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young people and psys
    #19266584 - 12/12/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

hey shroomery

has there been any studies done on the potential affect of psychedelics on developing minds?

i've been taking psychedelics regularly since i was around 16 and lately i've been wondering/worrying whether or not they could have had a negative impact.

any thoughts? what age would you say psychedelic use becomes mostly 'benign'? i've been thinking about maybe taking a break for a couple years till i hit 22- i don't want to regret this in later life


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Re: young people and psys [Re: tyleragk]
    #19266630 - 12/12/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know about any studies concerning psychs and younger people, though i do know that the chumash tribe as part of there adulthood rites would send there children at a certain age to an elder to consume a decotion of datura. This was said to make them completely forget there childhood and awaken as Men/Women. I am also sure i watched a documentary a while back about ayauhuasca and it had children as young as 9 or 10 going to the local curandero for healings with aya.


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Re: young people and psys [Re: tyleragk]
    #19266846 - 12/12/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Not enough research is allowed to be done in this area, so for now we really just don't know.


My opinion: If possible, psychedelics are probably best left for the fully grown human i.e. about 18-20. That being said, I began shrooming at around 16 as well.


Take breaks, no need to alter reality too much at such a young age. There will be plenty of time to do so.


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Re: young people and psys [Re: quantumFroth]
    #19266871 - 12/12/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

First shrooms also at age 16.

Psychs certainly haven't done me any harm (I'm now approaching 36), but I've always been good at self-regulating and knowing when to take an extended break from them. Interesting enough, it works the other way too - ie. knowing when to rekindle the love affair with psychs is just as important when you're older, in my humble opinion.


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Re: young people and psys [Re: Global_Roaming]
    #19267219 - 12/12/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I waited till 21. Psychedelics do more good than harm unless of course you abuse them. Any potential damage is most likely just a myth started by DARE or some religious nut job.

The recent research states that psychs are really beneficial for your brain anyways. Younger folks would probably benefit from them most IMO, especially ayahuasca which has a MAOI that naturally returns the brains chemicals to more balanced levels.


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Re: young people and psys [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19267250 - 12/12/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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GreyMorph said:
I waited till 21. Psychedelics do more good than harm unless of course you abuse them. Any potential damage is most likely just a myth started by DARE or some religious nut job.

The recent research states that psychs are really beneficial for your brain anyways. Younger folks would probably benefit from them most IMO, especially ayahuasca which has a MAOI that naturally returns the brains chemicals to more balanced levels.




I'd have to agree with GreyMorph here, I personally believe that responsible and sparing use of psychedelics could be beneficial to a child's state of mind and spiritual development.

I have no idea if there are any risks at a young age though, so I cannot say this with 100% certainty.

I took mushies first at 16 as well, and I believe that it changed me for the better! :mushroom2:


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Re: young people and psys [Re: MindDrips]
    #19267484 - 12/12/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think it all comes down to set and setting, no matter the age. Aswell as not abusing psychs just for a mind fuck which i know of some people who do


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Re: young people and psys [Re: newageshaman]
    #19267986 - 12/12/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I could see a kid eating mushrooms or something by mistake, they feel a little funny and their parents take them to the hospital and begins the traumatic experience. Take the same kid, lay them down and comfort them and guide them through it i dont think any damage would be done. Im not an expert or a doctor this is just my own thoughts.


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Re: young people and psys [Re: aw11driver]
    #19268004 - 12/12/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think it's safe regardless. When you're 16, no matter how mature you think you are, you're still a fucking brainless kid.


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Re: young people and psys [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19268155 - 12/12/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think it's safe regardless. When you're 16, no matter how mature you think you are, you're still a fucking brainless kid.




I get what you're trying to say, but your wording, you come off as immature and fucking ignorant.

At 16 I was "smarter" than a good portion of the teachers at my school. I could talk circles around them logically and make them look fucking silly.

This by no means is saying I was mature enough to start psych use, but when you use the word brainless it's just so disrespectful. Kids can't be fucking smart. That doesn't mean they're ready to grow up and learn the things that psychs can teach, but it still might give them a shove in that direction.

Brainless... You dult.


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Re: young people and psys [Re: DirtyTomFlint] * 1
    #19268184 - 12/12/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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When you're 16, no matter how mature you think you are, you're still a fucking brainless kid.




Not everyone is born equal in every respect. I started my undergrad degree at age 16, and before trying shrooms I'd read everything I could get my hands on about the subject from the local library (eg. Flesh of the Gods etc) including all manner of scientific papers.


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Re: young people and psys [Re: Global_Roaming] * 1
    #19268201 - 12/12/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the younger you are, the higher the likelihood that mushrooms will make you gay.


