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Fuck religion
    #19268369 - 12/12/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was on a well known social media website tonight, I seen this shit and it made me sick  :argh:

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Kid: please don't forget to pack the food for the poor people in my school tomorrow.

Mommy: Sure, are we not poor ourselves?

Kid: No Mommy, we have food to eat and I have toys to play.

Mommy: (Smiled) Good one. That's why we thank God always for what we have.

Mommy, does God takes care of the poor?

Mommy: Of course.

Kid:Why does he make typhoon people hungry in the Philippines and in Africa? I don't want God to take care of me always, I want him to take care of the poor.

Mommy: Taken aback by the question and sat in silence for a while looking at the wondering and innocent child).

Kid: Tell me mommy, is God really watching everybody? Can he not only watch the poor people instead?

Mommy: God takes care of everyone and minds everybody in the world. Sometimes, he gives a test to some people and some part of the world to keep them strong.

Kid: Mommy, are they in school too to have the test? How can they pass the test if they are hungry?

Mommy: (Now, I am in deep trouble.) My child, the world is so big and it is sometimes hard to understand. No matter what happens, God takes care of everyone. Sleep for now and soon you will get what I mean.

Kid: (Suddenly bursted into tears) I really hope God will take care of the poor.I don't want them to die.

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I understand that this is a piece of crap thats been pulled from some christian website and has since been thrown around fb and the likes a million times. Still pisses me off that there are people out there who will force this into their kids heads

I find it very ironic that in this exchange the child asks the more pressing and logical questions.

Here is a small human being who is trying to make sense of the world. He or she, probably not even ten years old is already finding flaws with the most basic concepts of christian dogma

And what does the adult say.....?

Well the adult has to think to respond... and she doesnt come up with any answers. The adult comes up with some contrary bullshit that doesnt make any sense at all or address the valid points brought up by this child.

I can understand if anyone has a personal faith in god or whatever you want to call it. I dont have the answers - no one does. I bet theres an almost infinite amount of shit that we do not know about. This brainwashing pisses me off. Feel sorry for the kids. I can only imagie how skewed my world view would be if I was raised to beleive that some twat killed thousands of people in the phillipines just to test my faith. Rant over


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo] * 1
    #19268398 - 12/12/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268407 - 12/12/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What does religion have to do with this? You're talking about what people do in the name of religion not religion in and of itself. (That also means people using religion to their own ends)


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo] * 2
    #19268435 - 12/12/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My beef is with organised religion. What made me sick about this was that you have a parent who so heavily forcing their own personal dogma on their kids. Again - I have no problem if you or anyone else believes in god or a higher power, I see absolutely nothing wrong with this because none of us know any of the big answers to any big questions.

What sickens me here is that you have a child that is extremely bright, who is at a stage in its life where it is trying to make sense of the world around it. What this child gets for answers is some hocus pocus bullshit about god killing people to test our faith. This is what I have a problem with... what I posted was a pretty extreme example but its pretty common in some circles.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268445 - 12/12/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Organized religion isn't necessarily like that either.. There are tons of churches and gatherings in each particular religion then are much more open minded about things.. The world is huge, you can't classify anything to just a specific topic.. Like saying all religion is bad, or all police or bad..etc. etc.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19268479 - 12/12/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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LordSenate said:
The world is huge, you can't classify anything to just a specific topic.. Like saying all religion is bad, or all police or bad..etc. etc.




Im going to say that organised religion in general (life isnt black and white) is bad. Thinks its out of date.

Cant hate on the fake parent and child in the above copy and paste. They have good intentions, and good hearts too. Would like to have those people looking out for me.

Thing is with most organised religions it boils down to some crackpot idea that some peasant was gods spawn a couple thousand years ago when the earth was flat and stoning people was in fashion. That dialogue belongs in that time. Honestly, can you imagine talking to your kid like that?


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268489 - 12/12/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

As with anything, it all depends on how you use it. Religion can effectively help raise peoples spirits and push through things that otherwise would be very difficult. As you've mentioned though that people can misuse it as well.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate] * 1
    #19268503 - 12/12/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

religion isn't the problem, it's the majority of people who follow it.  Muslims don't preach to blow people up, christianity doesn't preach to be redneck antisemetic assholes, FUCK society in general.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Fuckspice] * 1
    #19268513 - 12/12/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah.. Religion at its essence is pretty harmless. I've certainly met muslims as well as christians that are very friendly and open-minded.. and what nothing more than to live in peace.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Fuckspice]
    #19268522 - 12/12/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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religion isn't the problem, it's the majority of people who follow it.  Muslims don't preach to blow people up, christianity doesn't preach to be redneck antisemetic assholes, FUCK society in general.




