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SunnyD
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Just took 7 hits of L *Bad trip* **UPDATED**
#19268627 - 12/12/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Probaly around my 10 20th trip.
Its been a week since ive done L. 5 hits makes you trip really hard for 6 hours haha.
Also i would like all of your honest opinions on lsd visuals. Me i only get tracers intense colorbrighting. mild parterns and fractals, breathing and melting. i thought acid was visually intense? do i need to up the dose?
Have a happy night my brethen! 
Send me pychedelic lovvve!! :awelsd:
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: SunnyD]
#19268642 - 12/12/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There ya go. I found LSD to be much more visually intense during my early years of taking it. After taking large amounts over a period of time, I found the visual intensity to be greatly diminished even to this day.
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Damn didn't you make a post about trying L for the first time like two months ago daddyzoomed? Shit niguh I've tripped like 60 times but I've never taken more than 3 i think lol
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: SunnyD]
#19268655 - 12/12/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only stuff I get is white on white unperforated and unmarked. i think 1/4 x 1/4 inch is the standard dose with them. I have only taken up to 2.5 hits and with that I got 3d wire frame visuals swinging down and around me during the peak. Its fairly intense. Thats a pretty vague description but can someone estimate how many mics it would take to get me there again. I never knew the potency.
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awwwe yeah chris man! how ya been? I aint been on the shroomery recently :/ been too busy (even though i just quit my job) You having a good night?
well gonna get of here real soon im feeling intense body energy feels good
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: SunnyD]
#19268675 - 12/12/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've been great man! How bout you? Sounds like life is treating you well right now. Enjoy being showered in the blessings of the universe!
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Welll pychedelics hve made a much happier person, made me get over anxiety. and a bunch of other good stuff.
And yes life been treating me great! haha
Bye guys illl be on here tomarro and will update this.
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: SunnyD]
#19268703 - 12/12/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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and oh yeah,
Enjoy your trip!
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: SunnyD]
#19268705 - 12/12/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: SunnyD]
#19268723 - 12/12/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good vibes, brodah! Sounds like the universe has been sending you a lot of love lately. Have a good time, man!

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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: MindDrips]
#19268741 - 12/12/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good luck on your adventure sir! May hours of tripping bring you many an interesting thought. If anything super interesting comes about, maybe a trip report? Been wanting to read some high dose L reports in anticipation for a trip I am planning.
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: SunnyD]
#19268823 - 12/13/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Daddyzomed said: Probaly around my 10 20th trip.
Its been a week since ive done L. 5 hits makes you trip really hard for 6 hours haha.
Also i would like all of your honest opinions on lsd visuals. Me i only get tracers intense colorbrighting. mild parterns and fractals, breathing and melting. i thought acid was visually intense? do i need to up the dose?
Have a happy night my brethen! 
Send me pychedelic lovvve!! :awelsd:
If it's real L, it will last around 12 hours, rather than six. The effects would vary in strength depending on the dose, but the time frame is always the same. For that reason, I have a feeling that what you ate might not have been LSD, but I'm sure it's still a wonderful time!
Did the blotter have any taste to it and did it maybe cause a numbing sensation?
As for open eye visuals, on L I usually experience spacial dilation (for example, a room will feel more spacious than it is, a street will seem wider or longer, a tree will seem taller, something might look slightly further away than it really is).
Everything looks incredibly clear and crisp, like life in high definition, with a flowing feeling to it.
Enhanced focus which is kind of like when your entire field of vision is centred on everything that you're looking at (if hold your hand up in front of you, look at your hand and then look past your hand, then look at it again and you'll see what I mean).
On higher doses, I see things warp, breathe and change shape and size (and sometimes colour), almost like looking through a fish eye lens that fluctuates from reverse to forwards motion.
Recognising fractal/kaleidoscope like patterns where they can be present, which can manifest into full on OEV.
And tracers, of course!
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Haha, I always compare the brighter colors to HDR lighting like from Halo or other video games with bloom lighting.
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I sometimes describe it as a DVD to blu ray comparison.
