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Active Gymnopilus identification help
    #19266122 - 12/12/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Location: NC, NW Peidmont 11 DEC 2013

Habitat: Wood- fallen pine, in the woods

Cap: Cortinarious, Convex, with viscid layer, more brown in younger ones, evolving to orange and yellow as they get older,sometimes light yellow spotting around edge of cap, possibly from veil remnants.  Dried caps have gold hue/shimmer- even smaller ones

Gills: Yellow, adnate or adnexed, bruise a darker, more brown color. Not all gills are attached to stipe, and are 3 to 4 different lengths

Spores: Brownish rusty orange

Stipe: Fibrillous, textured, fairly straight, yellow fading to green bases. Younger ones have a stipe that is wider than cap

Bruising: Green and brown

I was harvesting wood, for a sacred journey, with St Peter, on Friday night, when I stumbled upon these wonderful spectacles =D  I want to make sure that my identification as a Gynopilus species is correct, before I decide to harvest this find.  Thank you to whoever blesses me with more knowledge of this specimen!

A few of the pictures I took were just before sunset, the night prior, but the brighter pictures were taken under the morning sun.

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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: UncommonShaman] * 1
    #19266148 - 12/12/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Pholiota species


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: vjp]
    #19266341 - 12/12/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Pholiota species



What about the bluish green bruising? Also, this photo reminds me an awful lot of gymnopilus https://files.shroomery.org/files/13-50/688370686-DSC_0251.jpg. I see why you say Pholiota though, with the slimy cap appearance.


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19266447 - 12/12/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Pholiota species



What about the bluish green bruising?



I found some green bruising Pholiota this past fall...
At first I thought I found something special until I tasted it and it was kinda spicy and not bitter.
The viscid,sticky caps were a give-away from the ones I found also.


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
    #19266594 - 12/12/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Its not bruising blue.
Pholiota sp.


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: UncommonShaman] * 1
    #19267701 - 12/12/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Many Pholiota have olivaceous pigments when immature, or develop them when drying. This is a cool Pholiota for sure! The general gestalt and coloration suggests subgenus Flammuloides. The way the pileus is composed of a glutinous layer, a superficial fibrillose layer and then appearing vibrate beneath that suggests section Flammuloides of subgenus Flammuloides. A couple of the stirps within that section contain species with olivaceous tones, such as P. velaglutinosa and P. decorata. Is it bitter?


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: Gravija]
    #19268325 - 12/12/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have done no tasting yet, because I do not want to run into a problem, having eaten a poisonous species.


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: Gravija]
    #19268386 - 12/12/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

By the way, these were growing directly out of a fallen pine log. The information in which, from what I have gathered about the Pholiotas, does not hardly reflect the characteristics of my find.  Nor, does any of the color references match my specimen.  Nor do the caps match my specimen, for, they are not textured...  the photos are a dead match of color.  They were taken by a photographer, with a fantastic Nikon.  The colors range from yellow and orangish brown caps (brownish from spore drop), with yellow, to green stipes.


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: UncommonShaman]
    #19268444 - 12/12/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Gymnopilus species are very rarely viscid, if ever...
Also, they rarely present with veil remnants around the margin, like those do.

there are a ton of Pholiota species man...
if you aren't going to believe people who do this everyday of their life...why ask??

cool find, regardless...


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: vjp]
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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: UncommonShaman]
    #19268454 - 12/12/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I have done no tasting yet, because I do not want to run into a problem, having eaten a poisonous species.




Then don't eat it. take a bite, taste it, spit it out.

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By the way, these were growing directly out of a fallen pine log. The information in which, from what I have gathered about the Pholiotas, does not hardly reflect the characteristics of my find.  Nor, does any of the color references match my specimen.  Nor do the caps match my specimen, for, they are not textured...  the photos are a dead match of color.  They were taken by a photographer, with a fantastic Nikon.  The colors range from yellow and orangish brown caps (brownish from spore drop), with yellow, to green stipes.





You just described the most common habitat, color and pileal decoration for most of the genus Pholiota!


