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Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA.
#19269170 - 12/13/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: bloodworm]
#19269180 - 12/13/13 02:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats the Gym fingers !! Thats super dope!! I love that shot! Nice work Blood, and nice to see ya bud.
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#19269187 - 12/13/13 02:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psylosymonreturns said: Thats the Gym fingers !! Thats super dope!! I love that shot! Nice work Blood, and nice to see ya bud. 

u too brotha'. hope all is well.
hit me up, sometime. i might head up to the PNW next fall... i'd love to hit up BC...if they'd issue me a passport...
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: bloodworm]
#19269197 - 12/13/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What separates this species from luteus or junonius.
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bloodworm
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: Joust]
#19269206 - 12/13/13 02:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the hollow stipe, decurrent tooth and overall (i don't know how to say it), gestalt... there a few other things... but, you have the monograph...read it.
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: Joust]
#19269214 - 12/13/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Joust said: What separates this species from luteus or junonius.
btw, if you're going to ask me quasi-rhetorical questions...save your breath.
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: bloodworm]
#19269231 - 12/13/13 03:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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bloodworm said:
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Joust said: What separates this species from luteus or junonius.
btw, if you're going to ask me quasi-rhetorical questions...save your breath. 
You said new I wanted to know why. Yes i have heslers monograph, but you never know what new discoveries have happened since then. I mean look at aerug/lute disaster.
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: Joust]
#19269238 - 12/13/13 03:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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disaster??
G. imperialis is "new" to NA.
this would be the first "documented" find as far as i know...
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: bloodworm]
#19269240 - 12/13/13 03:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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since then, it has been found in Texas as well...
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Joust
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: Joust]
#19269247 - 12/13/13 03:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Joust said:
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bloodworm said:
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Joust said: What separates this species from luteus or junonius.
btw, if you're going to ask me quasi-rhetorical questions...save your breath. 
You said new I wanted to know why. Yes i have heslers monograph, but you never know what new discoveries have happened since then. I mean look at aerug/lute disaster.
was there any bruising?
looks somewhat like the gill connection on G. luteus but a little more toothed, the hollow stipe thing is interesting, is that a real feature, because in G. viridans i see them both hollow and not..
http://mushroomobserver.org/images/960/360672.jpg http://mushroomobserver.org/images/960/258105.jpg
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: Joust]
#19269248 - 12/13/13 03:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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haha i say desaster, really just hesler f'd up.
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: Joust]
#19269254 - 12/13/13 03:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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there is no data recorded on that feature of G. viridans.
in both G. spectabilis and luteus, the stipes are solid.
that is the defining feature of G. imperialis. plus the indented, longitudinally streaked stipe with a decurrent gill tooth.
they do not bruise at first...after a week in the fridge they are bluing... i have enough to try and save...
they should also be fruiting abundantly now. i have found 3 patches so far...
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: bloodworm]
#19269258 - 12/13/13 03:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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and if you think viridans is imperialis...they are not synonymous. 2 completely different wood types in 2 completely different habitats...
it's a clever thought though...
micro is diff. as well.
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: bloodworm]
#19269292 - 12/13/13 03:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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bloodworm said: and if you think viridans is imperialis...they are not synonymous. 2 completely different wood types in 2 completely different habitats...
it's a clever thought though...
micro is diff. as well.
ahh i was not clever to think that. 
Ill do up some more micro on them soon. Good luck on your micro cant wait to see, i assumed the micro would show more than the macroscopic features
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: Joust]
#19269299 - 12/13/13 03:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i dont feel that is true when trying to id mushrooms that were identified before all this "technology" took over... we have to go back to using our eyes...
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: bloodworm]
#19269304 - 12/13/13 03:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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bloodworm said: i dont feel that is true when trying to id mushrooms that were identified before all this "technology" took over... we have to go back to using our eyes...
yeah, you got to think about how much help its had, when looking at psilocybe species, so many names have been synonymized. We need both, but im sure the differences are a lot more noticeable in person.
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: Joust]
#19269310 - 12/13/13 03:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes... it's like you guys in the PNW... i mean, i can id some of them... but at a certain point, they all look the same to me... seeing these species everyday, really helps.
*note: i'm talking about PNW Psilocybe species as opposed to SE Gymnopilus species...
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: bloodworm]
#19269330 - 12/13/13 04:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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bloodworm said: yes... it's like you guys in the PNW... i mean, i can id some of them... but at a certain point, they all look the same to me... seeing these species everyday, really helps.
*note: i'm talking about PNW Psilocybe species as opposed to SE Gymnopilus species...
love the pics by the way, those are some crazy pins.
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: Joust]
#19270543 - 12/13/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Spectsctular, and very interesting. That pin shot really kicks ass. Well done BW, a pleasure to read this thread.
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: bloodworm]
#19270653 - 12/13/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What makes it new? It was described over 120 years ago.
The type location is in Argentina, what makes you think that the same species occurs in North America?
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#19271636 - 12/13/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not new... Just new to the states...is what I meant. It has probably been found before, just not recognized. I am getting together with Matt Smith next week to discuss sequencing...of these and others.
Hesler states, "this species has not with certanity been found in NA..."
I think the appearance, habitat, environment, and morphology are all pretty spot on. I'll post the micro tonight or tomorrow.
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: bloodworm]
#19271681 - 12/13/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You'll also want to sequence some material from Argentina, as just US sequences wouldn't tell you if it is the same as the one they described.
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#19271688 - 12/13/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Understood.
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Re: Gymnopilus imperialis is a new active Gymnopilus species in Southern NA. [Re: bloodworm]
#19271843 - 12/13/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very awesome bloodworm!!!!! Grand master Gym good luck with everything!!
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