Yeah pretty much. Society has its good moments though. People are alright too, most of 'em


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268542 - 12/12/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I grew up really depressed.  Was brought up Catholic and honestly my belief in a god got me through some really tough times.

When I got to be an adult I "grew into myself", questioned those childhood beliefs in a god, and now I don't believe anymore.

I can't say growing up with religion hurt or confused me at all. :shrug:

The confusion came when I reached adulthood and the age of reason, but that confusion really didn't last long. 

Santa really enriched my childhood.  I don't believe in Santa anymore either.  (Sorry, underage Pubbers).


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Set]
    #19268621 - 12/12/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I grew up really depressed.  Was brought up Catholic and honestly my belief in a god got me through some really tough times.

When I got to be an adult I "grew into myself", questioned those childhood beliefs in a god, and now I don't believe anymore.

I can't say growing up with religion hurt or confused me at all. :shrug:

The confusion came when I reached adulthood and the age of reason, but that confusion really didn't last long. 

Santa really enriched my childhood.  I don't believe in Santa anymore either.  (Sorry, underage Pubbers).




Good post. I was brought up christian but never really bought into it. I came to the conclusion that organised religion is BS in my early teens. Religion has not been a notably negative factor in my life.

I've thought about this before, I dunno, I think that we dont need dogma or organised religion to instill morals. I dont think that we need organised religion to give people hope. All I need is help from friends and family or maybe if I wasnt so lucky a good samaritan.

I just hate these fairy tail notions of god killing people haphazardly for any reason at all. It is insanity. Im sure there are millions and millions or people in the world that have felt some kind of positive enrichment from religion. What Im ranting about is the dogma that insists that you must believe the way I believe; that you must worship the way I worship. And all of the crackpot bullshit that goes with it. And there is a lot of bullshit


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268656 - 12/12/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Some people need the reassurance that there's a benevolent bearded man in the clouds looking out for them. I don't dislike them for it.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19268707 - 12/12/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Some people need the reassurance that there's a benevolent bearded man in the clouds looking out for them. I don't dislike them for it.




I dont think anybody needs it though. There are societies/cultures in the world where people dont have this kind of cosmic view and they seem to lead pretty normal lives. I may tell my kid that santa clause exists just becaues it made my childhood that bit more magical... no one lives past 16 without realising that santa claus was just a fairy tale and that its a complete fabrication.

Telling my kid that other people died so that God could test our faith? Thats what I have a massive problem with


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268711 - 12/12/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah but what's the point in disliking people for being different from you? It's not going to change anything. It's just gonna make you bitter and less likeable.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268735 - 12/12/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I may tell my kid that santa clause exists just becaues it made my childhood that bit more magical... no one lives past 16 without realising that santa claus was just a fairy tale and that its a complete fabrication.



When my sister and I were kids we'd ask my dad "Is Santa Claus really real?"

My dad would always answer "Of course!  I definitely believe in him!"

(my dad was Santa :lol:)

This is slightly off topic, though maybe not.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19268752 - 12/12/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah but what's the point in disliking people for being different from you? It's not going to change anything. It's just gonna make you bitter and less likeable.




Well it goes past the petty personal bullshit of being bitter or caring about how likable/unlikable I am. I dont really give a shit about myself. I dont hate or hold it against people who are brought up into this shit. It is what it is.

What concerns me is that my children or your children might have to grow up in a social climate where this fantasy bullshit has some kind of place in normal dialogue


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268755 - 12/12/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck people who divide people.


Religion has nothing to do with it.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19268781 - 12/13/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Some people need the reassurance that there's a benevolent bearded man in the clouds looking out for them. I don't dislike them for it.



I'm highly skeptical that anyone truly needs the reassurance of that exact scenario. I think that many people need certain things that they receive from that belief (like sense of community/belonging, finding purpose, moral direction), though I'm fairly confident that any given positive of religious faith can be attained elsewhere - to at least an equivalent degree and by means that don't require supporting and perpetuating, either directly or indirectly, an ancient social construct responsible for unfathomable amounts of prejudice, repression, and suffering.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19268791 - 12/13/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Fuck people who divide people.


