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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: MMagg] * 1
    #19238430 - 12/06/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Came across a lengthy yet fascinating article about the history of shroomery.

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... there are more reasons to think of brown rice as superb. In the 1980s, German mycologist Dr. Jochen Gartz, went so far as to file a patent (No. 88-09773, Akad. Wiss. DDR) on brown rice after his discovery that this medium supported the cultivation of P. cubensis of unprecedented potency--1% psilocybin/psilocin by dry weight (which almost equals Panaeolus cyanescens), the highest natural potency ever reported of this mushroom.
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Grain Prep Tek BURST grains [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #19247148 - 12/08/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I recently used 2 quarts of rye berries to 3.5 quarts water. I used your boil and pour tek with the grain in a 5gal. Letting it soak over night to reach about 16-18 hours the next morning. Stretching pantyhose over the bucket I strained for a bit and sat down to load jars.

It came out to be about 4 qts of hydrated grains. There was about 1.5 qts soak water afterwards. What I was puzzled about is when I loaded up the jars I ended up pulling a handful of burst grain out.

Is this normal? None of the grains where burst after sterilizing. They actually looked slightly dry.

I'll post pics later tho the quality is poor.


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Re: Grain Prep Tek BURST grains [Re: mushrume man]
    #19247702 - 12/08/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've had some problems with bursting rye if doing the pour-boiling-water method when the container poured into holds the heat very well.  I got a huge proportion of burst grains when I poured the rye into the pot with the boiling water, even removing it from heat immediately, for that same reason simply exaggerated.
For me it's just another reason to prefer grass seed since such bursting is practically impossible with it - but I suggest making sure you're pouring boiling water onto the grains in a container that won't hold the heat so well.  I don't know if your container (bucket?) does, but you'll get the gist upon trying some different things.

If you continue having problems with burst rye or millet, try having the grain in the water while it's being brought up to a boil.

As a relevant note, I've come to prefer the 2-day short-boil method by a notable margin.


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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: Violet]
    #19248097 - 12/08/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

As usual, great post Violet.

I used to do something similar to this when preparing WBS, but instead of the tote I would do it in 5 gallon buckets.
I abandoned ship on this method because I kept having bacteria issues
due to never being able to properly dry the off the exterior moisture from grains :shrug:

I really like your ideas about saving the grain water from the soak to use for a greener agar prep,
and I'll have to try this as I have started straining my rye grains over 5 gallon buckets anyway
in an attempt to use the steam from the water caught below to help dry the grain off faster.

Would you recommend using the grain water to mix in with pre-blended MEA, or strictly agar-agar?

For a little constructive criticism as far as the 'ferts' section goes,
I'd say you've got a little more experimentation to do yourself
before making them a subject more people will be willing to investigate.

Thanks for the input :cookiemonster:


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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #19248461 - 12/09/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I am working on a truffle project so I went with rye as you suggested.

Here is a few pics
Before

After sterilize





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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #19249240 - 12/09/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mod edit:
Stay on topic anne,
and stop this "v tekkers vs. the barn ostrich" bullshit,
because you ruin all Violet's threads with your nonsense.



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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: anne halonium]
    #19258213 - 12/10/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

hmm,
then we need a v tek mod to liven things up then.
note the pic below, this is how ya keep your PP5 ,
from getting gummy in the bottom and stalling.
assists bottom water, and  full container FAE.



we used this mod, in our exotic chicon nindo mexicana grow, v tek style.



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J. Jack Flash said:
Came across a lengthy yet fascinating article about the history of shroomery.

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... there are more reasons to think of brown rice as superb. In the 1980s, German mycologist Dr. Jochen Gartz, went so far as to file a patent (No. 88-09773, Akad. Wiss. DDR) on brown rice after his discovery that this medium supported the cultivation of P. cubensis of unprecedented potency--1% psilocybin/psilocin by dry weight (which almost equals Panaeolus cyanescens), the highest natural potency ever reported of this mushroom.
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and yet, so few have read that article.............


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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: anne halonium]
    #19266733 - 12/12/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks Violet, I'll try mixing it up a bit. Using my PC pot for the next batch for sure.

@ Anne Halonium
Looking at your pictures without any explanation is like playing a game of Where's Waldo!

I'm going out on a limb here, you cut out a disc of scotch-brite scrubby to put in the bottom of the container which helps to hold water and humidify the grain?

Sounds good to me:thumbup:


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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: mushrume man]
    #19266867 - 12/12/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's the right idea.

Although in my myco-scrubbie experiences I've found that specifically the scotchbrite brand ones have caused me problems...
I got mycelium to grow over them in the bottom of containers when done as Anne shows in that photo, but when I combine 3M scotchbrite with agar, Nothing survives.  Everything that contains the scotch-brite scrubbies in liquid is toxic to mycelium, not only stopping new growth from the inoculant but even killing the living mycelium of the inoculant.

All the scrubbies I've tried with agar have worked wonderfully!... except 3M scotchbrite.  So might as well never buy the scotchbrite, despite that they are usually the stiffer scour pads and that they appear to be colonized over when dry and under mycelium in grains.

It just weirds me out. There shouldn't be something about 3M's scrubbies that kill life, they should be nothing but plastic, like the others I've found that colonize beautifully regardless of use...



One thing is for sure,  using scrubbies with fungi is Amazing,
and the photo Anne just showed you is probably the least awesome use of scrubbies with fungi!


