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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268921 - 12/13/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like that new pope. It's true that he hasn't "done" much, but I'm beginning to suspect he might actually believe the shit he says, and when it comes to Catholic Clout that goes a long way.

What? I didn't read the OP.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #19268926 - 12/13/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's definitely not the same thing.. Saying something you can't see (thats physical) you can say is fantasy more so then what I was saying.

Can you say you've never seen an elf? Yeah.. has anyone else? Not anyone that's sane.

Can you say a thousand people didn't die to test someones faith ? No... can you say they did? No.. But either way you can't see it.. It's not like a golden line appears from each one of them connecting to a person saying "I died to test you"

Saying god exists or not is the same exact thing. Things happen that certainly beg the question if there really is one.. It's completely different then saying elves and wizards aren't fantasy. If there were any on the planet, someone would know about it.

That's not even taking into account how large the universe is and if they could possibly be on another planet.

Assuming anything in this world is silly.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19268930 - 12/13/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You make it sound like religion in and of itself is fantasy bullshit.. Which certainly can't be proven or disproved. There is also no way for you to know that a thousand people died to test someones faith either.




Yes sir. And while we are at it there is no way for you to disprove that earth is a dangleberry of the arse of a . . midget from ridgel7. We have 50/50 odds here


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268935 - 12/13/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You could at least be a little more creative. Your use of sarcasm could use a little work.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268937 - 12/13/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's alright.. If there is a burning abyss and you have to burn in agony for eternity, I think you will regret your closed mindedness.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19268940 - 12/13/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

God is a psychological construct, just as we are.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19268950 - 12/13/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know what he is or isn't personally. I don't know what to believe but I certainly keep an open mind.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19268961 - 12/13/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

God was there before and after you were there. That's really all there is to know. :shrug:


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19268968 - 12/13/13 01:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would hope for more information to analyze before I made a proper decision. That goes for beliefs in general not in just the interpretation of a god.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate] * 1
    #19268969 - 12/13/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You could at least be a little more creative. Your use of sarcasm could use a little work.




That wasnt sarcasm. It was idle speculation tossed in there in the mix with yours. Its purpose wasnt too make you feel bad or put your down, just said to illustrate how facile that argument is. But screw it, its a good one. We all are clueless. I stand by original statement that children should not be told that people die in the 'pines just for stupid game of faith chicken. These people deserve to be struck by gods lightening


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19268975 - 12/13/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I would hope for more information to analyze before I made a proper decision. That goes for beliefs in general not in just the interpretation of a god.




God was before information and without. Information reflects God the way a two-dimensional mirror reflects three-dimensional reality. God is not in the details.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Unifloo]
    #19268979 - 12/13/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with you in that scenario. I personally think that religion is very useful for getting through the difficult times in life when you don't have any hope and feel helpless. Pushing heavy religion on someone in the early stages of their life is pretty cruel. Setting them up with a belief system and trying to guide them in the "right" direction is alright I suppose but still even as a child they should have some choice in the matter.. You are setting them up for when they get old so they ARE able to question things and figure out what they believe. Not force it down their throats.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19268982 - 12/13/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I would hope for more information to analyze before I made a proper decision. That goes for beliefs in general not in just the interpretation of a god.




God was before information and without. Information reflects God the way a two-dimensional mirror reflects three-dimensional reality. God is not in the details.




I suppose I should have said that it's not so much the understanding God that I would like more information on. To some extent but other things I am more interested in. I do learn more towards there being a God but all the stuff surrounding that is what I ponder on.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19268992 - 12/13/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

IME, the fear of God is the only way to know God. The Bible is full of the writings of astonishingly fearful people.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19269001 - 12/13/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would hope so. Anyone that could create this world and universe would be someone to fear.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19269007 - 12/13/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why should God be feared when you can create the world in your sleep?


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19269013 - 12/13/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I personally don't believe a dream is tangible. This world and my experiences in it certainly may not be but they feel like it, that's all I have to go with right now.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19269020 - 12/13/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's pretty much the same as a dream. You assume it's tangible because it is tangible on limited demand, just like a dream.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19269033 - 12/13/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I assume that it's tangible because of its consistency not because of its limited demand.


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Re: Fuck religion [Re: LordSenate]
    #19269038 - 12/13/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It's completely different then saying elves and wizards aren't fantasy. If there were any on the planet, someone would know about it.



Why do you think someone would know have to know about it? Maybe they're sneaky, or invisible. You can't be 100% that they aren't. Besides, how do you know there isn't someone who knows about it? These questions illustrate the assumptions you made and also reinforce that the belief in mythical creatures is analogous to belief in God.

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That's definitely not the same thing.. Saying something you can't see (thats physical) you can say is fantasy more so then what I was saying.

Can you say you've never seen an elf? Yeah.. has anyone else? Not anyone that's sane.

Can you say a thousand people didn't die to test someones faith ? No... can you say they did? No.. But either way you can't see it.. It's not like a golden line appears from each one of them connecting to a person saying "I died to test you"

Saying god exists or not is the same exact thing. Things happen that certainly beg the question if there really is one.. It's completely different then saying elves and wizards aren't fantasy. If there were any on the planet, someone would know about it.

That's not even taking into account how large the universe is and if they could possibly be on another planet.

Assuming anything in this world is silly.




I agree that assuming, that is- accepting something to be the case in the absence of evidence- is silly. Totally illogical, really. But that's what people who have "faith" are doing. Believing in the Judeo-Christian-Muslim god is basically the assumption of all assumptions.

It isn't, however, silly to choose one option over another as a result of available evidence. For example: you stand up from watching TV and realize your wallet is missing. It was in your pocket earlier that day, you're sure of it. A little later you find it on your car seat. No surprise; you've even noticed a time or two in the past the exact moment when your wallet has slid out of your back pocket. But, there's a possibility, however slight, that someone sneaked up behind you as you walked into your home, snatched your wallet out of your pocket, and placed it on your seat, just for kicks. It's impossible to truly know that this did not happen, but given everything you know, it seems massively unlikely. The point is that just because you don't know an answer to a question with 100% certainty, it does not mean that all potential answers are equally feasible.

Similarly and for the sake of absolute clarity: The fact that we don't know with flawless certainty how we as a species, or the universe in general came to be does nothing to support the possibility of a god's existence.

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Things happen that certainly beg the question if there really is one..




I strongly disagree. What sorts of things?


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