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Re: young people and psys [Re: bishlap]
    #19268227 - 12/12/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the younger you are, the higher the likelihood that mushrooms will make you gay.



finally, somebody shedding some true light on this subject. :iloveyou:


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Re: young people and psys [Re: bishlap]
    #19268256 - 12/12/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the younger you are, the higher the likelihood that mushrooms will make you gay.




I was gay before I took mushrooms, but they just made me more gay.
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Re: young people and psys [Re: MindDrips]
    #19273492 - 12/14/13 05:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It really boils down to what you do during your trips. If you watch TV or play video games that is the pathway to getting fried.

If you engage the mind with creative pursuits, studies, focused meditations, ritual, etc... you can elevate yourself to a higher level of coherency and function if you put enough energy into it.

Think of it this way: you are allowing yourself to be disassembled and then reassembled with the inclusion of the elements in your tripping activities.

As has been mentioned before, the ultimate price you pay for this is your gradual transition towards homosexuality, which in reality is the manifestation of becoming the alchemical hermaphrodite. If you are already gay it is because you consumed mushrooms in your previous life. The grandfather of someone I used to be friends with was a 33rd degree Mason and they found dildos in the attic after he died. It is known that ritual passive sodomy is the most high secret of the summits of magic and mysticism. Embrace this now, you the curious!


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Re: young people and psys [Re: blckmynnse8]
    #19279307 - 12/15/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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As has been mentioned before, the ultimate price you pay for this is your gradual transition towards homosexuality, which in reality is the manifestation of becoming the alchemical hermaphrodite. If you are already gay it is because you consumed mushrooms in your previous life. The grandfather of someone I used to be friends with was a 33rd degree Mason and they found dildos in the attic after he died. It is known that ritual passive sodomy is the most high secret of the summits of magic and mysticism. Embrace this now, you the curious!




:laugh2:

Embrace the mystical sodomy!! :awedance:


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Re: young people and psys [Re: MindDrips]
    #19279397 - 12/15/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Good question. Bet it depends more on the set and setting. Lots of kids screw around with pyschs and are fine, the teen yearrs are the experimenting years, trying to find yourself and all that.

On a more personal note one experience of mine showed me how teenagers using psychs and can be anything but good. I was at a bus station and saw these kids who were obviously high on mushrooms. They looked about 15 or so. One kid was was obviously having a blast just laughing at everything, i dont think 2 minutes passed where he wasnt laughing, but the other kid didnt look to good. Had a wicked deer in the headlght look and wasnt talking or anything.

It all seemed so wrong, them waiting for a bus tripping in public like that. Seems like abuse and thats not what pyschs are about.

In short younger kids will go into thesse experiences the way they go into smoking weed, too casually and increasing the chance for something to go wrong. Improper preparation, probably why these drugs are so demonized.


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Re: young people and psys [Re: MindDrips]
    #19279398 - 12/15/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

THe responsable dad part of me says that kids should wait until they're 18 to do any drugs, pot, drinking, etc..
But the rest of me, the part that knows how reality goes, understands taht most kids discover pot and alcohol at 14 (just like I did) and if there's an interest in tripping, that will probably happen at 16 (just like with me). 16 is actually a pretty good age, assuming the kid is somewhat responsible and sincerely interested in the psychedelic experience.

There's even an advantage to doing it at 16. When you're that young, you're not weighed down with real-world responsibilities. Respect your parents, your home, and get decent grades. If you're doing those three things, you're in the clear and you can trip with a clear mind and conscience. That's not so easy when full adulthood comes along. Me - I have a business to run, appointments to make, house/car/family to pay for. Two teenage boys to worry about. That's a lot of shit hanging over me which can subtract from a good trip. Tripping while young - have the experience before life gets all serious on you!


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Re: young people and psys [Re: blckmynnse8]
    #19279411 - 12/15/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: young people and psys [Re: rikuni]
    #19279416 - 12/15/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

BTW, it's interesting (annoying) how so many threads in the Shroomery go down this bad-gay-humor road. I'm all for funny things, but going on about how "shrooms make you gay" just doesn't induce a chuckle - at least in me. It's just stupid. Is this place full of homophobes or something? Latent homosexuals? What's the deal with that?


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Re: young people and psys [Re: Universe]
    #19279445 - 12/15/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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BTW, it's interesting (annoying) how so many threads in the Shroomery go down this bad-gay-humor road. I'm all for funny things, but going on about how "shrooms make you gay" just doesn't induce a chuckle - at least in me. It's just stupid. Is this place full of homophobes or something? Latent homosexuals? What's the deal with that?





THat must be the responsible dad in you lol :dancing:


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Re: young people and psys [Re: MindDrips]
    #19279626 - 12/15/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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As has been mentioned before, the ultimate price you pay for this is your gradual transition towards homosexuality, which in reality is the manifestation of becoming the alchemical hermaphrodite. If you are already gay it is because you consumed mushrooms in your previous life. The grandfather of someone I used to be friends with was a 33rd degree Mason and they found dildos in the attic after he died. It is known that ritual passive sodomy is the most high secret of the summits of magic and mysticism. Embrace this now, you the curious!