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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: Violet]
    #19267084 - 12/12/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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... leaving behind a thick almost syrup solution of grain starches and nutrients.  With ~1/3 the normal proportion agar-agar powder and a little help from another trick this amounts to more substrate, but that's something else altogether!





Hi violet.  What's this little trick of which you speak?  I'm starting to accumulate a pile of this stuff and was about to just feed it to the plants.  But if you happen to have a better idea...
:takingnotes:

also, i kinda like hearing that the 3M scrubbies kill stuff.  makes me feel less contaminated myself when grabbing a dirty one to scrub the bathtub.  anyway, thank you for real.


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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #19267336 - 12/12/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

3m scrubbers kill mycelium?

Wow that's something I'd never would have guessed.

Please share your experience with the scrubbies, feel free to PM me if you want to keep on subject here.

I also have some questions about the grain water. Do you let it settle out at room temp or in the fridge? How much does it take to get the syrupy looking liquid?

Also can you explain where you were going with this

"With ~1/3 the normal proportion agar-agar powder and a little help from another trick this amounts to more substrate, but that's something else altogether!"

You've sparked curiosity


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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: mushrume man]
    #19267505 - 12/12/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That "trick" is Anne's Pom tek, utilizing the scrubbies interestingly mentioned in the above posts.

Often ignorantly ridiculed by people who cannot see what's really being shown in Anne's intentionally subtle and discrete pictures, the Pom tek allows for lots of top-quality fruits to be grown from the grainwater that those same people are ignorantly wasting down their drains.

Grainwater, specifically the thick kinda-syrupy unclear grainwater stuffed with starches and all kinds of grain goods, has lots of growth and yield potential that's easy-to-access in the water, and used for super-easy 'neglect' invitro growing in containers with a fraction of normal amount of agar and with pom scrubbies as a colonizing and fruiting medium it offers an environment where side-pins are actually the ideal fruiting behavior (and practically the only one)!


However Anne is the person to talk to about that.  And it's not a topic to continue in this thread.
When she feels it's finally time to post the full teks somewhere you'll definitely want to be there to see.  My experience of the things I know to do so far has been incredible.

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3m scrubbers kill mycelium?  Wow that's something I'd never would have guessed.
Please share your experience with the scrubbies, feel free to PM me if you want to keep on subject here.



I do intend to keep on the thread's subject, but it's already mentioned in this post above so I'll wrap it up here too.

Honestly I also was truly surprised.  If it weren't that I did seemingly countless experiments to find out why all my initial attempts failed utterly despite No contams, and found that the only thing that caused the problem was the addition of scotch-brite scrubbies, I wouldn't have quickly believed it myself.
It's simple.  I use the same containers, the same grainwater, and the same agar for All my agar culturing.  Throwing in a small piece of 3m scrubbie causes all mycelium added to that container to die.  Other scrubbies, no problem!



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I also have some questions about the grain water. Do you let it settle out at room temp or in the fridge? How much does it take to get the syrupy looking liquid?



Yes, room temp out on the counter.  It can settle well in the fridge also.  But after my initial heat treatment of ALL fert growing materials, 24hrs later I give them a 2nd heat treatment before another day of waiting before either sterilizing or storing cold.

It usually settles quite quickly, say an hour to three, and it can continue to settle further to expose more of the 'clear' water.  Though I find that there's almost always more that can very slowly settle out of the more clear liquid like for culturing dishes, not that it needs to for use.


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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: Violet]
    #19268166 - 12/12/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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...  Everything that contains the scotch-brite scrubbies in liquid is toxic to mycelium, not only stopping new growth from the inoculant but even killing the living mycelium of the inoculant.

All the scrubbies I've tried with agar have worked wonderfully!... except 3M scotchbrite.  ...




Some scrubbies and most sponges are treated with an anti-fugal/bacterial to keep it from growing stuff on it while it sits there on the sink. The cheapo stuff usually doesn't.

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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: Fred Teddy]
    #19268173 - 12/12/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yet when 3M is asked if they add such treatments to scotch-brite scrubbies, the answer is a short and simple "No"


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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: Violet]
    #19271337 - 12/13/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the reply. That POM tek is just what I have been expecting to show up. Its inline with the revolutionary ideas I have been pondering for fungal cultivation.


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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: Violet]
    #19272355 - 12/13/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Yet when 3M is asked if they add such treatments to scotch-brite scrubbies, the answer is a short and simple "No"




Strange, 3m scubbies kill stuff, others don't, but "we dont put anything on it". ??? They must use that 'special' nylon I guess. Gotta be something different about them. I have read "anti fungal/bacterial" on sponge packages and scrubbie packages as well. Something to check for when purchasing. I was all cheebed up and put a sponge inside my sub once. Made sense at the time. Didn't notice much difference in the end, come to find out the myc filled every available space in the sponge, duh-feating the idea, lol. Note to self: No more brainstorms while really high.

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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: Fred Teddy]
    #19285687 - 12/16/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

pom tek is coming.
but,
not today on this thread.:heart:


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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: anne halonium]
    #19358691 - 01/02/14 01:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Would tossing in a bit of gypsum into the grass seed hurt, before I flash hydrate?


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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: Nope]
    #19358699 - 01/02/14 01:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A small amount of gypsum never hurts.....


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Re: Grain Prep Tek • All Grains, featuring Brown Rice & Grass Seed [Re: PussyFart]
    #19362541 - 01/03/14 09:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

gypsum not needed.
v-tek, is simple and straight as is.


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