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: Gravija]
    #19268463 - 12/12/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i want one of those fancy Nikons that can change pholiotas into gyms!
and why haven't we been told about this before?

'bout how many Pholiotas have you ID'd for folks on here gravija?
couple million? or am i guessing low


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: UncommonShaman]
    #19268471 - 12/12/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You are suggesting that this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Pholiota.flammans2.-.lindsey.jpg

is this?: https://files.shroomery.org/files/13-50/688026930-DSC_0235.jpg







There are not very many Pholiota that look like that. Most of the Pholiota with scaly Pilei and stipes belong in one small section of the genus. There are, however, many species of Pholiota that resemble yours.


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i want one of those fancy Nikons that can change pholiotas into gyms!
and why haven't we been told about this before?

'bout how many Pholiotas have you ID'd for folks on here gravija?
couple million? or am i guessing low






I don't mind having my IDs (or vjp's in this case) questioned! Rather, I encourage it.


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: UncommonShaman]
    #19268484 - 12/12/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I apologize if I sound as if I am opposing the common response.  I just assume make sure that I ask ALL of the questions that I can, and include all of the information that I have gathered, so that I can make sure that I am not doing any potential harm.  I DO MY HOMEWORK THOROUGHLY when it comes to learning about such sensitive subjects.  I am trying to get a good feel for the mycology, and other fauna in my home area, for my own Sacred purposes. This is why I come here.  Thank you for all replies, for it takes a certain amount of love to even waste the time to do so.  For this I thank you all.  Any other suggestions are welcome

P.S. All of the Pholiotas that I can find pics of have spikes or spines...  If you want to challenge this, could you please send me a link to something describing the genus, with pictures resembling mine?

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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: UncommonShaman] * 1
    #19268497 - 12/12/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I apologize if I sound as if I am opposing the common response.  I just assume make sure that I ask ALL of the questions that I can, and include all of the information that I have gathered, so that I can make sure that I am not doing any potential harm.  I DO MY HOMEWORK THOROUGHLY when it comes to learning about such sensitive subjects.  I am trying to get a good feel for the mycology, and other fauna in my home area, for my own Sacred purposes. This is why I come here.  Thank you for all replies, for it takes a certain amount of love to even waste the time to do so.  For this I thank you all.  Any other suggestions are welcome

P.S. All of the Pholiotas that I can find pics of have spikes or spines...  If you want to challenge this, could you please send me a link to something describing the genus, with pictures resembling mine?

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http://quod.lib.umich.edu/f/fung1tc/AGJ9559.0001.001?view=toc


http://mushroomobserver.org/observer/observation_search?pattern=Pholiota+alnicola+%28Fr.%29+Singer

http://mushroomobserver.org/observer/observation_search?pattern=Pholiota+velaglutinosa+A.H.+Sm.+%26+Hesler

http://mushroomobserver.org/observer/observation_search?pattern=pholiota+spumosa


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: UncommonShaman]
    #19268541 - 12/12/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

don't mind me.  but do mind the TIs.
good luck on your search for knowledge

speaking of which,
nice link to the monograph, that will come in handy.


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19268574 - 12/12/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I guess I will take it to NC A&T and have it properly examined. I do not desire to be patronized for my thorough examination and questioning. None of these links have anything written in the Pholiota characteristics, about turning green at the base of the stipe, nor are there any pictures of Pholiotas with green, anywhere... still curious.

maynardjameskeenan are you available to inspect this find?


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: UncommonShaman]
    #19268603 - 12/12/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I guess I will take it to NC A&T and have it properly examined.




Cool!

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I do not desire to be patronized for my thorough examination and questioning.




No one is patronizing you and I think it's great that you are curious.

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None of these links have anything written in the Pholiota characteristics, about turning green at the base of the stipe, nor are there any pictures of Pholiotas with green, anywhere... still curious.




The first link I posted has 400 pages of Pholiota characteristics. Earlier in thread I even suggested which sections of the systematics you could look in for olivaceous species.


