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bodhisatta 
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You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation
#19270774 - 12/13/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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When you were a noob, what was the hardest thing cultivation,mycology,task,etc... to wrap your head around?
For some it might be agar, or grain to grain, perhaps how to put holes into a SGFC, or what to do for lighting etc...
I'm mostly going to use this information to feed my how to get started at the shroomery and get the most out of it thread
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cronicr



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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19270842 - 12/13/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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for me it was sterility and not realizing that my filters were more then enough for me to stop bleaching my room everyday, and not knowing how pasturizing really worked. i thought it was a sterile process for years till i found shroomery
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bodhisatta 
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#19270865 - 12/13/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yea that is a confusing one.
There's the sterility and the fact that 0 life is left, and then there is mycology sterility where there's a window for colonization to occur. Obviously steaming at 212 with no pressure for 90M is not true sterilization but it's enough to call a brf cake sterile.
Pasteurization is one I think people still don't really get. Especially that only the core temperature matters and the outsides can get hotter than 160F.
Then people don't understand when they need to be sterile or not. People are always trying to be clean when spawning but you could do that outside. Or the people that like to use alcohol to wipe a flamed needle .
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spacechildo
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19270907 - 12/13/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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the cleaning your room with bleach part being unnecessary. and after reading here for a while; what the bleep a casing was.
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cronicr



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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: spacechildo]
#19270912 - 12/13/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: the cleaning your room with bleach part being unnecessary.
ten years later i know now
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sharpshroomer98
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: bodhisatta]
#19270914 - 12/13/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: for me it was sterility and not realizing that my filters were more then enough for me to stop bleaching my room everyday, and not knowing how pasturizing really worked. i thought it was a sterile process for years till i found shroomery
Congrats lol I wouldn't have been able to get started without this place yet alone a few years. Mine still is the pasteurization, I just recently discovered the whole outer edge temp doesnt matter because the proper nuits n such move to the outer edge as it cools. But I love that I learn something new almost every day, just small techniques that I want to try for my own and find out personal preference. But with this fantastic communities support I've come so much farther than originally imagined.
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Stromrider
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: sharpshroomer98]
#19270935 - 12/13/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I used to bleach everything so much my nose would burn and I couldn't smell anything for 2 days! 
Other than that I didn't have any issues because I did my homework extensively.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Stromrider]
#19270945 - 12/13/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hopefully this will be a repository of enough stories and explanations that we can just link to the appropriate posts when people ask in their own threads down the line.
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Sgt. Pepper