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shroomery please help.... this is a absolutly strong but also angry trip... im having such disapointments with the visuals..... i am very distorted... out of body... but time doesnt seem to slow down at all? infact only speeding up. im 4 hours in since ingestion and its went by so quick. im still tripping but i keeep getting so pychocticly angry....
I am having these visuals breathing, mild tracers brightening rainbows..
but thats pretty much it
But the main point. time dilation is not present!!!! >:( and :little things like that keep making me angrrrrry!! >:(
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: SunnyD]
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Into The Woods
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Here's another one of my favourite songs, it's wonderfully chill 
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How are you doing OP? In a better mindstate now?
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I hope he's doing all right. I keep checking back in to see if he's posted.
I wonder if he just sat back and chilled out to the dead or went for a walk or something.
Hope you're feeling better, op!
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ok... i have to find out what went wrong..
I went into this trip in a great mood and around 40 mins i started seeing the visuals, so i head to the shower. When i got in the shower I started having INTENSE breathing visuals color brightening, massive space distortion. the shower was looking VERY distorted. The roof was going craZZY!! popcorn ceiling central. So i get out of the shower and stare at my self in front of the mirror and half of my face was melting and bunch of typical visuals. then i turn of the light and its pitch dark in the bathroom, and i was having snow colored kaledscopes... they were bueatiful.... the trip was going good so far... i was having a strong outofbody feeling...
so i turn the light back on and i dry off, get dressed and head to my room in a serious confused insane headspace. I then tried looking for my ipod which i couldnt find (I think it started going south right here) at this point i feel so confused about everything and it started making me angry.... and pretty much from then til now i been so down... at that point i went back into the shower lol. Also at this point sense of time was fucked up but i wasnt having time dilation AT ALL! and that triggered another pychotic fit... i kept getting so pissed offf. Pretty much then til now have been a shitty pissed mood......
My worst trip so far....
I have some Qs
Why was there no time dilation??? i was tripping harder on L than i ever have before....
Jeez i wish i had ganja to make this better. but im out til later today.
Also this trip made me realize i like mushrooms alot more. More intense, more mindfuck, stronger visuals, ego death.
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: SunnyD]
#19269577 - 12/13/13 07:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why are you so concerned about time dilation?
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Because, how can i have intense visuals but not have time dilation.
and at the time i was tripping hard, a bunch of little things brought out anger...
im not gonna do any pyche for a for awhile
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: SunnyD]
#19269712 - 12/13/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its best to go into a trip with no expectations,and whatever happens just go with it. If things ever start to get Dark or uncomfortable, smile and tell yourself your having an amazing time. More often than not you can actually convince yourself that you are.
Feel you on the iPod though. It sucks so bad not being able to find something while tripping, and then that's all you can think about
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Kief Ledger said: Its best to go into a trip with no expectations,and whatever happens just go with it. If things ever start to get Dark or uncomfortable, smile and tell yourself your having an amazing time. More often than not you can actually convince yourself that you are.
Feel you on the iPod though. It sucks so bad not being able to find something while tripping, and then that's all you can think about:(
I'm not sure convincing yourself you are having a 'good' time is the best course of action. You can always lie to yourself to get out of a number of different situations, but that doesn't really do much good in the end. Sit through the darkness, the pain, the fear. Feel it, embrace the hurt... Eventually it will come to pass.
OP when you ask why you had a bad trip you are asking a very complicated question. Consider the ipod situation... You were looking for it and you couldn't find it... That made you angry right? Now consider the fact that logically there isn't much of a reason why not being able to find your ipod should be that infuriating and confusing. So... Something about not being able to find SOMETHING made you angry and confused.
Are you perhaps looking for something when you trip? Or maybe looking for something out of life in general that you can't find? I'm not saying this is the case but these are questions worth asking yourself if you want to get anywhere remotely close to the answer of why you had a bad experience.
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OP, you need to calm the fuck down. Don't freak out if something you want doesn't happen. You probably didn't even get acid, just some RC. You need to go into trips expecting nothing.