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: Gravija]
    #19268634 - 12/12/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

And if you want a photo documented example of a Pholiota turning green, here ya go-


Pholiota polychroa I shot this summer




Same mushroom, today



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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: Gravija]
    #19268684 - 12/12/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)




The first link I posted has 400 pages of Pholiota characteristics. Earlier in thread I even suggested which sections of the systematics you could look in for olivaceous species.




I looked at the ones that you suggested- Flammuloides, velaglutinosa, decorata, alnicola, as well as a myriad of others.  Nothing showing, or describing anything about green.  Blue+Yellow=Green...  They were green before I picked them.  They are still drying, and I am awaiting spore prints as well.

I skimmed through a lot of the monographs, as well as the MO, and still do not see what I believe to have... I am sorry, but I see few synonymous characteristics between them all.

That pic of the pholiota has different color, wet (unpicked), a very shiny, wet layer on the cap, veil remnants on stipe that seem to be red in color, and was not green at stipe... merely the cap turned a green after drying...  also, the spores seem to be chocolate brown on the gills of that mushroom. What this suggests, I do not know, other than, I have a pretty solid feeling that the genus I have is not that.


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: UncommonShaman]
    #19268787 - 12/13/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I looked at the ones that you suggested- Flammuloides, velaglutinosa, decorata, alnicola, as well as a myriad of others.




I never suggested a species level ID. I provided examples of similar species to demonstrate a similarity with the species in subgenus Flammuloides.

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Nothing showing, or describing anything about green. 





At this point I am wondering if you are just trolling.

P. decorata p.256

Stipe... silky, green-yellow

P. velaglutinosa p. 253

Stipe... silky green yellow

There are plenty of species of Pholiota that feature olive pigments.

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Blue+Yellow=Green...





Ya don't say?


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Spores: Brownish rusty orange





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I am awaiting spore prints.






Well, that just doesn't add up.


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I have a pretty solid feeling that the genus I have is not that.




Ok. Are you sure you aren't experiencing confirmation bias?


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: Gravija]
    #19268820 - 12/13/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No confirmation bias.  I am looking hard at everything i can find.  I am not disputing you because I believe you are wrong, i am only skeptical because the closest thing i have seen yet are Gymns.  I am awaiting the spore print on white printer paper, because the first assessment of spore color was made based on what I could see in the gills, on caps, and the small amount that deposited on cardboard overnight.  The prints of two mushrooms were not visible, potentially because they havent dropped spores yet, or are not visible on white paper (which I assume means white spores, and is not what I am interested in getting sick over).


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: UncommonShaman]
    #19268841 - 12/13/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sometimes it helps the printing process if you put a small drop of water on the Pileus and cover the mushroom with a glass. Post the print tomorrow! Even if they are Pholiota, you should keep the dried material. The species you have found is interesting, and the pics are nice. It's always nice to have nice pics of a rare find identified to species and confirmed with microscopy.


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: Gravija]
    #19268947 - 12/13/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The alnicola is the closest match yet...  I shall post the spore prints tomorrow.  I am doing two different ones again, with several caps. I am slightly worried that the cold will ruin my find... its frosted over outside, and the ones I picked are outside awaiting the morning sun for further drying.  Will the cold ruin my material? Are Pholiotas edible?  Are any of them deadly?  Are the gallerina the only similar inedible look-alikes, as compared to pholiotas?


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    #19268951 - 12/13/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

what kind is that one?


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: UncommonShaman]
    #19269009 - 12/13/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

www.mushroomobserver.org/106882

your observation looks like something near Pholiota alnicola.

http://www.mushroomexpert.com/pholiota_alnicola.html


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    #19269283 - 12/13/13 03:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19269291 - 12/13/13 03:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Are they food?  Can you eat them?  I know they wont be active, but I dont want to throw them away if they are a source of anything good for the body (antioxidants, vitamins, minerals, antibiotics n such) ...


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Re: Active Gymnopilus identification help [Re: UncommonShaman]
    #19269298 - 12/13/13 03:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

no...they are most likely toxic.
do not eat them.


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    #19269442 - 12/13/13 05:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just another example of Pholiota trying to act like a Gym.


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    #19281704 - 12/15/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Glad to know all of these things.  Thank you all for sharing your knowledge with me!


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