar is easily contaminated but thats cause it's designed for bacterial and fungal growth lol.
Nice thread Bodhisatta very informative.. book marked this thread and the one cronicr posted "links for jd to read". Both of you guys have been super helpful not only to me but to lots of others I've seen. You're both being given a     rating from me! Thanks for all your time and effort and thanks to others like you now and since past that have kept this information alive and thriving! Helping others is helping yourself for what are you but my reflection.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Happy Littletree]
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bod like alot of you guys has come along way in a short time, reading pays off
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
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I've done a lot of reading of the same book over and over for years but unfortunately a lot of it is outdated information so now I'm filling in the pieces. Psilocybin MMGG Oss & Oeric
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Happy Littletree]
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Happy Littletree said: Took me a while to understand bulk substrates and casing and still don't quite understand all of it but I'm sure I'll get a better grasp when I start to get my hands dirty with bulk. Why do people make pouring agar and g2g transfer sound like it's hard. Seems like a simple enough process.. maybe its just having the lid off due to people starting with pf tek? I know agar is easily contaminated but thats cause it's designed for bacterial and fungal growth lol.
Helping others is helping yourself for what are you but my reflection.
always feel free to send a PM if you're stuck, I can at least point you in the right direction. I think you might have found a damn good reason why everyone is afraid of agar and G2G coming from PF, the thing is having the lid off teaches you a lot about sterility. A lot of people are worried about their crops never getting a contam but it's inevitable so you might as well learn about sterility with agar work. People don't want to have to learn agar and how to g2g since they "cant afford" to have the mishaps be part of the learning. Those people should re-think why they're growing and keeping themselves out of jail.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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When pouring petris in a sab or gb, always place tub on top of hard surface, DO NOT USE THE LID AS A SURFACE!!
Just lost 23 Petris cuz the lid will buckle just enough to topple over the entire stack, just after you pull your arms out.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blojo02184]
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blojo02184 said: When pouring petris in a sab or gb, always place tub on top of hard surface, DO NOT USE THE LID AS A SURFACE!!
Just lost 23 Petris cuz the lid will buckle just enough to topple over the entire stack, just after you pull your arms out.

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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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lol i use the bottom of my tote as the bottom of the SAB, but it still buckles with weight. when i have 2 stacks of 12 petris and a hot glass of water on top of each, u better believe I'm yelling at my room mate to "GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN AND MAKE NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS!!!" its like the leaning tower of pisa, I'm playing jenga when I'm pouring plates!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blindingleaf]
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blindingleaf said: I'm yelling at my room mate to "GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN AND MAKE NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS!!!" its like the leaning tower of pisa, I'm playing jenga when I'm pouring plates!
hehe. I was just playing that last night lol
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Valyr]
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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Getting over my fear of contams... and using a sab was my biggest hurdle. Which didn't happen until recently lol.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroom_J]
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Just thought it was time for this to have a bump tonight.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: elasticaltiger]
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
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Have you thought about consolidating your favorite responses into the first post with a little 'prologue' to go with it? It is your thread after all. I don't think it would lose it's value if you cherry picked some of the responses you thought were important.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19644157 - 03/03/14 12:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Have you thought about consolidating your favorite responses into the first post with a little 'prologue' to go with it? It is your thread after all. I don't think it would lose it's value if you cherry picked some of the responses you thought were important.
it's what I would like to do and move it to my journal too just so it stays neat but I'll get around to it someday lol hopefully sooner than later.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19655142 - 03/05/14 02:45 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well I'm still a noob and for me the hardest thing is getting spores to germinate on agar. Its really starting to make me mental. G2G no problem, Spore printing no problem, making syringes no problem, agar big fucking problem. Why the fuck dose agar hate me.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: MudaFuka]
#19655151 - 03/05/14 02:47 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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try take your loop while its hot and make a little divot where you put your spores and put a drop from a syringe there, other then that sometimes it just takes time for the spores to hydrate on agar for me
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19655347 - 03/05/14 03:19 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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i have one strain that NEVER germinates on agar. i have to noc up a grain jar then transfer a grain to agar or clone it. its in a syringe too, so they are not dry.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blindingleaf]
#19655359 - 03/05/14 03:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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send it my way i'll fix it up for ya
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blindingleaf]
#19655360 - 03/05/14 03:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: i have one strain that NEVER germinates on agar. i have to noc up a grain jar then transfer a grain to agar or clone it. its in a syringe too, so they are not dry.