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: Magicman69]
#19270426 - 12/13/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the OP finally got the visuals he was looking for, it can blow your mind the first time LSD kicks you ass.
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Kief Ledger said: Its best to go into a trip with no expectations,and whatever happens just go with it. If things ever start to get Dark or uncomfortable, smile and tell yourself your having an amazing time. More often than not you can actually convince yourself that you are.
Feel you on the iPod though. It sucks so bad not being able to find something while tripping, and then that's all you can think about:(
I'm not sure convincing yourself you are having a 'good' time is the best course of action. You can always lie to yourself to get out of a number of different situations, but that doesn't really do much good in the end. Sit through the darkness, the pain, the fear. Feel it, embrace the hurt... Eventually it will come to pass.
OP when you ask why you had a bad trip you are asking a very complicated question. Consider the ipod situation... You were looking for it and you couldn't find it... That made you angry right? Now consider the fact that logically there isn't much of a reason why not being able to find your ipod should be that infuriating and confusing. So... Something about not being able to find SOMETHING made you angry and confused.
Are you perhaps looking for something when you trip? Or maybe looking for something out of life in general that you can't find? I'm not saying this is the case but these are questions worth asking yourself if you want to get anywhere remotely close to the answer of why you had a bad experience.
This is exactly what I was thinking. 
Also OP, time dilation really isn't important. Don't go into a trip expecting anything. You can't control how a psychedelic is going to effect you and there's no need to feel angry if a trip doesn't work out exactly as you'd imagined. You just need to sit back, relax, float downstream and enjoy the ride.
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: SunnyD]
#19271599 - 12/13/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't always experience time dilation. Psychedelics certainly alter our perception of time. I have found that I either experience time dilation or time contraction. There have been times when the trip went by extremely fast for me and others when the clock stands still. As for the trip duration, 6 hours seems way short for LSD. Maybe you have an extremely high metabolism, but most people say LSD lasts 8-12 hours. Sorry to hear about your bummer trip, but it happens to all of us. It sort of comes with the territory if you know what I mean.
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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You think frustration over lacking visuals and difficulty finding your ipod is a bad trip? You're going to fucking hurt yourself one day and that day is going to live with you forever. Grow up
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I want to know exactly what it was that you took. Perhaps one of the Lysergamides that have been going around recently. LSZ has been characterized by some as an emptyish experience even in higher doses. I have no experience with it, though.
What did the blotter look like? It should be fairly easy to find a match.
I cant believe you to 7 hits and it left you felling irritable. That just seems odd to me.
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cannabinated said: I want to know exactly what it was that you took. Perhaps one of the Lysergamides that have been going around recently. LSZ has been characterized by some as an emptyish experience even in higher doses. I have no experience with it, though.
What did the blotter look like? It should be fairly easy to find a match.
I cant believe you to 7 hits and it left you felling irritable. That just seems odd to me.
I think the LSZ that is out there is dosed at 150ug per hit, 7 of them would pretty much destroy your ego, and ability to communicate(type in this forum)
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: afrogus]
#19272608 - 12/13/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Black_Sunset said: You think frustration over lacking visuals and difficulty finding your ipod is a bad trip? You're going to fucking hurt yourself one day and that day is going to live with you forever. Grow up
I completely agree and that can not be stressed enough. The last big trip that I had was fairly traumatizing. I was enjoying myself at first (REALLY enjoying myself) but it ended up leaving me emotionally torn. I experienced what had felt like the compounding of all human suffering that has ever taken place (mainly focused on images of war and murder). It sounds terrible, but I still wouldn't classify it as a bad trip. I was reduced to tears during the experience but it gave me more drive to be active about injustice. Now I seem to look back on it as a necessary experience, though it's sad how easy it is to fall back into complacency sometimes. I digress.
The point I'm trying to make is that at the time it was a truly difficult and painful experience that could not have been anticipated at all. Mind you,that was only on 2.5 grams of PE and 120mg MDMA. Imagine you getting your hands on some stronger acid and taking 7 hits! or if they had been potent nbome tabs!(not that it would likely kill you.) I don't want to annoy or offend you as I trust that you are familiar with your material but make sure you always know what you've got. If you're unsure if your tabs are lucy or not, swallow them directly as nbomes aren't orally active.