Amen, I just got banned because I said that mushrooms make you fucking gay as elton john. Some mods are just a bit weird.

But yea if you take shrooms you are soon gay and theres nothing you can do about it!:dancingbear:



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As has been mentioned before, the ultimate price you pay for this is your gradual transition towards homosexuality, which in reality is the manifestation of becoming the alchemical hermaphrodite. If you are already gay it is because you consumed mushrooms in your previous life. The grandfather of someone I used to be friends with was a 33rd degree Mason and they found dildos in the attic after he died. It is known that ritual passive sodomy is the most high secret of the summits of magic and mysticism. Embrace this now, you the curious!




:laugh2:

Embrace the mystical sodomy!! :awedance:




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blckmynnse8 said:

As has been mentioned before, the ultimate price you pay for this is your gradual transition towards homosexuality, which in reality is the manifestation of becoming the alchemical hermaphrodite. If you are already gay it is because you consumed mushrooms in your previous life. The grandfather of someone I used to be friends with was a 33rd degree Mason and they found dildos in the attic after he died. It is known that ritual passive sodomy is the most high secret of the summits of magic and mysticism. Embrace this now, you the curious!




Amen, I just got banned because I said that mushrooms make you fucking gay as elton john. Some mods are just a bit weird.

But yea if you take shrooms you are soon gay and theres nothing you can do about it!:dancingbear:





Well, after posting that strange visitors arrived at my door. Guys wearing red fez hats as well as the men in black. They told me that my life was spared because everyone would think I was kidding.  :pressure:  :crazyeyes:


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Re: young people and psys [Re: blckmynnse8]
    #19279836 - 12/15/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ive been smoking plenty of bud and doing tons of psychedelics and in heroic doses since i was 15, i feel like psychedelics have done nothing but good for me and definitely has helped me grow up. I think the biggest thing is how they've made me an even more empathetic person than i originally was. I used to be kind of a bully when i was younger and constantly got in trouble in school...it was a good day if i didnt get sent to the principal. But from the moment i started doing psyches it nearly stopped, i was almost unable to be as much of an asshole as i used to be because i was able to view things from others perspectives more often.

Marijuana helped somewhat but made me lazy when my tolerance got really high sometimes, fucked with my motivation and shit which i dont think is good at all for a young person. Psychedelics i almost wonder if are good for young people...my downfall though was dissociatives. They felt so right and without side effects that the addiction got me good, im sure mxe abuse hasnt helped me much at all (isnt bad much at all either though) but it did teach me some things.


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Re: young people and psys [Re: Jvells]
    #19281649 - 12/15/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I love posting this video and would love to find out how these kids turned out.



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Re: young people and psys [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19281671 - 12/15/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would have flipped out at 16 if i ever experienced then what i just did. But in the end it would restructure my ego completely in an incredibly beautiful way


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Re: young people and psys [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19281805 - 12/15/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I did mushrooms, mdma, and salvia my first time when i was 14.  And at 15-16 took a good amount of LSD, dxm, and 2c-compounds and the rc's they had then.  I slowly began to be able to grasp the trips, but the entire time i was having trouble with reality.  I started blowing it in school/not giving a fuck about stuff i normally prided or put effort in.  When your young you should just focus on living life and wait till your really ready for psychedelics.  When you've begun to understand the world and what not.  I have no regrets taking psychs that young though since the trips have all shaped me.


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Re: young people and psys [Re: Fuckspice]
    #19281838 - 12/15/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would not really say that it would be wise to try psychedelics when your young. You might just fuck up your life because your not ready...
with lsd the leary thing can easily happen, you might just drop out and dont give a shit

I certainly dont give a shit :awecluster: This is your last warning. :fasted:


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Re: young people and psys [Re: rikuni]
    #19281965 - 12/16/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah i still have problems i blame on taking drugs at such a young age.  MDMA made me so depressed when i was a kid i had a mental breakdown practically during the comedown.  I was too young to understand why it mattered that i was too young.  I could only process "frrrryyy balls" and "trippy visuals man".  Theres no point in taking it if you can't understand it fully, which is an immateur mind


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Re: young people and psys [Re: Fuckspice]
    #19282695 - 12/16/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I didnt take any psychedelics before 25 but anyways Im like: I dont give a shit!  because the game of society sucks and is boring as hell:fasted:

I rather take 10 strips, smoke joints and eat peyote :mindexpanding:
Thats a fun game! Needless to say that most "normal" people maybe dont like me. But guess what? :goodluckwiththat2:


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