What strain?
I hope you did not jut call a group of spores a strain.....that would be.......noobish......lol.
A spore print/syringe is not a strain......2 spores make a strain, there are millions of spores in a print/syringe, so there are millions of strains in a print/syringe.
The name some vendor gave a certain group of spores is mostly a marketing gimic.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: PussyFart]
#19655364 - 03/05/14 03:23 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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ur right my bad!  Peurto Rican
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blindingleaf]
#19655370 - 03/05/14 03:24 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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thats your nemisis variety huh lol!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blindingleaf]
#19655371 - 03/05/14 03:24 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I bet I can get it to germinate on agar.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: PussyFart]
#19655376 - 03/05/14 03:25 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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if it was a print i would send u a swipe!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blindingleaf]
#19655393 - 03/05/14 03:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Most of the spores I've put on agar came out of a syringe. I think my real problem is that my no pour agar keeps boiling over in the PC creating a pathway for bacteria to get in and take over before my spores can germinate. I tried GWA for my last batch and it didn't even set up after PCing. It was more like pudding.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: MudaFuka]
#19655840 - 03/05/14 04:55 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Two of four of my sponsor syringes were the same way. I pulled a bubble in one and finally got it on grain. I noc'd three dishes twice and nothing and two grains twice nothing. The other syringe I just put up but did 2 dishes twice with it and nothing. The other two syringes from same sponsor had growth in two days on agar and grains.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Happy Littletree]
#19655877 - 03/05/14 05:04 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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My syringes are all home made and they usually germinate on grain in 3 or 4 days.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: MudaFuka]
#19655928 - 03/05/14 05:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've never had an issue with boil over. I use ELMEA. I make sure my plates are all the way up out of the water. and sandwich them between two sheets of aluminum foil. 15psi for 45. I've used 1/4 pint glass and these pp5 plastic ones.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Happy Littletree]
#19655969 - 03/05/14 05:25 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've been PCing for between 90 and 120 minutes could this be my problem. I should mention my PC only gets up to 11.6 PSI.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: MudaFuka]
#19655979 - 03/05/14 05:27 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe try a small batch at 60 minutes.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Happy Littletree]
#19656005 - 03/05/14 05:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ill be doing that tonight as soon as my kids go to bed.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: MudaFuka]
#19656987 - 03/05/14 08:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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you can PC agar for like 20M at 15PSI and be fine 98+% of the time. I would do like 30-40M with the 11psi and see how it works for you
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19657003 - 03/05/14 08:42 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm glad I read this poste I just mixed up some agar and I'm about to load my PC.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: MudaFuka]
#19657022 - 03/05/14 08:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I personally PSI my agar at 15psi for like 25-30M so you should be just fine at 30-40. You can sterilize agar without a PC in a steam bath(idk how long it takes though but it's not outrageously long) since there's no hard to kill bacterial endospores and easy heat transfer. I think you'll be just fine.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19657042 - 03/05/14 08:48 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sweet thanx.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: MudaFuka]
#19658957 - 03/06/14 10:59 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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the difference between 10 and fifteen psi really isn't all that much
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19658966 - 03/06/14 11:04 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I went with 45 minutes and it worked out a lot better than my previous batches. No boil over and very little moisture on the walls of my PP5s. I just made a ghetto inoculation loop out of twist ties and hopefully I can get some spores to germinate this time.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: MudaFuka]
#19659050 - 03/06/14 11:22 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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nice man!! spores from prints were never a problem for me, just that one pesky syringe. I'm thinking its now a dud, because i nocced up some brf is a desperate attempt tog et it to grow something, and no growth after 2 weeks on 2 cakes.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blindingleaf]
#19659091 - 03/06/14 11:33 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Happy Littletree]
#19659097 - 03/06/14 11:35 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanx
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: MudaFuka]
#19659678 - 03/06/14 03:01 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've only ever had trouble with some pan spores on plates but I was mostly running into bacterial problems.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19659708 - 03/06/14 03:11 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I used a Pan Cyan print on these plates But I also made a syringe in case they don't work out. Its a bit tricky working with such a small print compared to cubes.
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