Religion has nothing to do with it.



I feel like that is just human nature to divide people.  Religion can be good and bad obviously
  Karl marx has some interesting things to say about religion.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19268795 - 12/13/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Fuck people who divide people.


Religion has nothing to do with it.




I like this. As a  species we need to learn to live and work together. On a global scale. Personally think organised religion is completely at odds with this objective. Wont hold it against a man or woman for being christian, hindu or whatever. Just think that thats the one of the fundamental aspects of a lot of religions - get on board or burn in hell :shrug:


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268799 - 12/13/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Nemmies said:
I feel like that is just human nature to divide people.  Religion can be good and bad obviously
  Karl marx has some interesting things to say about religion.



So does Dawkins:

"In my view not only is science corrosive to religion, but religion is corrosive to science. It teaches people to be satisfied with trivial, supernatural, non-explanations – and blinds them to the wonderful real explanations that we have within our grasp. It teaches them to accept authority, revelation, and faith –  instead of always insisting on evidence. "


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268810 - 12/13/13 12:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Just think that thats the one of the fundamental aspects of a lot of religions - get on board or burn in hell :shrug:




they are trying to help you, not the religion's fault you're dead set on going to hell

i think we all know who the real villian is here: FB


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268835 - 12/13/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Just think that thats the one of the fundamental aspects of a lot of religions - get on board or burn in hell :shrug:




No sir.
Christianity is the primary one that asserts this position; and it's only certain denominations of Christianity as well (though most of the popular ones now days are a part of this school of thought).

And that only came about later on in the development of Christianity. Like with the Councils of Nicea, the crusades, and multiple inquisitions.

The Gnostics believed God was in everyone and that being a good person was more important than surrendering yourself to the Christian life.

Sects of Islam also assert this as well; but Christianity was the first one to make it a major element in their religious institution.


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    #19268843 - 12/13/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think you are downplaying the role of Muslims in that regard. You only have to look at anywhere else in the world to see that the amount of people that believe in the "get on board or burn in hell" is extremely prevalent.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268845 - 12/13/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Well it goes past the petty personal bullshit of being bitter or caring about how likable/unlikable I am. I dont really give a shit about myself. I dont hate or hold it against people who are brought up into this shit. It is what it is.

What concerns me is that my children or your children might have to grow up in a social climate where this fantasy bullshit has some kind of place in normal dialogue



I don't see any problem with the story in your first post. ( I think it was a nice little story) Seems to me the mother was giving the kid the best answers she could. Being put on the spot. So what is your major malfunction? And yes you are Unlikable, Know why? Cause you are being a Pseudo-Intellectual sanctimonious prick that can't respect others views. I am a total dick but I also understand that people are entitled to their opinions no matter how wrong I may think they are. So you dis-agree so fuckin what? Ain't no skin of your back.


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    #19268851 - 12/13/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Unifloo said:

Well it goes past the petty personal bullshit of being bitter or caring about how likable/unlikable I am. I dont really give a shit about myself. I dont hate or hold it against people who are brought up into this shit. It is what it is.

What concerns me is that my children or your children might have to grow up in a social climate where this fantasy bullshit has some kind of place in normal dialogue



I don't see any problem with the story in your first post. ( I think it was a nice little story) Seems to me the mother was giving the kid the best answers she could. Being put on the spot. So what is your major malfunction? And yes you are Unlikable, Know why? Cause you are being a Pseudo-Intellectual sanctimonious prick that can't respect others views. I am a total dick but I also understand that people are entitled to their opinions no matter how wrong I may think they are. So you dis-agree so fuckin what? Ain't no skin of your back.




How can someone even say that its "fantasy bullshit"... You can't safely say it is or isn't fantasy and to try and do that would be pretty damn silly.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19268854 - 12/13/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Christianity is a mind control method of the masses.
Teaching that it is beneficial to be poor and work hard in attempts to reach heaven.  The rich are the unlucky ones because they will not be accepted into heaven.


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    #19268870 - 12/13/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah that's not a gross generalization or anything......


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19268876 - 12/13/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Unifloo said:

Well it goes past the petty personal bullshit of being bitter or caring about how likable/unlikable I am. I dont really give a shit about myself. I dont hate or hold it against people who are brought up into this shit. It is what it is.