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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: sharpshroomer98]
#19270950 - 12/13/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I originally didn't really understand the process of using grains as spawn. I didn't see the purpose when you could use brf, but after a minuscule amount of reading I understood that brf doesn't work so well in quart jars and it takes forever. If there's one piece of information I could give to noobs, it would be to do your damn research, and skip the pf tek and go to grains and monos immediately.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Stromrider]
#19270956 - 12/13/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The hardest part for me was testing every method I could find until I finally conceded that it doesn't get any better than a tub with some holes in it.
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SynKyd
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19270987 - 12/13/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patience is more than a virtue in this hobby..........
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elasticaltiger
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: SynKyd]
#19271042 - 12/13/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nothing was really hard to 'wrap my head around' but there was one big obstacle.
I constantly told myself I couldn't do things because of such-and-such. I told myself I couldn't do agar because I didn't have a good enough SAB or that I couldn't do grain to grain transfers because I didn't have a flow hood.
I finally looked at myself a month or two ago and said 'What the fuck is wrong with you? You're afraid to do something because of the risk of a little contamination?' For some reason I had been literally AFRAID of contamination. I realized how much I limit myself in my day to day life by saying 'I can't do this because of this.'
That was a hard wall to break down. To just accept that contamination may happen and that that's not a reason to not try.
For some reason, I don't think I'm the only one who's had this 'fear' of doing something because it might fail.
There is nothing about mycology to be afraid of. Unless you get some super duper killer mold.
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sukhavati12
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: sharpshroomer98]
#19271055 - 12/13/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The most difficult thing for me was discovering the proper method to use.
I impulsively took up this hobby after I couldn't find anyone in my area who could provide shrooms. I researched different sites for a few days--they had grow kits and outdated teks using drip shields, coolers, the PMP etc--before I found this website and the PF tek.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Stromrider]
#19271067 - 12/13/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I second skipping the pf-tek. I don't find bulk any more difficult at all, simply different, though I guess it requires a bit more work and a bit more materials, but you get *way* more mushies. For most people a single mono would last them and a few friends a year or more. PF-tek will generally give you and a few friends a couple trips.
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Stromrider said: Yeah I used to bleach everything so much my nose would burn and I couldn't smell anything for 2 days! 
Other than that I didn't have any issues because I did my homework extensively.
The last time I used bleach for cleaning I ended up 'sick' for 2 or three days. Eyes burnt, sinuses burnt/runny, lungs hurt and I had a caugh, head conjestion everything. Oh, and my eyes would water bleach or chlorine or something for about 24 hours, burnt my eyes, but my tears tasted super clean. Unrelated to mushrooms, I was cleaning toxic mold out of the bathroom which probably was not good for my health either. Since I've cleaned that shitty bathroom my contamination rates have dropped dramatically however for whatever that's worth.
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19271074 - 12/13/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Nothing was really hard to 'wrap my head around' but there was one big obstacle.
I constantly told myself I couldn't do things because of such-and-such. I told myself I couldn't do agar because I didn't have a good enough SAB or that I couldn't do grain to grain transfers because I didn't have a flow hood.
I finally looked at myself a month or two ago and said 'What the fuck is wrong with you? You're afraid to do something because of the risk of a little contamination?' For some reason I had been literally AFRAID of contamination. I realized how much I limit myself in my day to day life by saying 'I can't do this because of this.'
That was a hard wall to break down. To just accept that contamination may happen and that that's not a reason to not try.
For some reason, I don't think I'm the only one who's had this 'fear' of doing something because it might fail.
There is nothing about mycology to be afraid of. Unless you get some super duper killer mold.
Trich still scares the shit out of me.
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krypto2000
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: krypto2000]
#19271083 - 12/13/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh, I initially thought I didn't really have trouble with anything or learn much (not that I knew everything, but what I learned seemed easy enough), however I change my opinion. Outdoor growing! I wish I knew about outdoor growing years ago, I can't believe I've been growing for ~7 years and not until this past summer did I try an outdoor grow. Also all this time I had been dumping spent and contaminanted subs into the compost when I could have probably gotten a lot of mushies from them if I'd buried them and tried to fruit outside. If you're trying to get bulk I think indoors is the way to go as far as efficiency, but I love gardening, working outside, and mushrooms growing in your yard just look awesome too.
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blindingleaf
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19271280 - 12/13/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Nothing was really hard to 'wrap my head around' but there was one big obstacle.
I constantly told myself I couldn't do things because of such-and-such. I told myself I couldn't do agar because I didn't have a good enough SAB or that I couldn't do grain to grain transfers because I didn't have a flow hood.
I finally looked at myself a month or two ago and said 'What the fuck is wrong with you? You're afraid to do something because of the risk of a little contamination?' For some reason I had been literally AFRAID of contamination. I realized how much I limit myself in my day to day life by saying 'I can't do this because of this.'
That was a hard wall to break down. To just accept that contamination may happen and that that's not a reason to not try.
For some reason, I don't think I'm the only one who's had this 'fear' of doing something because it might fail.
There is nothing about mycology to be afraid of. Unless you get some super duper killer mold.
QFT same thing here, I literally one day was like "dude, just start some agar, whats the big deal??"
I would say hardest thing for me to get was the days after introducing to fruiting...not fucking with it too much, just being patient, and watching it do its thing. I dunno a cool thread/post might be a side by side pictorial for newbs with a grow being "over" cared for and one being left alone (besides following its respective tek)? just so they see what constant misting fanning might do, be it over saturate, dry it out, or just delay the fruit formation compared to just leaving it alone, dunno if it would be helpful, but it would have alleviated some concerns in my head back when.
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CricketMan
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: blindingleaf]
#19271481 - 12/13/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Take off the foil.
Very little Gas Exchange (GE).
Edited by CricketMan (07/18/17 07:00 PM)
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: CricketMan]
#19271496 - 12/13/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'm still a noob, and the hardest thing for me still, is to believe that I can. I read and read and read and still second guess myself. As long as you educate yourself, and take advice constructively, just try it and see how it goes. This hobby takes soooooo long, that it really gives you enough time to fix most mistakes before they turn tragic, and if they turn tragic, learn from it.
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NecroMyce
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Re: You'll never guess, my question about cube cultivation [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19271512 - 12/13/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sgt. Pepper said: I originally didn't really understand the process of using grains as spawn. I didn't see the purpose when you could use brf, but after a minuscule amount of reading I understood that brf doesn't work so well in quart jars and it takes forever. If there's one piece of information I could give to noobs, it would be to do your damn research, and skip the pf tek and go to grains and monos immediately.
That was my thing, i was overwhelmed with everything and stuck simple, and now im already doing agar and advanced g2g, taking 2-4 jars and making 4-6monos haha. I couldnt wrap my head around the fact that this is actually really simple procedures, and jumping to rye/wbs/bulk right away is actually not hard/bad thing at all. And totally worth it, just find proper information and do your research and experiment
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