Maybe its just me but the chemicals you are working with aren't just there to serve you for entertainment purposes, if you treat em that way your bound to have a bad time.
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I think the LSZ that is out there is dosed at 150ug per hit, 7 of them would pretty much destroy your ego, and ability to communicate(type in this forum)
Yeah I thought that after I posted but many people report similar experiences to this
You usually smoke cannabis throughout your trips I assume? that would have a lot to do with time dilation.
You also are probably building a tolerance if you took 5 hits last weekend.
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sanchothestoner said: OP, you need to calm the fuck down. Don't freak out if something you want doesn't happen. You probably didn't even get acid, just some RC. You need to go into trips expecting nothing.
Absolutely agree. This guy is expecting WAY too much. I mean, psychedelics are insanely intense, but expectations to the degree he is taking them are what's causing the agitation. I mean it with all due respect, but a little growing up or maturity is needed.
Second, it's a lot like you are having a problem with "going through the motions". You take the LSD (if that's even what you got), then you think "Well last time I had this and this" and you're trying to play out moments of the past that are long gone. Embrace the trip you're taking now and let it be it's own thing. Every trip in my experience is DRASTICALLY different than the last. I don't understand why you keep mentioning what should or shouldn't happen. If you took 7 hits of even halfway decent LSD, you wouldn't be disappointed but possibly begging for sobriety. 5 hits of the shit I got was enough to make me nervous during the come up, and I've done my fair share of psychedelics. I don't see how 7 hits is disappointing you. I'm reluctant to even dare take 7 of these man. I don't think you got Lucy, or maybe you got some weak Lucy. The main problem though, is your mind.
I can't imagine tripping with someone who is rambling on about how "This, this and this isn't happening" and asking why certain visuals aren't happening. Shit, as intense as the visuals you're seeking are, they are merely background effects compared to the mind fuck. Go into trips with a new attitude and get rid of those expectations, if you can't help it, maybe psychedelics aren't for you.
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: SunnyD]
#19272765 - 12/13/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also at this point sense of time was fucked up but i wasnt having time dilation AT ALL! and that triggered another pychotic fit... i kept getting so pissed offf. Pretty much then til now have been a shitty pissed mood......
It's like you are trying to dictate what the trip is supposed to be about. That's not how it works.
Control freaks usually hate psychedelics, and you are being control freaky about it, getting pissed when the experience isn't bending to your will.
This is the opposite of what it's supposed to be about. Tripping is kinda like inviting over some new crazy guests, but then you're getting pissed at them when they want to go swimming and then dancing rather than play darts all night. It's not all about you, you're there to interact with the guest you brought into your mental home, not force it to bend to your will and then get angry when nobody is having a good time.
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IMO the experience has way more to do with your state of mind and setting than the dose. I've had times during trips where I overthought it and absolutely killed the open eye visual aspect of it. During those times I usually sit and meditate and explore my mind. These chemicals shouldn't be classified as "drugs". They're tools to explore your own mind. It's not all bells and whistles sometimes  Didn't Grof find out that certain people with obsessive tendencies usually take alot more LSD to have a breakthrough experience?
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It was just a bad trip, defintly no where near the worst. And yes i feel the lsd for around 12 hours. but the first 6 is what i would consider tripping. And yes i will never exspect anything anymore ill just let it flow....
Thank you guys! 
Blotter is also completly tasteless no numbing or nothing. Im sure its just 50ug hits weak hits but 3+ is serious tripping 7 was intense!
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Re: Just took 7 hits of L [Re: SunnyD]
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7 hits when i took that dose this one time had aliens abducting me and they were playing a video camera of what i was actually seeing while i was being disected like a matrix effect... i had a tolerance of 4 tabs 5 days before
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I don't think I've ever experienced time dilation...
I go into trips expecting nothing. Only then can I really analyze the experience for what it was and not what I was or wasn't expecting.
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