What concerns me is that my children or your children might have to grow up in a social climate where this fantasy bullshit has some kind of place in normal dialogue



I don't see any problem with the story in your first post. ( I think it was a nice little story) Seems to me the mother was giving the kid the best answers she could. Being put on the spot. So what is your major malfunction? And yes you are Unlikable, Know why? Cause you are being a Pseudo-Intellectual sanctimonious prick that can't respect others views. I am a total dick but I also understand that people are entitled to their opinions no matter how wrong I may think they are. So you dis-agree so fuckin what? Ain't no skin of your back.




How can someone even say that its "fantasy bullshit"... You can't safely say it is or isn't fantasy and to try and do that would be pretty damn silly.




Basically any person that tells their kids that thousands of people somewhere in the world died just to test your faith are dangerous and need to be called on their bullshit


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19268878 - 12/13/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think you are downplaying the role of Muslims in that regard. You only have to look at anywhere else in the world to see that the amount of people that believe in the "get on board or burn in hell" is extremely prevalent.




True. Though there are many sects of Islam that do not assert this.


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    #19268881 - 12/13/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

look into it a bit.  it was marx' main point in his literature. 
Sure it is general, but I still think it is valid.
You dont think religion is a damn good method of mind control?


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: thelanzii]
    #19268883 - 12/13/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Society is as much a form of mind control as religion.
Religion just happens to be a little more narrow minded...


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268884 - 12/13/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You make it sound like religion in and of itself is fantasy bullshit.. Which certainly can't be proven or disproved. There is also no way for you to know that a thousand people died to test someones faith either.


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    #19268888 - 12/13/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

advertising is mind control to the unsuspecting viewer, religion is devotional trance (sometimes, not always). there's a huge difference.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: g00ru]
    #19268890 - 12/13/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Even mind control in the form of advertisement can be effective even to the suspecting viewer. Sometimes it is very subtle yet very effective.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19268898 - 12/13/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Well it goes past the petty personal bullshit of being bitter or caring about how likable/unlikable I am. I dont really give a shit about myself. I dont hate or hold it against people who are brought up into this shit. It is what it is.

What concerns me is that my children or your children might have to grow up in a social climate where this fantasy bullshit has some kind of place in normal dialogue



I don't see any problem with the story in your first post. ( I think it was a nice little story) Seems to me the mother was giving the kid the best answers she could. Being put on the spot. So what is your major malfunction? And yes you are Unlikable, Know why? Cause you are being a Pseudo-Intellectual sanctimonious prick that can't respect others views. I am a total dick but I also understand that people are entitled to their opinions no matter how wrong I may think they are. So you dis-agree so fuckin what? Ain't no skin of your back.




How can someone even say that its "fantasy bullshit"... You can't safely say it is or isn't fantasy and to try and do that would be pretty
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You can't *safely* say that wizards and elves are or are not fantasy bullshit by the same token. You can be pretty fucking confident they're fantasy though, and to claim otherwise would be... pretty damn silly.


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    #19268906 - 12/13/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

for sure, gotta keep the focus up so they can't pull a fast one on ya


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    #19268918 - 12/13/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That's why I stopped watching television.
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    #19268920 - 12/13/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You can't *safely* say that wizards and elves are or are not fantasy bullshit by the same token. You can be pretty fucking confident they're fantasy though, and to claim otherwise would be... pretty damn silly.




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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268921 - 12/13/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like that new pope. It's true that he hasn't "done" much, but I'm beginning to suspect he might actually believe the shit he says, and when it comes to Catholic Clout that goes a long way.

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    #19268926 - 12/13/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's definitely not the same thing.. Saying something you can't see (thats physical) you can say is fantasy more so then what I was saying.

Can you say you've never seen an elf? Yeah.. has anyone else? Not anyone that's sane.

Can you say a thousand people didn't die to test someones faith ? No... can you say they did? No.. But either way you can't see it.. It's not like a golden line appears from each one of them connecting to a person saying "I died to test you"

Saying god exists or not is the same exact thing. Things happen that certainly beg the question if there really is one.. It's completely different then saying elves and wizards aren't fantasy. If there were any on the planet, someone would know about it.

That's not even taking into account how large the universe is and if they could possibly be on another planet.

Assuming anything in this world is silly.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19268930 - 12/13/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You make it sound like religion in and of itself is fantasy bullshit.. Which certainly can't be proven or disproved. There is also no way for you to know that a thousand people died to test someones faith either.




