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SuperSillyUs
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: hbettag]
#19282728 - 12/16/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I thought I was helping and being polite, ...should've been nicer I guess.
Anyways, yeah. Took me like 5 or 6 failed attempts to hit paydirt. And, I'm sure I was skeptical of the vendors then as well.
Something I had to learn to relax on: It was my own newbishness to blame. Getting pissy with vendors helps no one. Certainly didn't help me improve my technique...
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Stromrider
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: SuperSillyUs] 1
#19282880 - 12/16/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No worries. We all do dumb shit sometimes. Especially when ignorance is rampant
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bodhisatta 
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Stromrider]
#19282945 - 12/16/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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abltsandwich said: For me it was how to put together a monotub. I saw the teks for spawn, I saw the teks for substrate, and I saw teks for monotubs. They all made sense. but I never saw a tek that illustrated exactly how to put all three together. Then one day I finally stumbled into a thread with a step by step pics and it made sense.
The other was how sterility works. It wasn't until a poster here explained how contaminants are heavier than air so they fall down and settle in still air, that it all clicked.
Yea I think we need some good diagrams on sterility and how it all works in conjunction with our mycology efforts
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Sgt. Pepper said: I agree, new growers need to do way more research. "My popcorn and dog shit cakes won't make shrooms! They're the penis species and I put them in an aquarium with my beta fish! I probably got bad spores from this vendor." If noobies do their research they'll be fine. I got an ounce off my first grow in a 10 gallon monotub.
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MustardTiger66 said: I learned that a good pressure cooker pays for itself in no time.
I always wonder how people find the garbage without finding the good info
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hbettag said: Well thus far I've learned that If you are clean, and your master specimen whether it be MS, LC, or print Is put into a moist nutrient rich substrate it will make the effort. If you can get said substrate to fully colonize before it either dries out, or contams then it will ultimately fruit. As the new guy around here what seems to give me the most problems is consistency. And I wonder how much individual strain variety affects everything?
consistency is key, keep good notes, but strain is nearly everything if you want consistency of your grow
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hbettag said: First thing I did before ever purchasing anything I layed on the couch and watched Lets Grow Mushrooms 10000 times yes that many. Then came time to buy supplies well Im a cheap bastard who buys everything off the internet to avoid leaving the house. I noticed that I could buy spores off ebay super cheap were talking 6-9.00 Anybody who happens to read this DONT DO IT, yes just go ahead spend a little more money and buy from a rec commended vendor Shroomery has some really good sponsors. Your end result in this hobby well in life in general will yield a result based on the amount of time, effort and love put into it.
Yea don't get spores from the cheap place. There is some skill involved with getting you a good syringe.
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Stromrider said: No worries. We all do dumb shit sometimes. Especially when ignorance is rampant
I learned trying to help out noobs can get you flamed super hard by the one guy that just doesn't want to listen. haha Kind of like this Flames
I like how this thread is coming along
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SuperSillyUs
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Stromrider]
#19285175 - 12/16/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's a lotta fucking assholes attracted to this hobby. ha ha ha. ...which always makes the nice ones seem that much nicer...
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Mushroon
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#19285311 - 12/16/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I haven't grown yet but the main problem I've been trying to solve is growing in a cold country (UK) where its too expensive to heat houses to 70 degrees.
There is so much conflicting information and opinions and it would help so many people if someone was able to put together a "Cold Country Tek" giving reliable information on heating from inoculation to fruiting without the usual "heat the room not the tub" remark.
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krypto2000
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
#19285330 - 12/16/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can make an incubator to heat your jars, but ultimately you'll need a heated fruiting chamber and the only reliable way to do that without spending more than it's worth is to heat the room. Otherwise you might as well be asking how to grow plants in the dark.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: krypto2000]
#19285362 - 12/16/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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How cold are we talkin here 60-65F? cause you could still probably grow in that, would just be slow as hell and a space heater to warm up the room a bit would probably help. But if your colder than that indoors I'd say it must be hard to sleep in a parka with winter boots on.
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Mushroon
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: krypto2000]
#19285377 - 12/16/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks Krypto, yeah that has been the general consensus.
The only tek I can find that looks hopeful is Magash's PMP combined with a tub in tub. It's a large initial outlay to get the thing set up but it seems to be the only Tek that is possible to heat to maintain the required temperature for fruiting without heating the whole room.
Pastywyte, my evening temps are about 65F dropping to 58F after 12pm then daytime temps of around 53F until the heating comes on in the evening.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
#19285394 - 12/16/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow that sux balls. I like a pretty frigid climate but if I ever let the heat go that low I'd have 2 very sad dogs and one pissed of wife.
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Stromrider
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19285449 - 12/16/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Wow that sux balls. I like a pretty frigid climate but if I ever let the heat go that low I'd have 2 very sad dogs and one pissed of wife.
