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Bridgesii middle cuttings
    #19270163 - 12/13/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Okay so i ordered 2 bridgesii middle cuttings and they have some problems. I'm not to sure what it is but im sure it is partly rot and also what should i do to root them? Please note also the spines have been clipped for oversea shipping

Just an overview of them


The end portion i think thats sulfur powder but ive never seen sulfer powder so i dont know what it is


It has some weird yellow scaring i think this is just down to being a wild plant


Weird Black spot


Suspected rot


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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #19270250 - 12/13/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

From what I've been able to gather the black spots happen from time to time, and aren't much to worry about. The big vendor around me uses sulfur on the end so I bet that is indeed sulfur.

I don't know much, but some more experienced cacti growers will chime in soon. They look pretty good to me!


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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: Magicman69]
    #19271313 - 12/13/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Seriously come on guys or are you all tripping balls tonight?


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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #19271499 - 12/13/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sometimes trichos and other cactus will get a black spot or area on the tip or along it’s side.Sometimes these are caused by bruising, being poked by other cactus, etc. Sometimes they just appear.Don’t panic!  These black spots will turn into regular little scars in a few weeks/months and will grow down as new growth grows from the top.The key here is understanding the difference between these black spots versus real black rotted sections.Rotted cactus you can push your finger into.  If your cactus gets damaged on the side and doesn’t heal properly,you will need to cut the dead section out.Your Tricho should heal just fine, but the black/orange gooey flesh needs to go!This was a quote by the way for another source.


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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: KBG1977]
    #19271538 - 12/13/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Here is where I had two pups start,and one got so big and Phat,that it was growing into it's sibling,causing all this damage.I cut one off,and tossed it up in the window sill until it roots.Normally I just stick the cut in a pot of dry soil,or lay it on it's side in a pot/planter,and they will root nicely:grin:



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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #19271567 - 12/13/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Seriously come on guys or are you all tripping balls tonight?



Lol, ... hey all those scars ae fine.. the yellow will fix itself when you root it and get some food up in its guts....REMEMBER children, that massive plant body has no roots...and will take along time to get some...think hydro weed...ever see the root balls on that shit?... 

Only thing that worries me is that last pick of the open black sore... most black dots ive seen look like blood blisters...closed ...  that looks like an open door for infection.

How to handle it.... well, is it soft?  Id be tempeted to cut it out like a doctor cuts out warts on the bottom of peoples feet but...  id just have to see it in person, a good scar is tan brown like your other pics show, that black shit looks like black mold...  keep an eye and keep it dry..  if it spreads cut it out like its cancer..  my 2 cents, its probably wrong. :laugh:


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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: KBG1977]
    #19271583 - 12/13/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Should i cut the cuttings up into smaaller parts ready for pupping or should i root the 40cm cactus's or cut one up and leave one? And the black section/suspected rot is hard and dry.


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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: Amanita86]
    #19271593 - 12/13/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That second to last pic looks fuzzy like if you touched it it would "wipe" off....again the bridge black dots that are oh so famous are usually closed like a blood blister...  see that tan around the original black sore...thats what youre shooting for..  its up to you if you want to red hot a scapel and remove or, see where it goes.

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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #19271635 - 12/13/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Should i cut the cuttings up into smaaller parts ready for pupping or should i root the 40cm cactus's or cut one up and leave one? And the black section/suspected rot is hard and dry.



Well the fuzzy black spot is on the end.  You could hack that up about an inch higher than where it sits and be fine.  I cant tell if the "open"  black is at the end middle or what so..  really id hack the fuzzy one, and depending on how the open one plays out, play it by ear.

Did the tan scars show up first and then the black showed?  If I were you.....use this advice at your own risk... id get good and sterile... use an x-acto type blade , and do a clean circle cut.....like cutting the stem butt od a tomato.. and get rid of the black.. then nurse it like a gunshot wound.. 

When people put cuttings outside, they dont cut ridges or at a 45 degree angle alot of times.  So when it callouses it makes a bowl on top where water collects and cant get anywhere.  Take a look around and notice how many peoples top cut grows black mold :thumbup:  good luck with it..

Are you sure thats a bridge btw?


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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: Amanita86]
    #19271656 - 12/13/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Id also take care of the black before i sliced it up for pup bases..  too much open area for further infection...  its cacti man, tortoise and the hare you know.  Neglect tek FTW :laugh:


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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: Mrdbrewer] * 1
    #19271673 - 12/13/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Those cuttings are perfect.  Looks like they've been grown outdoors.


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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: joemolloy]
    #19273227 - 12/14/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I ordered them from a guy and he said they were wild bridgesii's from south american (wasnt too specific) The black blob i will leave unless it becomes soft and rotten the hole has a dry touch which i guess is good. I might chop up the one with the hole in it to then pup with smaller cuttings and leave the other one with the scars because i know thats normal for outside close together grown cacti


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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: joemolloy]
    #19273231 - 12/14/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't see anything wrong with these cuttings, stop worrying too much of the cactus. If it's firm and good, they wait.. Plant them right way, check from V-notches and ribs to make sure you don't plant them later upside-down.