Yes sir. And while we are at it there is no way for you to disprove that earth is a dangleberry of the arse of a . . midget from ridgel7. We have 50/50 odds here


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268935 - 12/13/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You could at least be a little more creative. Your use of sarcasm could use a little work.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268937 - 12/13/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's alright.. If there is a burning abyss and you have to burn in agony for eternity, I think you will regret your closed mindedness.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19268940 - 12/13/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

God is a psychological construct, just as we are.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19268950 - 12/13/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know what he is or isn't personally. I don't know what to believe but I certainly keep an open mind.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19268961 - 12/13/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

God was there before and after you were there. That's really all there is to know. :shrug:


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    #19268968 - 12/13/13 01:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would hope for more information to analyze before I made a proper decision. That goes for beliefs in general not in just the interpretation of a god.


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    #19268969 - 12/13/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You could at least be a little more creative. Your use of sarcasm could use a little work.




That wasnt sarcasm. It was idle speculation tossed in there in the mix with yours. Its purpose wasnt too make you feel bad or put your down, just said to illustrate how facile that argument is. But screw it, its a good one. We all are clueless. I stand by original statement that children should not be told that people die in the 'pines just for stupid game of faith chicken. These people deserve to be struck by gods lightening


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
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I would hope for more information to analyze before I made a proper decision. That goes for beliefs in general not in just the interpretation of a god.




God was before information and without. Information reflects God the way a two-dimensional mirror reflects three-dimensional reality. God is not in the details.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268979 - 12/13/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with you in that scenario. I personally think that religion is very useful for getting through the difficult times in life when you don't have any hope and feel helpless. Pushing heavy religion on someone in the early stages of their life is pretty cruel. Setting them up with a belief system and trying to guide them in the "right" direction is alright I suppose but still even as a child they should have some choice in the matter.. You are setting them up for when they get old so they ARE able to question things and figure out what they believe. Not force it down their throats.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19268982 - 12/13/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I would hope for more information to analyze before I made a proper decision. That goes for beliefs in general not in just the interpretation of a god.




God was before information and without. Information reflects God the way a two-dimensional mirror reflects three-dimensional reality. God is not in the details.




I suppose I should have said that it's not so much the understanding God that I would like more information on. To some extent but other things I am more interested in. I do learn more towards there being a God but all the stuff surrounding that is what I ponder on.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19268992 - 12/13/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

IME, the fear of God is the only way to know God. The Bible is full of the writings of astonishingly fearful people.


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    #19269001 - 12/13/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would hope so. Anyone that could create this world and universe would be someone to fear.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19269007 - 12/13/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why should God be feared when you can create the world in your sleep?


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19269013 - 12/13/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I personally don't believe a dream is tangible. This world and my experiences in it certainly may not be but they feel like it, that's all I have to go with right now.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19269020 - 12/13/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's pretty much the same as a dream. You assume it's tangible because it is tangible on limited demand, just like a dream.


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    #19269033 - 12/13/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I assume that it's tangible because of its consistency not because of its limited demand.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19269038 - 12/13/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It's completely different then saying elves and wizards aren't fantasy. If there were any on the planet, someone would know about it.



Why do you think someone would know have to know about it? Maybe they're sneaky, or invisible. You can't be 100% that they aren't. Besides, how do you know there isn't someone who knows about it? These questions illustrate the assumptions you made and also reinforce that the belief in mythical creatures is analogous to belief in God.

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That's definitely not the same thing.. Saying something you can't see (thats physical) you can say is fantasy more so then what I was saying.

Can you say you've never seen an elf? Yeah.. has anyone else? Not anyone that's sane.

Can you say a thousand people didn't die to test someones faith ? No... can you say they did? No.. But either way you can't see it.. It's not like a golden line appears from each one of them connecting to a person saying "I died to test you"

Saying god exists or not is the same exact thing. Things happen that certainly beg the question if there really is one.. It's completely different then saying elves and wizards aren't fantasy. If there were any on the planet, someone would know about it.

That's not even taking into account how large the universe is and if they could possibly be on another planet.

Assuming anything in this world is silly.




I agree that assuming, that is- accepting something to be the case in the absence of evidence- is silly. Totally illogical, really. But that's what people who have "faith" are doing. Believing in the Judeo-Christian-Muslim god is basically the assumption of all assumptions.