QFT
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Sgt. Pepper



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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19285463 - 12/16/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You should check out frank's tub in tub incubator. In most situation, new growers are heating their tubs to 90 degrees and really fucking stuff up so they are generally not recommended, but they have been known to cut a day or two off of colonization times when they are used properly in circumstances such as yours.
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Mushroon
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19285535 - 12/16/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha Yeah it's pretty nippy here. I don't have a very well paying job so can't afford to keep the heating on all the time, but it's quite comfortable once you're used to the temp and you put an extra jumper on.
I have been using a TIT for incubating and had no problems so far but due to the temps I'm afraid it is gonna have to be a PMP with TIT for fruiting.
God I envy you yanks who are living in warmer climates!
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bodhisatta 
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
#19285593 - 12/16/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SuperSillyUs said: There's a lotta fucking assholes attracted to this hobby. ha ha ha. ...which always makes the nice ones seem that much nicer...
Like EMF, well he is a pub dweller I suppose...
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Mushroon said: Thanks Krypto, yeah that has been the general consensus.
The only tek I can find that looks hopeful is Magash's PMP combined with a tub in tub. It's a large initial outlay to get the thing set up but it seems to be the only Tek that is possible to heat to maintain the required temperature for fruiting without heating the whole room.
Pastywyte, my evening temps are about 65F dropping to 58F after 12pm then daytime temps of around 53F until the heating comes on in the evening.
It's hitting 53 indoors in the daytime in the UK? Wow socialism isn't working well for you guys
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Mushroon
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19285643 - 12/16/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If no one is home why would you run the heating? It picks up to normal temps pretty quickly again once the heating comes on at 1630.
By the way thanks for not shouting out "do a SGFC" at the the first mention of a PMP!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
#19285770 - 12/16/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's pretty cold here as well, I now strictly place all my projects in the cabinet above the fridge. It does take longer there to colonize however I found it's all trade off, so even though it takes a little longer it is completely effective method (even in winter) and is thus far contam free way of doing it. Last summer thought I'd be all inspector gadget lol made heat bombs, heating pads lining walls in closets blah blah blah. Im a noob and easiest safest ample heat, cabinet above fridge. And another by doing that way I dont use any additional electric.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: hbettag]
#19286013 - 12/16/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Honestly, if I were in that situation, I'd set up a couple TiT incubators. Run your spawn on the shelf or whatever. Do invitro bags in the incubators. I would make a shitload of LC, from agar wedges, do up some jars for tests, find the clean ones and inoculate bags filled with PF mix for invitro fruiting in 5 micron bags. If you have a flowhood, you could inoculate quart jars with agar then inoculate bags of bulk substrate with those.
Either way, if you can't heat the room and only need a personal amount, invitro bags in a carefully monitored TiT can work. You can even open them to fan & mist when you get a chance.
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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blojo02184
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19286286 - 12/16/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Wow that sux balls. I like a pretty frigid climate but if I ever let the heat go that low I'd have 2 very sad dogs and one pissed of wife.
Same here, minus 2 dogs.
365's advice sounds reasonable LOGICALLY, logically does not mean practically.
I do trust 365's advice, along with almost everything I've read here for answers to problems. So from one noobie to another noobie, take this as wisdom.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19286465 - 12/16/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm on my 3rd try on growing, and the previous times I have failed miserably due to my pasteurization being... "less-than-optimal", to call it somehow. It's hard to get it right!
I think it's also difficult to fall in the tentation to try to be innovative. I now believe it's is better to stick to the easy, simple and proven -as well as economic- techniques, and master them FIRST, before attempting to invent something new. I know we all want to be very special and innovative and all that shit, but as some people said before: in the end, for most growers, nothing beats a tub with a few holes.
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Gorlami



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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Honguista]
#19286614 - 12/16/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I was an initiate in this hobby, my biggest challenge was knowing where to get my information. You can't even begin to understand how much false information is being spread until you actually go through the ropes a few times and get a good understanding of what's going on.
It's so easy to fall into those traps. I can't tell you how long it took me to finally understand the difference between Casing and Spawning to bulk substrate, the terms keep being interchanged.
Also, learning how to use the search function properly... that's the key! At first I kept getting bogged down with old posts and threads, trying to integrate knowledge from the old ways with the new ways can be confusing, it's crazy to see how much knowledge and protocol has evolved in only a few years.
And lastly, you need to get to know which community members information you can trust. 
Anyways, I'm not sure this even answers your question seeing as it pertains to mostly common sense... but it's impossible to get anywhere without it!
Good vibes y'all!
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Mushroon]
#19286931 - 12/17/13 02:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why can't you just put a space heater in the room? It can't be that expensive. My house gets below freezing sometimes, the other day I could see my breath in the living room lol. I have a space heater in my grow room, and right now maxed out in the mid of winter at night it can't even hold 70f .
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