They have only a minor problems with appearance, I don't see why they'r not healthy and can be grow.. What is the problem, bad appearance of cactus?

You should look most cactus plants in habitat, they can be very nasty looking but healthy and fine. Learn more about cactus when it's not at good condition and when it is. If these cuttings are mine, I would not doubt anything about their healthy based on appearance.

If they are firm as good as they are, they're good. Dehydrated cuttings are not so firm anyway but if your finger pressure can't break the skin of cactus, there is no rotting or anything.

Seems bridgesii varietys are very prone to have these black harmless spots to cactus. Also because they are cuttings, probably also dehydrated ones (I don't know the conditions where they are come from) they can look bad and not healthy

I think most of the problems with cacti are caused by people and then people try to care of the "ugly cactus" it makes situation worse.

As I said, if they'r firm and skin don't break when you add pressure to it, don't worry.

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Seriously come on guys or are you all tripping balls tonight?




You need understand people are living different time zones, they'r not away or so.. wait one day when every time zome people has check your thread.:yesnod:

Anyway, just chill and don't always think there is huge problem.. I don't mean bad but person like you, over-think to much are most likely to cause cacti feel more bad probably you kill the plant by think too much of negative things, most of things in your cuttings are natural appearance based "faults"


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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19274097 - 12/14/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do you think i should plant one as its own and cut one up and make maybe 4 cuttings from a cutting for pupping?

And yeah i was stoned last night mate so it made me kinda jumpy lol it was strong OG Kush haha


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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #19274222 - 12/14/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you want you can cut them both to 2 pieces but I don't see no need for that. Just take care when you plant them there are no perlite/pumicide nor any rocks can puncture the callous what happens easily if cutting is heavy weight.. Sometimes when rock puncture callous, cacti got some fungi but root and start grow anyway, there is difference about fungi and rot even they can look like the same. My point is, no matter how dry your soil is, if you plant a cutting to soil where is material can puncture the callous, there will leak moisture inside the cactus to soil and then it starts to mold or cactus have fungi and goes soft from below but not all fungi infected cacti has been even died for that, they have push out roots anyway.

But if you don't have warm place to cactus, you should not probably rush with them about planting them to soil. It is very unlikely trichocereus cutting die to empty pot before cutting put out some roots. Winter time you probably don't have any rush to get cuttings rooted if you can't offer good soil temperature. When it's very warm and hot weather, cutttings can be planted to moist soil without problems otherwise I suggest very minimal soil amount and minimize the pressure to callous area. Even perlite can puncture the callous if cutting is heavy enough and cause mold or fungi infection, they are not always deadly to cuttings but it's better not to have mold nor fungi.

I think you should leave your cuttings to vertical position without soil somewhere dry place and before that check they are not upside-down. Forget them like that and plant them after some time have been passed.

You can also just put them to empty pot somewhere shade and just forget them.. I am sure in some time you will find a root buds emerging from below the cuttings. This way it can take some more time but it's sure they doesn't rot or have any mold. When they have roots, callous are perfect By that time and you can plant them to slightly moist soil.

If your climate have winter time, just leave them to empty pot and wait, they probably don't make roots over winter without extra heat but they don't rot nor got any problems also, when you have more sun and light available, plant them to dry cactus soil and wait. Cool air and cutting in soil cause problems easily.. Even callous is good and so on I have encounter lots of problems if there is not enough temperature.

The tek is called "winter cuttings" ..you basically plant cactus to soil or empty pot at winter, and forget them and start growing them at spring when they have roots and there is more heat available.

Anyway, you seems tobe over think and care too much(common reason why people kill a cactus) so chill and let these cuttings take their own time. When you rush and panic about thing are your cactus healthy or not you probably do more dramatic mistakes compared to cactus what spent time basically without any care at all.

I said above one thing from bridgesii. It's very prone to have these black spots, they come and disappear. Bridgesii seems to be more prone to have this symptom. Older parts with white almost round scars are old vanished black spots, they may look ugly at skin when the black spot is there or when you see area where has been these spots but it's normal with bridgesii, most of your "ugly" bridgesii have this kind of skin, old black spots vanished and turn to whitish scar.

Why bridgesii seems to have more easily these black spots compared to most trichocereus like pachanoi or peruvian torch, I don't know the reason but for some reason they will have these spots come and go. Sometimes they are because light shock or so.. Usually my trichos have these spots at spring and fall, but I don't care about them.. Even some TBM has got ugly scars but it's the way it is.. Maybe someone have answer why bridgesii is very prone to have these black spots.


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Re: Bridgesii middle cuttings [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19274571 - 12/14/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Black spot is mechanical damage. Look it up. Its not harmful and it will go away. If you environment allows drain that black puss. At least I do. Then it dries and scars. Looks ugly but it wwon't die.


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