It isn't, however, silly to choose one option over another as a result of available evidence. For example: you stand up from watching TV and realize your wallet is missing. It was in your pocket earlier that day, you're sure of it. A little later you find it on your car seat. No surprise; you've even noticed a time or two in the past the exact moment when your wallet has slid out of your back pocket. But, there's a possibility, however slight, that someone sneaked up behind you as you walked into your home, snatched your wallet out of your pocket, and placed it on your seat, just for kicks. It's impossible to truly know that this did not happen, but given everything you know, it seems massively unlikely. The point is that just because you don't know an answer to a question with 100% certainty, it does not mean that all potential answers are equally feasible.

Similarly and for the sake of absolute clarity: The fact that we don't know with flawless certainty how we as a species, or the universe in general came to be does nothing to support the possibility of a god's existence.

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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19269046 - 12/13/13 01:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I assume that it's tangible because of its consistency not because of its limited demand.




Ever had a dream world that you returned to over a number of nights?

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    #19269073 - 12/13/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19269074 - 12/13/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19269089 - 12/13/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I assume that it's tangible because of its consistency not because of its limited demand.




Ever had a dream world that you returned to over a number of nights?

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    #19269119 - 12/13/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19269128 - 12/13/13 02:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I assume that it's tangible because of its consistency not because of its limited demand.




Ever had a dream world that you returned to over a number of nights?

No difference.




Not enough nights to feel that it's tangible.




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    #19269136 - 12/13/13 02:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I really don't feel like taking the time to go through all the lists of things that make me think that I believe there is some form of god out there. The only thing I can say without putting in much effort is just pondering the scope of the universe and all the inner workings. (Whether you want to say that it does nothing to support the existance of a god or not). Maybe you personally think that in and of itself isn't enough to seriously make you think but it does for me. It's one thing to say we haven't figured out how DNA works completely, or we haven't documented all the animals on the planet... but it is a billion times more profound when you take into consider the sheer scope of the universe and just the "little" amount of things that we know about it. There are many things that are far more simple that still makes me believe that they are so unbelievable that there probably is something behind all of this. Whether it is or isn't a god is besides the point, I've already said numerous times that I don't believe in one thing or the other. Like I said I just don't feel comfortable believing in either side for the time being. I guess I keep throwing the word god out there like that is exactly what I think... that's not exactly what I mean. I mean more that there is something behind all this, be it a computer program and this is all just some code.. or a god, or whatever else you can come up with. I just don't personally feel that this life is just happenstance.

Also I said exactly what you said in your first sentence. I've already mentioned numerous times that faith is effective at helping people through crisis. However I wouldn't consider it "blind" faith. Believing blindly in a god is one thing but there are certainly other things that various religions are based on that are tangible. The basic concepts can help you through difficult situations as well. Putting your hope into something isn't necessarily blind faith either at least in my opinion. I suppose it depends how its used.. if you believe to the very core of your soul that something is true, I wouldn't just call it blind faith. Although I certainly understand what you mean.

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    #19269143 - 12/13/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

lol..

http://www.natureknows.org/2013/11/amazing-macro-photography-of-individual.html


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    #19269181 - 12/13/13 02:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Whether it is or isn't a god is besides the point, I've already said numerous times that I don't believe in one thing or the other. Like I said I just don't feel comfortable believing in either side for the time being. I guess I keep throwing the word god out there like that is exactly what I think... that's not exactly what I mean. I mean more that there is something behind all this, be it a computer program and this is all just some code.. or a god, or whatever else you can come up with. I just don't personally feel that this life is just happenstance.



Oh okay. That changes my idea of what you were saying a little bit. I would have been totally on board with that at one point, and I still am to an extent. Acceptance of the fact that our knowledge of the world around us is hilariously limited, and also that the world/life is mind bendingly remarkable are two pretty central facets of my beliefs.

Haha, those pictures are awesome. If you really like naturey stuff like that and you're in the neighborhood for something to read, I think you would really enjoy The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins. I wish I had read it years ago. He explains how complex life developed from nonliving particles by using incredibly simple analogies and it rules. There's a really cool part about the formation of crystals and how they relate to living organisms.


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    #19269264 - 12/13/13 03:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'll have to check it out sometime.

I try not to get in depth with trying to comprehend and understand things at this point in my life. I have too many mental and physical issues going on for me to effectively ponder something of that magnitude. I have brief moments where I let my mind wonder but I try not to spend too much time on it. I certainly plan to in the future though.


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    #19269284 - 12/13/13 03:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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