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What makes caps turn (appear) gold after drying? * 1
    #19269148 - 12/13/13 02:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This is my third post location for this question, here on shroomery.

I have spent a lot of time studying mycology on my own.  One thing that I am curious about, have searched about, and have not found an answer to, is why a lot of active mushrooms' caps turn gold.  I've already heard that a lot of inactive shrooms shimmer, as well as actives.

Does anyone know??  Or care to try to explain this to me?

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Re: What makes caps turn (appear) gold after drying? [Re: UncommonShaman]
    #19269242 - 12/13/13 03:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ha always blue or silver


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Re: What makes caps turn (appear) gold after drying? [Re: Caddilac]
    #19281742 - 12/15/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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ha always blue or silver




What do you mean by that?  If thats the shimmer of active caps, what causes it?  Ive been reading up about ORMEs, and wondered if it may possibly have something to do with certain ORMEs content, or is certain effect of oxidation of a substance, contained in the mushroom, etc...


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Re: What makes caps turn (appear) gold after drying? [Re: UncommonShaman]
    #19282378 - 12/16/13 03:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting question


Well here's a rough explanation which i think may be related:
Most of the actives your talking about are all from the same Genera called Psilocybe which means they all share similar chemical compounds including pigments, so Im guessing that most of the psilocybes have the identical orangey/goldey pigment in their caps that causes the golding after oxidation/drying.

But I was more curious myself, why are you interested in this/what are you trying to find out?


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Re: What makes caps turn (appear) gold after drying? [Re: SkysTheLimit]
    #19282466 - 12/16/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think it has anything to do with psilocybin..

I think it just a thin layer of tissue (skin) of the mushroom drying.

I only see this Gold cap in windy grassy areas with mushrooms.


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Re: What makes caps turn (appear) gold after drying? (moved) [Re: UncommonShaman]
    #19282582 - 12/16/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This thread was moved from Advanced Mycology.

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Moved to a more appropriate forum.


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Re: What makes caps turn (appear) gold after drying? (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19283741 - 12/16/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't think to much into it. its just the color of the mushroom, some  have brownish to goled tan caps that appear lighter when they dry. I believe that pan cyans are a pale color not gold at all. I don't think there is anything special about the color of the cap.

I hate how people refer to shrooms as "golden caps". that dosent really tell me mush about them... oh and once someone thought the dried up vermiculite you occasionally found on your caps, they thought It was supposed to be there lol like that's how youd differentiate good shrooms from bad shrooms lol


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Re: What makes caps turn (appear) gold after drying? (moved) [Re: shopdropper]
    #19284075 - 12/16/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i believe it's due to the expanding cells, with fruits you have mycelium running tight together (parallel to each other) forming your stipe and tightly woven mycelium forming your cap(giving it a diffrent color), once things start expanding the tight myc in the cap isn't so tight anymore thus changing the appearence, this is my theory maybe rr has a better answer though


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Re: What makes caps turn (appear) gold after drying? (moved) [Re: cronicr]
    #19285216 - 12/16/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you all for your opinions. I greatly value positive intellect.

the question first came to mind after i noticed that active, and non-active mushrooms, both have species which have a cap that turns "golden," "silver," and shimmers in sunlight, as if to have, sort of an "anodized metallic paint job."
I wondered if it were due to
A) the elements, in the caps, their chemical compounds dried, (possible example: monoatomic heavy metal elements/ORMEs)
B) dependent upon the type of outter layer on the cap, (wet n slimy, or dry and rubbery, etc) dried, or
C) the actual type of material that the caps are composed of just happens to look like that, just because of the nature of the material. 

I wondered if that may have maybe been a way of telling edibles from poisonous, whether active or not, because as I said, I have noticed a lot of mushrooms have a shimmer, and some that do not shimmer, all of which, includes non-actives. 

I am also aware of what vermiculite is.  Flakes of gold was not the source of my question... the entire consistancy of the cap would carry this shimmer, as if holographically.

PS, the original thread was moved twice, once, to where it was suggested it be, the pub, and the second to advanced mycology, because that was the next suggestion. Thank you for placing it into the correct location for me.


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Re: What makes caps turn (appear) gold after drying? (moved) [Re: UncommonShaman]
    #19285249 - 12/16/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My ape caps are usually blue :lol:



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Re: What makes caps turn (appear) gold after drying? (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19285614 - 12/16/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You could have some samples sent to a commercial laboratory for testing of ORME's to verify/eliminate that possibility, as for where to find one, i dont know, im in australia


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Re: What makes caps turn (appear) gold after drying? (moved) [Re: SkysTheLimit]
    #19287692 - 12/17/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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cronicr said:
i believe it's due to the expanding cells, with fruits you have mycelium running tight together (parallel to each other) forming your stipe and tightly woven mycelium forming your cap(giving it a diffrent color), once things start expanding the tight myc in the cap isn't so tight anymore thus changing the appearence, this is my theory maybe rr has a better answer though




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You could have some samples sent to a commercial laboratory for testing of ORME's to verify/eliminate that possibility, as for where to find one, i dont know, im in australia




Not likely, if ORME's were in such high concentrations that they are visible to the naked eye, they would be poisonous. I have access to a mass spectrometer by the way, seen allot of lead and neodymium, but no gold :shrug:


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